Are Pump Actions OT?

[L_Kilkenny]

I'm thinkin they are kinda the redheaded step child of the lever gun.

Did they ever produce this gun?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/17399

I only found very scant info on the net. It may be a Taurus but I'm hoping they did/do!

LK

[J Miller]

Are Pump Actions OT?

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I'm thinkin they are kinda the redheaded step child of the lever gun.

Did they ever produce this gun?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/17399

I only found very scant info on the net. It may be a Taurus but I'm hoping they did/do!

LK

LK,
I have seen pictures of the Taurus lever guns, and "I think" at least one Leverguns member has one. But I won't swear to it.

From the top of the page:

Forum rules

Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.

As far as redheads go many of us here like them, and we don't have nuthing against step kids either. I mean really, I got three of 'em.

Joe

[Hobie]

The Taurus lever-action version of the Model 62 was indeed produced but in .22 LR only. No .32 H&R version. I'm pretty certain it was made in both blue and stainless.

Interestingly, Winchester played with the idea of just such a gun, even to the .32 caliber, but didn't see it as likely being profitable.

[L_Kilkenny]

Yes, the M62 is still available but the M32 is listed but I've never even heard of one let alone seen one. That's the one I want, go figure!

LK

[Buck Elliott]

Envision a M-62 with a lever plumbed into the innards, and you'll kinda get the picture. I've seen several and handled them, and came away "underwhelmed" if I may say so. If Winchester made a few prototypes, I'm sure they were better-made than the Taurus offerings.

[Old Savage]

Pump actions are OT.

[Old Ironsights]

Honestly, I don't see why they would be.

Both are (usually) tube fed, eat the same types of ammo, etc.

Pumps are just less common.

My Uncle has promised me his Savage .30-30 pump... a nice tube fed gun. I would like to get my hands on a Remington 760/7600 ... a mag-fed spitzer gun not too far different than a Savage 99.

Would I rather have a 99? Yep. But I wouldn't blink twice at a 760 in .308 either.

[L_Kilkenny]

A friend of mine hunted coyotes with a 760 pump in .243 for years. It was very touchy with reloads even using small base dies (much the same as my 742 Woodsmaster Semi I had). It also has very similar ergos to the Rem 870 and had a stroke just as long. Not the greatest handling rifle and wasn't much different in feel to my M870 slug gun. If you like hunting with a 870 slug gun you may very well like the 760. I'll take about any lever gun over a 870 though. Overall, he is much happier with his bolt actions now.

The smaller rimfire pumps are a completely different animal. Small, light, slim. Everything the M760's aren't. In some ways, the Winchester/Rossi/Taurus rimfire pumps are too small. Did I say that and is that even possible?

In many ways, I think a pump is a much more natural action for the "average" shooter. At least in longer action guns. Now again, this doesn't apply to slicked up guns and practiced shooters. Only to average Joe shooting average guns.

LK

[Old Ironsights]

A friend of mine hunted coyotes with a 760 pump in .243 for years. It was very touchy with reloads even using small base dies (much the same as my 742 Woodsmaster Semi I had). It also has very similar ergos to the Rem 870 and had a stroke just as long. Not the greatest handling rifle and wasn't much different in feel to my M870 slug gun. If you like hunting with a 870 slug gun you may very well like the 760. I'll take about any lever gun over a 870 though. Overall, he is much happier with his bolt actions now.
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Oh, I don't disagree at all... I just have some really evil mods (think of all that tacticool stuff for the 870) in mind...

[Lefty Dude]

The Remington model 14, (first produced in 1912) & 114,(1936) are very nice pump action rifles, both a carbine 20" and Rifle 24" were made. Factory chamberings were; 25 Rem, 30 Rem, 32 Rem, & 35 Rem
The model 14 1/2 was a carbine/only made in the early teens, and was chambered in 44-40 & 38-40.

