I'm a Dangerous Man....Humph !!

Windjammer · Post by **Windjammer** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:26 pm

The company I work for is closing down.......China has put us out of business.

I went to the unemployment office to file for unemployment. There were 24 of us in the room. After hearing the speech and filling out the required paperwork, everyone was required to lay out 2 forms of identification in front of us on the table.

I laid out my drivers license and my Tennessee photo CCW ( handgun carry permit ). The guy comes around to see if the paperwork was properly filled out and to check the ID.

He looked at my CCW and said, This is no good, the only thing this tells me is that you are a dangerous man.

Although I got heated up, I didn't want to start anything at that time or place. I simply told the " state employed Jerk " your probably looking at the least dangerous man in this room.

That's Bullshit when a state employ won't take a state issued CCW as a form of identification. He or'ta be fired. What should I have said under those circumstances...?

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:32 pm

I would have politely pointed out that it is a state issued form of I.D. and if he didn't like he could stick it up his rear. What a moron.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:32 pm

"let me talk to your supervisor"

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:37 pm

Does your CCW have your photo???

The guy is a jerk!! Just accept it though and dont makes waves.
Thats not the place.They might try giving you a harder time from now on if you do or report you as a potential crackpot ready to go off on them to their bosses.

Its not right, but right now you need your unemployment and not extra hassel which fighting over that could bring!!!
Also require him to show you documented accepted articles of proof?

Sorry for your job loss! Hope you find a better one soon,

Best of Luck!

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:41 pm

rjohns94 wrote:"let me talk to your supervisor"

Yes, Demand an apology. And after that a "letter to the editor". Don't forget to get the guys name.

At a time of stress, the last thing you need is a condensending liar.-------------Good thing you kept your cool---we all stand together on these issues------------Sixgun

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:43 pm

My bank would not accept my Arizona CCW as a second form of id,
I asked the pretty teller would would be a acceptable form of id,
she said a major credit card.
Guys,
My dog has received an application for a credit card!
I asked for a manager, the story unfolded, the bank now accepts Arizona CCW from me.
I wonder how many people this has happened to, and because they were unwilling to go the hassle, accept the fact that some self appointed guardian of the public welfare, has deemed thier CCW
" unworthy "

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:56 pm

mescalero1 wrote:
I wonder how many people this has happened to, and because they were unwilling to go the hassle, accept the fact that some self appointed guardian of the public welfare, has deemed thier CCW
" unworthy "

Good move dude---the squeaky wheel gets the grease

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:59 pm

Ya, you guys are right ,and since that jerk said that stuff that you already to him are a dangerous man, why not.Hassel him a little.
Speak to his boss!
Just dont go overboard,Besides what are they going to do,fire you?

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:11 pm

I had my tonsils taken out when I was a kid, to get my CCW, the FBI looked at the scars where my tonsils once were, through a borescope inserted through my rectal orifice, WHO is this bank teller to question my veracity?

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:15 pm

Should have said your GREEN card was stolen !

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:16 pm

flatnose · Post by **flatnose** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:17 pm

I was going to say something here, but decided not to make waves.
Its better to suffer in silence than upset someone.
This is how you get the government and treatment you deserve.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:17 pm

rjohns94 wrote:"let me talk to your supervisor"

DITTO!

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:21 pm

flatnose wrote:I was going to say something here, but decided not to make waves.
Its better to suffer in silence than upset someone.
This is how you get the government and treatment you deserve.

BS! The arrogant little pip squeak is a state employee which means he works for the citizens of the state ( that includes Windjammmer) and he better act like it or I will see his boss, his boss's boss and also write my State Legislative Representatives.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:24 pm

Ironically, the CCW permit is likely the most difficult to obtain, and has the most thorough background checking, of all the forms of ID you could present, unless you have some sort of 'top secret' military clearance ID.

When you're in a pinch, and daren't make waves, see if you have any local friends who aren't unemployed with CCW's who'd be willing to go down there and MAKE some waves. It is far easier to give the government minion some flack if you actually have a steady job and don't really need the unemployment, but when you're at their mercy, you have to bite your tongue.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:30 pm

AJMD429 is right!
I was gainfully employed with no skeletons in the closet.
Windjammer was in a precarious place, and I see NO fault in your actions.
I am sorry if I came on strong, but;
I DO feel passionately about this issue.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Sun May 31, 2009 8:46 pm

mescalero1 wrote:AJMD429 is right!
I was gainfully employed with no skeletons in the closet.
Windjammer was in a precarious place, and I see NO fault in your actions.
I am sorry if I came on strong, but;
I DO feel passionately about this issue.

