OT: Too much pain, too many tears.

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Re: OT: Too much pain, too many tears.

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Hey Joe,

You know my situation is like yours as well. My whole family is in Arizona/California and I'm a bit of a misfit living in the North East, looking to move back to family, all the while taking care of an Autistic son these past 10 years and two younger sibs. Over last 10 years, I was really getting depressed and stressed out at being alone while I watch my family members drop one by one. I am a nervous eater as well and eat when I get stressed. Everything got very out of control. At one point I was having chest pain, heart palpitations and racing pulse. I started to get pains all the time in my body. My cholesterol and weight went through the roof. Basically, I was killing myself with stress.

Little things help and can be thought of as preperation for your coming move/job.

Tell yourself that anyday that your upright and functioning is a good day.
Any day that your family is doing likewise is a good day.

Excercise! Walk a little every day around the block or a preferred nature trail. Work up to doing it every day and challenge yourself to step up the pace SLOWLY. Turn it into a power walk and use it as time to be with your wife and talk to her. Go over a verse of scripture as you walk. My favorite is the 23rd Psalm, the Lords prayer or any one that has hit you hard that week. Think about how the Lord loves you and has you in His hands. There is nothing that the world can do to us to take that away. It's all that will be left in the end. Take one or two days a week off from the exercise and you can even pig out one time a week on your favorite food. :P

You'll start to handle the stress differently Joe. You'll think clearer and you'll be better able to make critical decisions. It doesn't happen overnight...you have to be committed to it everyday like you do other everyday tasks. A few months in and you will be feeling better physically and psychologically. Stress kills!

It's never too late and Mescalero and me will give you a hard time checking up on you. :wink: Look at it as the first step in the move process. Apply for jobs and see if a door does not open financially. An employer may be able to help you, and heck if you get the job some of these miscreant levergunners can send you a little too to help out a bit as well or can help with temporary lodging/food. Knowing Joe Reikers and using him as a reference may help, who knows!

Take care and keep us posted! You ain't going to get off that easy....hehehehe.
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You don't have enough money to move, but it sounds like you don't really have enough money to stay put, either, so either way you'll be broke. Maybe beyond broke, financially; but you are likely to be happier, and that's worth more than any bank account can ever get you.
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I bet ol Chris cusses the day he answered one of my posts :lol:
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Joe, your stuff is just stuff...... I started over, in 1996, with my 5th grade daughter, on my own, with a 700 a month Army pension and a 8.00 and hour job.I didn't have two nickles to rub together, but kept it together and still managed to put money in the bank...You and your wife can do that. I worked hard and tripled my pay over the last ten years...... You guys get out of there, live way down and cheap for awhile and you can do it on a couple McJobs until something better comes along..... As far as that goes, get into rural, backwoods Illinois...... Living in a hellhole city will kill you. I know.
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Been busted flat, sold everything except a few heirlooms and moved. Been thru a divorce sold off everything but a little piece of land, and built back up.
Here's the deal you don't have to move a 1000 miles, you can put a tank of gas in a vehicle drive off a quarter of it, look around where you're at and see what you can get there.
We can only wish you well, you've been talking about leaving there for 7 years I know of, its time to do it....
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Well said!
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mescalero1 wrote:Joe,
Get your trusty map out, from Albuquerque go east on I 40 .730 thou. ( on my Eatalon calipers ), find N.M state road 14 ( this is the old road ) between Alb. & Santa Fe.
A little bit more than halfway to Santa Fe you will find the town of Madrid,N.M.
This is a cool little town that was dying but brought back to life by small entrepenuers.
This would put you in the country ( but between two major cities )
Elaine could commute to either one for work.
With your health problems, I suggest you do leather work, slings, holsters, butt cuffs, shell saddles, etc. This would enable you to work from home. I will even contribute a Singer Industrial sewing machine to the endeavor.
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+1 Lots of wonderful little places like Madrid in New Mexico. Come on down, be glad to show you around.

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but nobody ever goes that last little bit and tells me how we can come up a minimum of 5K dollars. Renting a truck with a car trailer is by itself around $1500.00+ depending on the season.