I own a Model 141 in 30 Remington, first year production 1936 is the S/N date code. The barrel is letter coded with a 1920 production, a Model 14. Remington used parts for the model 14's in the first runs of the new up-dated model 114.
I have several boxes of factory 30 Remington cartridges. No factory shells are available for this caliber.
I load and shoot lead and because the 30 Remington is a rim-less 30-30 so-to-speak, the loading are the same.
If you like Levers, the Remington Pumps come along for the ride.

[Shasta]

Guess I'm a bit confused. The link provided refers to a Taurus pump and a lever. I do know that the Taurus Model 62 lever is/was produced. There are at least three entries concerning the Taurus 62LA in the one-sticky link at the top of page 1 of this forum.

SHASTA

[L_Kilkenny]

Guess I'm a bit confused. The link provided refers to a Taurus pump and a lever. I do know that the Taurus Model 62 lever is/was produced. There are at least three entries concerning the Taurus 62LA in the one-sticky link at the top of page 1 of this forum.

SHASTA

I didn't see where the Bud's link had listed the M32C as both a lever and pump (in 2 different spots). From my research and looking at where it was listed at Buds (it was listed with the Taurus pumps) my assumption was that the M32 is a pump the same size as the old Winchesters. Thus my reference to pumps in the lead.

LK

[L_Kilkenny]

Diging farther it looks like the The M32 is a lever not a pump. My bad.

LK

[Rusty]

I'm not sure if they ever made that pump. I'm guessing that what you're attracted to is the .32 part. I'd say the closest thing you could get to that would have been the offering by IMI that was being made a few years ago called the Timberwolf IIRC. It was a pump action .357 mag. but it never did seem to catch on.

I have a Henry .22 mag pump that I've only had a chance to shoot once since I bought it. Function is fine and I was surprised by the low level of muzzle report.

[L_Kilkenny]

I'm not sure if they ever made that pump. I'm guessing that what you're attracted to is the .32 part.

Ya got that right. To my knowledge the only .32M repeater (rifle) was the Marlin lever gun. While I like those, for the cost I'd have to go .357 first just for possible use on deer. I was not only attracted to the .32M but also to the cost. At a listed $260 (bud's price) it was much lower than the $650 tag of the Marlin. I can justify $260 on a souped up small game/Varmint gun at this time but with a wife and 3 daughters at home the Marlin .32M is outta my league.

As for the Timberwolf I had seen one of those a year or 2 ago. Pricey as heck (+$700 IIRC) and it looks like a weird mix of parts left over from a levergun and a Rem 742 pump. Ugly as sin.

Saw one of the Henry .22M's at a gun show a year ago for $350. Really liked the looks (A LOT!!) but couldn't pull the trigger. You make that gun a .32M and it would be in my locker (or truck) as we speak. I have heard that they may have some feed problems but you always hear stuff like that (most of it not true) about a budget gun maker like Henry.

LK

[nemhed]

Taurus is apparently still making their Thunderbolt, although sometimes it's a little hard to tell what their current models are from their website. These are available in 357mag. I was surprised to see no .22 pump. I thought maybe the 327 Mag idea might take off and someone would offer a levergun (or pump) in that. I'm a huge fan of the 357 mag out of a carbine and a revolver so I don't picture myself picking up anything in 327 mag.

[Old Savage]

OI - doesn't say Tubefedguns.com. Some don't even think a Sharps qualifies or Ruger #1. Others want it to mean a lever and a tube.

[Pete44ru]

[Are Pump Actions OT?]

Yep........................ Like my Marlin.









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[L_Kilkenny]

OI - doesn't say Tubefedguns.com. Some don't even think a Sharps qualifies or Ruger #1. Others want it to mean a lever and a tube.

Old Grouch!

LK

[Modoc ED]

Honestly, I don't see why they would be.

It's Leverguns.com not Pumpguns.com

That said, there's still no reason pump guns can't be the topic of discussion here. Afterall, Forum rules states:

Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.

Please post political post in the new Politics forum.