No wonder Bobo won the election, you guys will roll over for a lowly arrogant public servant that isn't being a servant, AKA "Isn't doing his job!". If the clown withholds benefits it is discrimination and illegal. Press the matter, you shouldn't have to kiss any body's butt to get what you have coming to you. How do i know this, because one of those pip squeaks did this stuff to my daughter. After 3 months of playing a game against a cheater, one call to our local State Senator, had a supervisor on the phone apologizing and promising the check in 5 days or less (it took 4 due to the weekend) and that the employee was being investigated. Pip squeak boy lost his job over this incident.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:09 pm

Bear 45-70
Sounds to me like your daughter had a strong willed father to lean on, Windjammer may very well be the sole provider for the family,and as such ; his primary goal is the preservation of the family.
Jeez, listen to me, 56,single, no children....................
Still, I hold my ground, I will find no fault with Windjammer's actions.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:12 pm

mescalero1 wrote:Bear 45-70
Sounds to me like your daughter had a strong willed father to lean on, Windjammer may very well be the sole provider for the family,and as such ; his primary goal is the preservation of the family.
Jeez, listen to me, 56,single, no children....................
Still, I hold my ground, I will find no fault with Windjammer's actions.

Actually she learned from her Mother and Daddy knows better than to interfere in either one of their doing's without an invite. Of course it doesn't hurt that the Senator and I have know each other for 20 years, but I never talked to Tim (the Senator) about this.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:16 pm

You could have said that before I got all philosophical!

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:24 pm

mescalero1 wrote: You could have said that before I got all philosophical!

I stepped in a couple time while she was in Junior high and High school and always got told to butt out, so I was willing, just smart enough not to go for burnt fingers a third time.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:28 pm

They do bring a different perspective to life.

Post by **Hobie** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:49 pm

Most forms of martial arts also have a move where one avoids the attack and uses the attackers momentum against him. I don't want to get all KwaiChang Kaine on you but it isn't always a good thing to meet force with force. Sometimes one sneaks around the back way and clobbers 'em.

That said I don't use my CHP for a second ID except when buying a gun. I ask what an acceptable 2nd ID is and then produce it. But IF a state id was required I'd have produced it and told him to accept it or get his supervisor, and up the chain if necessary.

Prayers said on the job. That sucks.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun May 31, 2009 9:53 pm

Hobie wrote:Most forms of martial arts also have a move where one avoids the attack and uses the attackers momentum against him. I don't want to get all KwaiChang Kaine on you but it isn't always a good thing to meet force with force. Sometimes one sneaks around the back way and clobbers 'em.

Discretion is the better part of valor. But that doesn't mean don't have a back up plan ready...

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun May 31, 2009 10:12 pm

Perhaps I should have been more diplomatic?

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:28 am

Hobie wrote:Most forms of martial arts also have a move where one avoids the attack and uses the attackers momentum against him. I don't want to get all KwaiChang Kaine on you but it isn't always a good thing to meet force with force. Sometimes one sneaks around the back way and clobbers 'em.

That said I don't use my CHP for a second ID except when buying a gun. I ask what an acceptable 2nd ID is and then produce it. But IF a state id was required I'd have produced it and told him to accept it or get his supervisor, and up the chain if necessary.

Prayers said on the job. That sucks.

Here in Washington, no Concealed Weapons permit means a 5 day waiting period. Show you permit and take it home with you. The 5 days is for local law enforcement to run a quickie background check.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:11 am

Not much to add - all the responses have been great. Keeping your cool is important. Pointing out that it is a state-issued ID just like your state-issued driver's licsence is important. Asking for the supervisor, demanding an apology, and following up with a letter to the editor are all important steps as well. If the supervisor didn't chew his rump on the spot and apologize profusely to you right then and there, ask for his or her supervisor. Also follow up with a letter to your Congress-critter - both at the state and federal level. Call there offices and complain. Make this an issue that gets enough attention that no pencil-necked bean-counting bureaucrat hoplophobe is likely to express their idiocy in public again. Bottom line, we - as a community - can not let these issues slide.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:17 am

Windjammer wrote:The company I work for is closing down.......China has put us out of business.