So, please answer me that question.
Well, I'm gonna go that last little bit and tell you how to come up with some money.

Sell some stuff.

I'm doing this now, in preparation for a move, because I'm in a struggle with my boss. I probably won't have to quit, but if I decide to, I've got the jump on it. Anyway, I went through the house and brought out a few things I didn't need. A couple old projects I won't have time for, extra music books, etc. I've sold $1500.00 worth of stuff so far this year, and I won't miss any of it.

If I decided to make some sacrifices, I could get ten times that. Right now, I'm all over Ebay. Pretty soon I intend to get all over Gunbroker as well.

Look, you keep asking for advice, but then you don't want to do anything about it. Where's that pioneer spirit?

I have some advice about getting started. Acquire some boxes, buy them at U-haul, or ask at the liquor store. Start packing, and dividing up your stuff into "must have" and expendable. With your stuff in boxes, you will see how little of it you really need. And, mentally you'll be out of there, and that's the part you need.

I took about 2 years preparing for my move to California. For the last year, almost all my stuff was in storage, and I was living in a cheap boardinghouse with a bunch of ex-cons. It was cheap, that was the idea. When I reached my savings goal, I left, and had no lease problems.

Another thing you can do is go on ahead alone while your wife stays behind. Stay at the Y or some other hellhole. When you get a job, send for her and your stuff. Shouldn't take $5k.
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Joe,
Let me give you some perspective as to what is really "bad". I have a friend that has 8 kids.(ages 2-17)well he got some bad news and guess what? He got layed off! cant retire and his wife has some phyical problems etc.He had a nice big house with a BIG mortgage.With the housing market way down he stands to LOSE the 60K he already has invested and let the bank take it or keep trying to sell it and lose it anyway with the 60K. He cant just put some things in a trailor and go.He has all these loose ends with his 8 kids(6 enrolled in school etc) he is planning to make the move to SC in 3 months one way or another(and send for his wife/kids next June) with him trying to get back here once a month.I am trying to help him out some and asked him how come your so calm.He looked at me and calmly said "when you are not calm you make stupid decisions also if I stay here(no jobs in his profession) that is a stupid decision,If I end up falling on my face it will be at a place worth falling on my face" Bottom line,imagine for one instant you had not only you and your wife(but 8 children looking at you with their lives in your hands? Make that move/if its the wrong move so be it.(least you gave it the shot) Now as bad as that is,imagine having a bad tragic event where say somthing much worse happened to this guy/family instead of just getting laid off.Its all really "how bad is it Joe"

I can assure you there are also some people on here that have it as bad or WORSE, but they will just grab the bull by the horns and go for it.We all on here cant be wrong!
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Joe,

It is no secret that I don't like cats. Even so, you have my sincerest condolences.

I agree with other guys that taking a geographic cure is not a bad idea. As a matter of fact, the house next door to me is up for sale. I don't know the exact price, but I'm pretty sure it is under $50,000.00. I can't afford to send money, currently living on charity myself, but I'd be happy to help unload your furniture if you move next door.

This area is not the most prosperous in the world, nor is it the most beautiful. But there is plenty of good hunting and fishing. My CCW Permit cost me $20.00 and took less than 20 minutes to obtain. We are near two moderately large cities (Montgomery 69 miles & Mobile +/- 150 miles) and near thre large towns/small cities (Troy -30 miles, Enterprise-35 miles, & Dothan - 70 miles) We are not much more than 100 miles from the Gulf Coast and maybe four hours from the mountains. Lots of top notch medical care available near by, including an outstanding ophthalmologist, a Veterans' Hospital, and a large military base (Ft. Rucker). It gets hotter than the hinges of Hades with high humidity during the Summer, but it very rarely snows, sleets and ice storms are ultra rare. Also within an 80 mile radius, there are three full-fledged universities, two or three colleges, and half a dozen community colleges and technical schools. Best of all, almost everyone in the area speaks English.

IMO, there is a special place in Hell for people who torture, abuse, and needlessly kill pets.