[Modoc ED]

Someone above said how similar the Remington 7600 and Remington 870 are. They are so similar that the trigger groups from each interchange with each other. I've tried it just to satisfy my curiosity. I took the trigger group out of my 7600 and installed it in one of my 870s and the 870 worked without a hitch. Same in reverse -- 870 trigger group to 7600. Once again, worked without a hitch.

The Remington 760s and 7600s make good hog rifles.

[Old Savage]

LK - some wouldn't argue with you on that.

[2520WHV]

The Remington model 14, (first produced in 1912) & 114,(1936) are very nice pump action rifles, both a carbine 20" and Rifle 24" were made. Factory chamberings were; 25 Rem, 30 Rem, 32 Rem, & 35 Rem
The model 14 1/2 was a carbine/only made in the early teens, and was chambered in 44-40 & 38-40.

I own a Model 141 in 30 Remington, first year production 1936 is the S/N date code. The barrel is letter coded with a 1920 production, a Model 14. Remington used parts for the model 14's in the first runs of the new up-dated model 114.
I have several boxes of factory 30 Remington cartridges. No factory shells are available for this caliber.
I load and shoot lead and because the 30 Remington is a rim-less 30-30 so-to-speak, the loading are the same.
If you like Levers, the Remington Pumps come along for the ride.

I have wanted a Remington Model 25 pump in .25-20 or .32-20 for years! So I hope the classic tube mag pumps might be allowed mention at least....

[gak]

Regarding the Taurus .32 H&R "catalog" item, not unless Taurus has resurrected it ("it" was a cataloged but never produced tube fed lever in short (the OP's referenced 16") and long(er) rifle configurations), in which case it'd now likely be a .327 anyway. Taurus teased with the .32 H&R for a full year--then, according to Taurus at the time after several inquiries (two years ago)--they decided against actual production. Here's hoping they've reconsidered, either in lever or pump, in H&R and/or .327. That was quite a cruel tease on the H&R by Taurus for an extended period of time!

[Charles]

Pumpguns are always a valid topic for discussion, if they are made by Remington.

[Old Ironsights]

There's OT then there's "off topic" - and Pump Rifles are far less "off topic" than many of our OT threads. They are still mechanically operated, (mostly) tube fed guns from Old-time companies (like Savage, Marlin & Remington) &/or with designs hailing back to a much friendlier era (Taurus Lightning).

So, not really that much off topic in spirit, if not in mechanics.

[L_Kilkenny]

That was quite a cruel tease on the H&R by Taurus for an extended period of time!

100% agreed. When I saw it listed at Bud's I was amazed I had never heard of it before (even more so because of the price). If they do start a .327, in either configeration, I'll be one of the first in line to buy.

As for Pump vs Lever........

So, not really that much off topic in spirit, if not in mechanics.

110% agreed. How can anyone dislike either!!!

ED, very interesting on the 7600/870 trigger. Thanks for the info. Knew they were close but not that close. Now I wonder about the older 760's and 742's?

LK

[firefuzz]

I know I'm about to get stoned but....it would be a toss up between levers and pumps as to my favorite. My Uberti/Beretta Gold Rush is a clone of the Colt Lightning and I love it. My favorite deer rifle is a 760 Remington in .30-06 and I guess I just got lucky because mine will shoot with most bolt actions. As far as shotguns go, my 870's killed a lot of birds and seen me thru a lot of hairy situations when I was a street cop. So...yea I like pumps too.

BTW stocks for the 760 and 870 20ga are also interchangeable.

Rob

[Sixgun]

Pump actions are OT but...........they are still very cool.---------------Sixgun

[L_Kilkenny]

Pump actions are OT but...........they are still very cool.---------------Sixgun

Those are cool as hell but how do ya mount a scope on em?

LK

[Bogie35]

I've always wanted a Colt Lightning carbine in either 357, 44 Special, or 45 Colt. I can't imagine a better self-defense rifle.

bogie