Don't blame China. Blame our government which imposes policies that drive American businesses out of business with the second highest corporate tax rates in the world. Add in all the different mandates that protect this or that which companies and individuals pay for in the cost of products and services. Jobs always go to places where taxes and costs are lowest. It's why Texas is the only state that has job growth these days.

Sorry to hear you lost your job though. Hopefully you'll find something new soon.

As for the rest of the subject, I wouldn't have used a CCW as a form of ID. Like your firearm, keep it concealed and hush hush.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:54 am

It was poor taste and possibly worse, but not being there, it's hard to tell how he meant it. Could he have meant it to be sarcastic? As in "this tells me your a "dangerous man"

)He could also have meant it in terms of "it tells me that your someone I don't want to mess with" which could be an awkward way of making light of the situation. Lots of ways to misinterpret things but you might be right on with your impression. If he otherwise did something to treat you with disrespect like throwing it back at you then I would assume he meant it like an insult. I try to digest things before I get angry, and then come back for justice in a more sure knowledge that I am in the right. I would have handled it the same way I believe, though I've gone off many times without thinking things through.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:58 am

Since it is a State Issued Photo ID, my response would have been:

"And your point is?... It's a State Issued Photo ID. Accept it or get your Supervisor."

Unfortunately(?) the IN "permit" (ack spit) has no photo so is as useless for ID as a Social Insecurity card.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:24 am

OI,
In my case with my bank, I do not have a photo on my credit card so how does it become more valid than my CCW?

kmittleman · Post by **kmittleman** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:27 am

" I simply told the " state employed Jerk " your probably looking at the least dangerous man in this room."

Man!! Ain't THAT the truth!! Sounds like he hasn't thought any of this through. I guess he must think all L.E.O's are inherently dangerous as well.......

-KEVIN

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:31 am

mescalero1 wrote:OI,
In my case with my bank, I do not have a photo on my credit card so how does it become more valid than my CCW?

I don't know why anyone - bank or otherwise - would use a Credit Card as a form of ID. Sounds like a great bank to use the next time I want to run a Stolen Identity scam...

GonnePhishin · Post by **GonnePhishin** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:37 am

Whats really Bulls**t is the fact you have to pony up two forms of identification. That always frosts my behind, especially after working for someone for years

Good luck with finding new employment.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:38 am

That is my whole point, the id they would accept was less secure than the one I offered; again, a distinct lack of critical thinking skills.

jhrosier · Post by **jhrosier** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:29 pm

I've used my MA LTC for ID a couple of times.
First time was in a store when asked for ID when making a credit card purchase.
The cashier refused to accept it until I talked to her supervisor.
I said that the LTC was proof that I had never been convicted of fraud or any other felony.
That put a whole new perpective on the matter and the sale was made promptly.
I would like to think that the next person who presented an LTC benefitted from the experience.

More recently, I changed jobs and needed multiple forms of ID to prove my identity and citizenship.
Since the MA LTC is only issued to US citizens, I offered it and it was accepted without question.
I had previously had a long chat with the HR manager and found that he was also a shooter.

Jack

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:58 pm

rjohns94 wrote:"let me talk to your supervisor"

+another

Exactly what I thought.

And the idea to quote this jerk's name rank and serial number in a newspaper op ed piece would be a good touch too.

You know, if this was a situation where you were a minority (if you aren't) and used something like a naacp card for ID and had this happen, you'd have grounds for a law suit and the aclu would have six laywers at your disposal...

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:02 pm

Just my .02¢ but I would not use my CCW permit as proof of identification. Only to show proof of my right to carry. Even if you have a driver's license, many states will issue you a state ID in addition to the driver's license.

rafter-7 · Post by **rafter-7** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:09 pm

My CWP has my fingerprints and pic on file and on the card, federal background check yet someplaces do not accept it as ID in my town either. I told them its way harder to get one of these then a stupid drivers licence ...and a lot esier to get revolked

^
7

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:21 pm

What should I have said under those circumstances...?

"I hope you enjoy the investigation."

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:50 pm

FWiedner wrote:
What should I have said under those circumstances...?
"I hope you enjoy the investigation."

Good one!

Guys, this one has bothered me all day. If it happens to me, I am going to make a federal case out of it. This is a state-issued legal document. I think we all need to take any and every opportunity to blister some rear-end anytime this idiocy comes up. In fact, reading this, I am now going to use my CCW permit (which has the same picture as my Drivers License - they pulled it from the same computer system) as my primary ID and see if I can get someone to turn me down.

