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I was wondering...

Say you have a small .22 bolt gun like a Cricket.

Have the Bolt be Off hand, and make a highly recessed into the stock, somthing like an XP-100 only more so... i.e. the pistol grip at about the center of gravity for an action + 16.25" barrel.

The action & rear sight would be just over the forearm, wth about 6" of barrel extending past the pistol grip.

Wouldn't that be just about the ultimate in a .22 Colibri "it don't look like a gun" squirrel/pigeon sniper? :twisted:
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There's a thought. Only those crickets aren't cheap for what you are getting - seem to be about half plastic to boot! :roll:
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Yea, but that pink stock is what got my 4 year old daughter interested in shooting!

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My six year old and I stop in our local gun store about once a week. She looks at that pink Cricket every time. I've been thinking it's about time to get her started, but her Momma doesn't think so.
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I only think "Cricket" because the barrel & action are already only 23" long... and I wouldn't have to do much metalwork to cobble together an ugly prototype.

Just think about it... a "rifle" by definition because of its length that actually handles like a pistol... except that because the rear sight is near your elbow has an 18" sight plane...
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It would be a fun little gun, no doubt, as long as its overall length was 26" or more. Any less and the BATFE would look askance. It'd be a devastating instrument of mass destruction and deaht, don't you know. And they're already eyeballing you as a dangerous right-wing extremist ...
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Well Ted like the song says:

Daddy don't care what momma don't allow, gonna shoot that rifle any how.
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the term "bullpup" comes to mind
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Totally illegal to turn a rifle into a handgun and then there is the aforemention length thing if you leave it as a rifle.
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I had though about doing that after looking at them for awhile one day. I wasn't thinking about sliding the grip forward though, just nipping the barral back to pistl length.
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Bear 45/70 wrote:Totally illegal to turn a rifle into a handgun and then there is the aforemention length thing if you leave it as a rifle.
But a bullpup version would be ok, so long as the overall length was legal.
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The OAL of a cricket is 30".

If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.

but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.
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If they measure a gun, it's gonna be too short when they're done measuring.
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Travis Morgan wrote:If they measure a gun, it's gonna be too short when they're done measuring.
Surely you aren't suggesting that our beloved public servants in the BATFE would lie about something like that, are you? Or use a measuring scale where an inch is '.............................' that long? They would NEVER do anything dishonest! Just ask them!
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If they do, ask to see the latest Calibration Sticker then
have them produce the Certificate of Calibration :D
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They'd just claim you were "impeding their investigation", then arrest you. Cops don't take requests from the back seat of a patrol car. My all time favorite response? "Those cuffs aren't tight, they're just new. They'll stretch out in a minute!" :lol:
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ya,you are proably right!
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Andrew wrote:I had though about doing that after looking at them for awhile one day. I wasn't thinking about sliding the grip forward though, just nipping the barral back to pistl length.


Once again, are trying to go to federal prison? You can't make a pistol out of a rifle or shorten a rifle barrel to less than 16".
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Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".

If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.

but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.


You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".

If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.

but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.


You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".

If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.

but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.


You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
Once it's REGISTERED as a rifle, it can't change, you mean.
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".

If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.

but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.


You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
Except that a Bullpup Rifle is, oddly enough, a RIFLE.

If it has a shoulder stock it is a RIFLE - so long as the OAL is 26" or greater.

A bulpup has a shoulder stock.

If that bulpup is sized for a youth, it makes no odds.

What you are implying is that a 26" Cricket Rifle, designed & cut back for a small youth, would be a "pistol" simply because I can fire it quite well with one hand... which is categorically not so.

A bullpup is a Rifle, not a pistol, regatdless of the placement of Grip & trigger group.
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