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Joe, You would love a town called Litchfield,Pa ------Contact Tioga Downs Casino/Racetrack http://www.tiogadowns.com/careers.htm For a job. You would love this place.The casino is in Nichols,NY right on Interstate 86.(5 min drive from Litchfield,Pa) That town is awesome too.(like Mayberry RFD)also a new huge CVS shipping center is going to be built about 10 miles from Litchfield,expected tp employee this spring 600-1000 people.A brand nre Super walmart Center expected to be completed by end of 2010 should employ over I think 1000 you have The Guthrie(Robert Packer) Hospital(On Top Ten in US)http://www.guthrie.org/AboutGuthrie/Opp ... mployment/
Many other Corps to find worK.
Nichols has a population of I think 573 people)Litchfield is aprox 1300
http://www.joycetice.com/towns/litchcem.htm
Dude you would love this place the animals out number the people and your cats can run free. Just a few of the places to work within a easy drive.GE Railcar/Tioga Downs/Lockheed Martin/IBM/Westinghouse/Ingersol Rand/Guthrie hosptial/Wilson Hospital/Saint Joesphs Hospital/Lourds Hospital/Towanda Memorial Hospital/Arnot Ogden Medical center/Corning Glass/Dupont/Osram Sylvania/Elmira College/Binghamton University/Broome Community College/Corning Community college/about 20 various surrounding High Schools/State Jobs/Elmira Correctional Facility/Hancor/Elmira airport/Broome County airport and many many more.

http://realestate.yahoo.com/Pennsylvani ... j5bt9n47Qs
$22,900 for sale! Check it out?? Yearly taxes about $500@year(only needs a septic system)One of my best friends installs new septic systems----Cheap price for you pal! Yoy could probably get it for $17,500 and $5000 for the System=$22,500
Lets see obama giving 8K on purchase of house====$14,500 for easy heating house(payments like $100@month????????

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Apartment managers get free rent and a little salary.....You'd need a small town place, though.

400 pages of Apartment Manager Jobs.....Monster.com is awesome....

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Joe,

I understand. Lost my grandad, had to put down my horse, lost some pups.... Life really sucked for a while. When my dog bit my kid, I simply couldn't put him down. The stench of death was getting to be too much for me.
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Oh,also you are about 40 mins from Watkins Glenn race track and the falls(on top ten Yahoo travel wonder listng )
http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/info.asp?parkID=105
Here is the local newspaper link of Litchfield/Athens ,Pa
http://www.morning-times.com/articles/2 ... 307784.txt
You guys would love it(30 mile drive along the Seneca Lake with all the wine vineyards.Just spectacular.
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mescalero1 wrote:I bet ol Chris cusses the day he answered one of my posts :lol:
You're a welcome man at my fire anytime Mescalero......just as soon as I can escape the Suburbs that is!
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As soon as you do, and you are going to see the family in Az. you better make a rest stop in N.M.
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mescalero1 wrote:As soon as you do, and you are going to see the family in Az. you better make a rest stop in N.M.
Will do and thanks for the invite!!!!!! :mrgreen:
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I have two beachfront condos in Rockport, TX. They are 1BR, 1BA LR, KIT, DR. Laundry room and pool. A quick drive through the two main streets in town revealed 27 Help Wanted signs. I can put you in one for $600 a month, less than the market value by far. I'll pay the first $50 towards electric each month too. You can store your stuff nearby for free or very little cost until you sort it out and decide what to do. Good lighted parking. The bay and shrimp boats are your view and the seagulls are your wake-up call in the mornings. The excuses are getting pretty slim.....
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And I will throw in a hundred bucks for gas.
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mescalero1 wrote:And I will throw in a hundred bucks for gas.
And another $100 to get you all the way there!

Just do it man! The help is there. Whatever you can't take along you can live without!