Windjammer, I'm sorry to hear about your job lose. Should have mentioned that in my first reply...

Good luck!

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:11 pm

Good on you YK,
This type of minion misconduct MUST be challanged.
But not by someone in Windjammers position.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:21 pm

mescalero1 wrote:Good on you YK,
This type of minion misconduct MUST be challanged.
But not by someone in Windjammers position.

Agreed. Feeding the family comes first. Okay to challenge, but wise to pick one's battles, and if the twerp could have kept him from needed funds, that is not the hill to fight on... that day. I'd still contact my elected representatives and make the worms work for once. This "deed" should not go unpunished...

samb · Post by **samb** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:38 am

Windjammer,
You handled it perfectly. I lost my job as an airline pilot less than 60 day's after September 11th, when the airline I was flying for went broke. Unemployment is a very tough thing to handle as a man, since much of our identity is our job. Keep your chin up and call every friend you have. I called one who said, "Sam I've been waiting for your call". He went and pounded on his boss's desk every couple weeks till I got an interview. I even asked him to come out for a coffee the night before the interview to pump me up and help me be positive. I was unemployed for 7 months, and walked around for hours on end wondering if I would ever fly a jet again. In the next two years after September 11th, 99% of the 535 pilots I had worked with found flying jobs, but it sure looked bleak for a time.

You and your job search are in my prayers. I loved the way you handled yourself. Yours was a classy, humble, direct answer.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:59 am

Bear 45/70 wrote:
mescalero1 wrote:AJMD429 is right!
I was gainfully employed with no skeletons in the closet.
Windjammer was in a precarious place, and I see NO fault in your actions.
I am sorry if I came on strong, but;
I DO feel passionately about this issue.

No wonder Bobo won the election, you guys will roll over for a lowly arrogant public servant that isn't being a servant, AKA "Isn't doing his job!". If the clown withholds benefits it is discrimination and illegal. Press the matter, you shouldn't have to kiss any body's butt to get what you have coming to you. How do i know this, because one of those pip squeaks did this stuff to my daughter. After 3 months of playing a game against a cheater, one call to our local State Senator, had a supervisor on the phone apologizing and promising the check in 5 days or less (it took 4 due to the weekend) and that the employee was being investigated. Pip squeak boy lost his job over this incident.

It's the one labeled "Prozac". Take two.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:43 pm

Travis Morgan wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
mescalero1 wrote:AJMD429 is right!
I was gainfully employed with no skeletons in the closet.
Windjammer was in a precarious place, and I see NO fault in your actions.
I am sorry if I came on strong, but;
I DO feel passionately about this issue.

No wonder Bobo won the election, you guys will roll over for a lowly arrogant public servant that isn't being a servant, AKA "Isn't doing his job!". If the clown withholds benefits it is discrimination and illegal. Press the matter, you shouldn't have to kiss any body's butt to get what you have coming to you. How do i know this, because one of those pip squeaks did this stuff to my daughter. After 3 months of playing a game against a cheater, one call to our local State Senator, had a supervisor on the phone apologizing and promising the check in 5 days or less (it took 4 due to the weekend) and that the employee was being investigated. Pip squeak boy lost his job over this incident.

It's the one labeled "Prozac". Take two.

My doc says no Prozac for me as I still have my balls. Anyone who rolls over for or tells someone else it is OK to roll over and take the treatment Windjammer got, deserves to have Bobo as their president. No one deserve for an employee, and that is what that unemployment dipstick is, to treat them like that. It is unconscionable.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:03 pm

Blaine,
Is Bear always so unreasonable?

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:35 pm

mescalero1 wrote:Blaine,
Is Bear always so unreasonable?

When it comes to PRINCIPLES", YES!

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:13 pm

There's a certain amount of compromise involved in living anywhere. I'm not saying he should have just beat the hell out of the guy, but there is a way of getting things done, and then there's the screaming and crying fits you have everytime you disagree with anyone.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:41 pm

Travis Morgan wrote:There's a certain amount of compromise involved in living anywhere. I'm not saying he should have just beat the hell out of the guy, but there is a way of getting things done, and then there's the screaming and crying fits you have everytime you disagree with anyone.

Oh I see, you liberal in a gun owners clothing, when you do it it is totally acceptable and normal. When I do it then it is "screaming and crying fits." You must have some major ESP, even though it is missing the intended target, to see any tears on me. What a meat head!