MOVIES - Enemy at the Gates

Post by **Hobie** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:30 pm

We're playing Enemy at the Gates in the shop today. Still no leverguns as we work through the assorted movies in our selection at the shop.

TexasTrigger · Post by **TexasTrigger** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:52 pm

Great movie. Incredible battle scenes. Particularly of the river crossing into the city.
Can you imagine one rifle for every two soldiers?!

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:06 pm

Another one down for it being a pretty darned good war movie...I'm not one for special effects.. especially for the sake of special effects just cause they can do them to show them off, but when the story enhancing special effects Ju 87s come thru, bombs dropping, sirens screaming...Well, I got shivers, and made me wanna get real small!
You just about gotta agree any old Russian, is a tough one!

wecsoger · Post by **wecsoger** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:54 pm

Good movie, good effects, not too hard to watch when you get past the point that it is very loosely based (well, the writer had a friend who knew a guy he met once who quickly read the original book) upon a true story.

What really sours it for me is the marketing people put a gratuitous sex scene in there just to magnify the 'love interest' and to marginally draw in the teenage audience. Bad, lazy writing, that. If it wound up on the edited room floor, it would not have changed the look/feel of the movie one bit.

I'm no prude, but I've no respect for the marketing and product placement prostitutes. (that last, substituted for another word.)

And yeah. Here's a couple of rounds, sorry you're the odd man out, just watch your buddies on either side for your chance to arm up.

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:13 pm

wecsoger wrote:Good movie, good effects, not too hard to watch when you get past the point that it is very loosely based (well, the writer had a friend who knew a guy he met once who quickly read the original book) upon a true story.

What really sours it for me is the marketing people put a gratuitous sex scene in there just to magnify the 'love interest' and to marginally draw in the teenage audience. Bad, lazy writing, that. If it wound up on the edited room floor, it would not have changed the look/feel of the movie one bit.

I'm no prude, but I've no respect for the marketing and product placement prostitutes. (that last, substituted for another word.)

And yeah. Here's a couple of rounds, sorry you're the odd man out, just watch your buddies on either side for your chance to arm up.

The movie was well done, although it missed in accuracy, per Wecsoger's comments.

Great review - of the movie and of the current generation's Hollywood, by the way - Wecsoger! I couldn't agree more.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:06 pm

I liked it and just read the story of the battle for the city.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:14 pm

Excellent movie.

A very good friend of mine was one of the technical advisors. He knows more about Russian/ Soviet hardware than anyone I've
ever known.

As far as what has been stated as "over the top" love sceens. I don't see the big deal.

One of my favorites.

jb

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:37 pm

Excellent movie! Even better if you like Mosin-Nagant's!

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:47 pm

I really liked it. It's been a few years since we saw it, I may just have to go rent it.

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:56 pm

The technical advice was fine, as far as I discerned. The advisor(s) appeared to do a good job with the genre, sniping technique, apparent military protocol and so on. But, let's face it - the facts and events in the movie were, in true Hollywood fashion, largely manufactured.

The story line was usually engaging, suspenseful and fascinating. But (as noted above) one should rarely take Hollywood's version of a true historical event or series of events very seriously.

For instance, Fred Harvey (http://www.historyplace.com) says correctly in his review of the film:
"So how much of this sniper stuff is fact and how much is fiction? Well, the film makers themselves admit they don't know for sure. There absolutely was a Soviet sniper named Vassili and he was very active during the Battle of Stalingrad. But his reputation was also greatly embellished by the Soviets for their own propaganda purposes. It is not known for example if there ever was a German super-sniper sent to get him, since there was no record of it found in Germany. The film makers have thus embellished upon the embellishment to come up with their script. So, what you have is a work of fiction based on a real character, about whom not much is really known."

Anyway, you got a good feel for those poor miserable Russian peasants who were thrown into the breech without adequate training, equipment, or even leadership.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:31 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:Excellent movie! Even better if you like Mosin-Nagant's!

But - did you watch it with your Mosin-Nagant...?

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:40 pm

Read War of the Rats.

Same thing, better told.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:42 pm

It is not known for example if there ever was a German super-sniper sent to get him, since there was no record of it found in Germany.

They prolly got the idea from the book about Carlos Hathcock

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:50 pm

IIRC Some of the most effective snipers in the battle were women.

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:11 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Ysabel Kid wrote:Excellent movie! Even better if you like Mosin-Nagant's!
But - did you watch it with your Mosin-Nagant...?

YES!

44magHunter · Post by **44magHunter** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:23 pm

....Great movie.

Makes me want to get a 'Nagant, real bad!

oldboot · Post by **oldboot** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:43 am

I love the movie. Yes Hollywood did make up some of the stuff, but it is still a good movie. Yes, I do watch it with my 1942 Mosin-Nagant.

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:03 am

excellent movie.
pete

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:43 pm

Pete, that looks more like a ZF-4?

Stan in SC · Post by **Stan in SC** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:59 pm

JimT.good picture,pretty lady BUT the rifle in the picture is NOT a 91-38.It is a 91.The 91-38 was a short carbine made by cutting down a long model 91.

Stan in SC

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:03 pm

Great movie, but almost entirely fiction. The main character, Vasili Zeitsev, was indeed a sniper in the battle for Moscow, among others, but historians differ greatly as to his effectiveness. It is also thought by many that his becoming a national hero was a made-up affair for propaganda purposes. The truth will never be known. Here is a good article, Wikepedia to be adminstered with a grain of salt of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Zaytsev

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:10 pm

Here's a little accompanyment for you while cuddling your Nagant, this is the most stirring version, Red Army Choir with English translation. Turn up your volumn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLi_m656tQQ

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:19 pm

I am thinking thats a finn.note the front sight and it looks like a round reciever oh and the girl does look pretty good also

pete

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:26 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKO3IJ4c ... L&index=10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0DJGid ... re=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

my FINN M28 (1928 sig)

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:34 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Ysabel Kid wrote:Excellent movie! Even better if you like Mosin-Nagant's!
But - did you watch it with your Mosin-Nagant...?

I know I do.

LeverBob · Post by **LeverBob** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:27 am

Yes I did...cradled my M44 ser. no. 117x. Know the history & yet I still enjoyed the movie.

LB

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:19 pm

MrMurphy wrote:Read War of the Rats.

Same thing, better told.

Thanks for confirming I haven't totally lost my mind. I read it before EatG came out and when people started talking about the movie I was sure it was the same thing. Never saw the movie though (dunno why, just never have

)

ab4ka · Post by **ab4ka** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:25 pm

I liked the movie (I've got it on DVD, would have loved to have seen it in the theater). I really enjoyed reading "War of the Rats" as well. Reading this makes me want to get another Mosin-Nagant...I used to collect them but then switched to Mausers (then eventually they all went away). You can't beat a $79 rifle with a spam can of ammo for a good time

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