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You fellars are quite awesome! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Naw,
just regular guys.
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Joe, you got guns? Got reloading equipment? Sell them. They are only material things - nothing when compared to your peace of mind and physical well-being! They bring good money and they can be replaced, except for an heirloom. I've gone through several collections to cover expenses during tough times, raise kids, pay medical bills, help a couple of the kids buy houses, and so on. I'm down to a Marlin 30-30, a Henry .22, a Ruger Mk II, and my carry gun now, and I'm happy with that. Got some pictures and lots of good memories of all the other stuff. What more can you ask for?
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....not to mention, nobody here is about to let you go around "naked". If you sold all your guns, you'd probably be turning down the loan of extras we all have for lack of space.
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Now that is true, he could hold some of mine for a while.
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I'll donate a 70's Win 94 with the spotty, skinned receiver with a Weaver side-mount on the left side and a Williams 5D on the right. Both sights can be used without removing one or the other. It's got two barrels, both Trapper length, one in 32 WS and one in 30 WCF. You have to remove both barrel bands to unscrew the barrel to swap it with the other, but they are hand tight and shoot well. The dovetail on one of the barrels is a teeny bit off to one side. I'll include 49-50 new Winchester 32 WS brass ( gotta find #50), 32 dies, 30-30 dies, 100+ 30-30 brass, 50 Hornady Lever-evolution 32 bullets. I've never had the time to work on loads for this gun. The Trigger and action are awesome. I'll get pics up tomorrow if I can.

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Start packin. Yer goin to Texas. Yee ******* haaaa. Where you go from there is up to you.
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mescalero1 wrote:Now that is true, he could hold some of mine for a while.
My safe is kinda full too.
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Well, if the gun sells you are at $525.00
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OK GUYS ENOUGH! THIS THREAD MUST STOP. I DID NOT START THIS THREAD ASKING FOR MOVING ADVISE OR CHASTISEMENT OF MY WAYS. ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS VENT A BIT AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHY I'VE BEEN A GRUMP LATELY.

SELLING MY GUNS IS NOT AN OPTION. I WILL NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT.

I HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL OFFERS OF FINANCIAL HELP AND OF COURSE THE OFFERS FROM SEVERAL OF YOU HERE ON THE FORUM.
THANK YOU, BUT WE CANNOT ACCEPT. THE ONE THING I WILL NOT DO IS PUT US DEEPER IN DEBT TO FRIENDS. GOOD WAY TO LOOSE THEM.
IDEAS I WILL ENTERTAIN WHEN WE CAN.

UNTIL THEN PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE.

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Joe,

Since I figure you are still reading the posts on this thread I'll throw one more chit in the kitty. There is talk here of sellin your guns to fund your new start in a new place. This is probably a pretty hard pill for you to think about swallowing. I'll try to make it a bit easier on you. If you take Joe up on his offer of the condo, Tycer on his offer of the gun sale funds and the other offers of cash that I see coming in here and commit to making the life change that you and yours need right now, I'll make you a deal on your Black Hawk and your Winchester.

Here is the deal, I'll send you $1000.00 for the guns, you ship them to my FFL. I'll put the guns in my safe and there they will sit unfired until you can afford to buy them back from me. I don't have any need for them nor do I desire to shoot them. Not that they aren't fine pieces but I have many of my own and in my mind these would still be yours. It would be kind of like a Pawn deal where they are waiting for you when you can afford to come back and get them. This would keep you from sending them down the road and never seeing them again.

I know you don't know me from Adam but I figure that I'm somewhat less than a total stranger here and those that I have had dealings with on the forum I figure will say that they were never treated bad by me.


You think it over and PM me with questions and such if you want.


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There's a house down the road from us I think is 'condemned' because mud slid down the hill and bashed in the back room, but the room was an attachment that wasn't part of the main structure (originally it was a patio/deck they just covered). Vacant for the past year. I don't know if it could be bought cheap from the owner or not. Just a thought if you're looking for a place. North side of a steep hill though so not the greatest gardening site. Lots of deer & turkeys though. 3 acres.
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I am in for $100 as well. 3T That is a wonderful, kind offer.
May God bless you and Joe.

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Re: OT: Too much pain, too many tears.

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HEY JOE.

Receiving gifts is hard. Please learn to deal with it. Many of us have had to do it.

It give us pleasure to be able to help a worthy brother. It is our purpose in this life. It makes us better people.

You enrich our lives by being a part of this forum and our family.

I know you and your bride will live a happier better life away from the place you are in.

I know you will take what we give and grow it into something more.

You ARE a worthy man. Your happiness is of great worth to us.

Times may be about to get real hard for us Americans and we need you in the game, which is something you can not be where you are.

Please swallow your pride or whatever it is and take the cash and get the heck out of there. Pronto.
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Re: OT: Too much pain, too many tears.

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Ya know,you guys on here are fantastic people! Honest to God, I have seen more friendship/caring than I have seen coming from so many different people in a long time.It is an absolute pleasure to belong to this forum.
Now Joe,Go ahead and get mad "at me" if you want BUT,we dont want "YOUR GUNS" Joe,its all about respecting/valueing a person(which we do you)but also in that context we need to feel that you are truthful with us and not just shooting off a bunch of garbage and never planning to really do anything ever but whine about it.
My God man,look at some of these guys what they are offering you??? If anyone should be offended it should be them???(your response)Free commercial sewing machine/beach apartment below cost and God love him he will even help out on utility bills/storage etc.(the mans a saint)and recomending you for a job etc.This can go on and on with the things everyone on here "will do for you" Joe,I respect you and value your friendship,BUT IF you do not make a change to HELP YOURSELF/YOUR WIFE "now" with these offerings,I do not want to ever hear again how BAD you have it or how TOUGH things are with no help being given/offered to you guys.If so friend, I will lose my respect for you(which I now have) and will not respond/involve myself at all with issues regarding you problems nor will I read any postings regarding this issue.This is your chance NOW!!! If you dont take it/dont ever complain about it again(at least involving me)Done Deal! Regards!
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"Joe,I respect you and value your friendship,BUT IF you do not make a change to HELP YOURSELF/YOUR WIFE "now" with these offerings,I do not want to ever hear again how BAD you have it or how TOUGH things are with no help being given/offered to you guys.If so friend, I will lose my respect for you(which I now have) and will not respond/involve myself at all with issues regarding you problems nor will I read any postings regarding this issue.This is your chance NOW!!! If you dont take it/dont ever complain about it again(at least involving me)Done Deal! Regards!"

Ditto what Madman4570 said. Besides - I refuse to make a donation. I am offering to rent you a place. It will cost you, no doubt, but it is available and reasonably priced. If you can't/don't pay you will get kicked out like anyone else. This arrangement is not a donation or charity, it is an option for you to consider.
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Joe--- it looks like you are among men who are willing to embody the spirit of Christ. "nuff said.

Gospel of Mathew Ch 25
Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
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For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
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Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
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And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
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a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
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darn, guys. I know we all wanna help, but if he wants to do for himself, that's his right. Maybe he doesn't want to move where you guys are trying to move him, or he's uncomfortable with accepting this much help. I can totally understand that. This is turning into one of those deals like when your wife insists on "helping" you, then treats you like a jerk for not wanting her meddling in the task at hand.

He came here for a little moral support. How about we just give him that and respect his wishes? If he decides to take us up on our offers, I'm sure he'll do so privately. No need to be jerks about it. True charity is a private matter. Pride has value.
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Travis Morgan wrote:darn, guys. I know we all wanna help, but if he wants to do for himself, that's his right. Maybe he doesn't want to move where you guys are trying to move him, or he's uncomfortable with accepting this much help. I can totally understand that. This is turning into one of those deals like when your wife insists on "helping" you, then treats you like a jerk for not wanting her meddling in the task at hand.

He came here for a little moral support. How about we just give him that and respect his wishes? If he decides to take us up on our offers, I'm sure he'll do so privately. No need to be jerks about it. True charity is a private matter. Pride has value.
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No problem. I've been in some tight spots, but I'd like to think I've never traded my dignity for money.
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Travis said it well. The point of these posts is that this is not an impossible task and there is help available, often from unexpected sources. The Miller's will do this in their own time and hopefully can pick a place they will cherish. Just the vast amount of offers must have boosted their confidence and spirits. That's it for now. Give them the peace to decide what to do and when.
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Hey, No problem I will wash my hands of this as of right now! Sorry for caring about Joe and the Wife.BUT Travis, my friend I DO take offense to your phrase and being included in and being called "A JERK" on this issue.Its too bad we could not meet in person and have a little deeper discussion on this topic though.Could be you see it different than myself and that is your right but maybe you should read again below their direct QUOTES coming from them? And yes, you are right"PRIDE HAS VALUE" ! But that is fine,I am done with this topic!



"So what ever anyone here could/can come up with, we are open to just about anything."
"Sorry guys, but this is getting to be too much. I'm tired of watching my wife cry. " but I can't handle much more of this."
"We need a respite" "a couple simple jobs". "This God awful place is killing us and every thing we value".
"Some times I wish I had somebody that would take care of us like we try to take care of our kitties". "All I seem to be able to do is cry my heart out".
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My problem wasn't with the offers, rather with the harping on him to take what was offered "or shut up about it".

I can offer you some kinda food I think is the best in the world, but if you don't like it, you don't like it, and you're not gonna eat it. If you were one of the insistent ones or part of the "take it or leave it" crowd, the Jerk comment was aimed right at you.
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madman4570 wrote:This is your chance NOW!!! If you dont take it/dont ever complain about it again(at least involving me)Done Deal! Regards!
Yes,I said that! I said it and I meant and still mean it.Why, because I/we actually care about them.What have you offered except patronizing them and not offering anything but your empty words, which from what I see are nothing more than smoke.
Did you read those quotes?they asked for help.(NOW)The reason that "the take it now or never" deal was offered was to put a fire under their butt and get them going.They need that.

I know what a JERK is! A JERK is a person that cares only about themself/unwilling to help others/uses others only for their gain/
has no compassion of caring etc. I will let those who actually read this total accumalation of posts on this topic decide for themselves.
I/we (some of us)run more than our mouth(we are willing to back it up) Joe Miller and his wife REALLY knows who is trying to help them. (The word JERK coming from your posting is empty words that mean nothing to me)
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Mad and Trav, I think both of you mean well, but it's really shooting holes in a really good thread......

Hey, it's two days down there, I'll foot the bill for 6 meals eaten on the road..... A hundred bucks???....If and when they pull the trigger..... Go ahead, Joe, slap that bull on the @zz :wink:
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Yeah,
lets get back on track.
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madman4570 wrote:
madman4570 wrote:This is your chance NOW!!! If you dont take it/dont ever complain about it again(at least involving me)Done Deal! Regards!
Yes,I said that! I said it and I meant and still mean it.Why, because I/we actually care about them.What have you offered except patronizing them and not offering anything but your empty words, which from what I see are nothing more than smoke.
Did you read those quotes?they asked for help.(NOW)The reason that "the take it now or never" deal was offered was to put a fire under their butt and get them going.They need that.

I know what a JERK is! A JERK is a person that cares only about themself/unwilling to help others/uses others only for their gain/
has no compassion of caring etc. I will let those who actually read this total accumalation of posts on this topic decide for themselves.
I/we (some of us)run more than our mouth(we are willing to back it up) Joe Miller and his wife REALLY knows who is trying to help them. (The word JERK coming from your posting is empty words that mean nothing to me)
Now you're really talking out of your butt. What I did or didn't offer is between JMiller and I, and dependant on my financial circumstances. I at least have the good taste to make my offers privately and unconditionally. I feel no need to compete with you or anyone else over how much I offer, nor do I feel that an offer extended in friendship entitles me to tell that friend how to live their life or what to do with the gift. I was taught that a gift should be given freely, without expectation or not at all.

You remind me of the drunken louts that have to play bigshot and buy a $500 bottle of whiskey at a fundraiser rather than just writing a check in private to support the cause, then spend the next month reminding everyone you did it. If your true motivation for giving is altruism, then you don't need everyone to know.

I'll consider this conversation with you closed, as you obviously have nothing to offer but insults over hurt feelings. I simply cannot understand what makes you think you have any right to judge how one man helps another.
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i have been trying to stay out of this, but i've got to say
it's pretty heart warming. the out pouring of concern[even
the flairups] and offers to help. you guys take the cake.

picking up and moving takes guts, faith, and not a little
fatalism[if it's meant to be]. i'm sure the millers will come
to a decision in their own time, i just hope the oppotunities
presented recently will be available if and when.

if there is anything i/we can do i hope i/we will be allowed to
do so.

good luck, pokey
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Mods, can we just delete this thread, since it's so far off track, and has gone so far awry?
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