I want your opinion on a post i made elsewhere!!!

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:13 pm

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: A bad idea

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:29 pm

I will not agree with you as to the causation of the shortage, but I will agree with you as to the fear mongering that is taking place.I bought MUCHO primers during the primer scare, I am glad I did.
This too shall pass, and yes, this administration has too much to worry about right now.
We are low on the priority list, for now.
Prices will stabilize, in some form of new normal.
#What that will be remain to be discovered.

deerwhacker444 · Post by **deerwhacker444** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:33 pm

Back in 94 when the first ban took place, I could buy SKS ammo for pennies a round. Since then the price has gone thru the roof. Now with Obama in the WH, the price can only go up from here. Call it what you want, but I'm hoarding ammo/components because I know it will be more expensive in the future and some of it will definitely be harder to get. Thinking otherwise is fooling yourself.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:44 pm

Some of that 7.62X39 WAS REAL BAD STUFF.
prices have risen, but I think not disproportionally to other goods, supply & demand, basic economic evolution, all the free market cyclical events.

Post by **Hobie** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:47 pm

Over a year ago I started "accumulating" a supply of supplies of all kinds. As the election got closer I felt it was more and more clear that things COULD get much worse before they got better. In some ways, they have. We'll see. Still, I think it better to be prepared than to be unprepared.

BTW, in Jan 2008 I mentioned this and got a lot of pooh-poohing of my eccentricity.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:49 pm

I guess I am not as excited about it as others because I have been doing it for years.
It is manifesting itself in this move, I have to move all that stuff!

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:09 pm

I here everyone saying there buying up as much as they can.We are causing the shortage!I read post were people say they bought every box on the shelf in posts.Wat about the next guy.

I guess you didn't hear about the problems the police depts were having getting a hold of ammo as well. When the problem starts reaching law enforcement, there's no possible way the civilian market is at fault.

There is a shortage, most of which is caused by military use and the factories inability to keep up with demand for all military/LEO/civilian use.

but we all are guilty of helping this thing grow into a monster.I don't want to make you mad but don't let these rich people scare you into there trap+give them more $$$ then they already have.

Now, in the civilian market, think of how many more new gun owners there are. I think over 1.3 million more background checks were processed in the last few months. People are going to be needing ammo for those weapons. So you're more than likely going to have a shortage in the civilian market regardless of anyone hoarding ammo. I doubt the ammo factories had prepared for that huge of an increase.

So, this "monster" would have occurred anyway due to demand. And those people that refuse to increase their supply will wish they had, and those that bought as much as they could afford will be glad they did.

Ammo will not decrease in price any time in the near future, and with all the talks of new legislation being passed, neither will the demand for it decrease.

This president has to much else to worry about to start out with us.

Don't fool yourself. He's just getting started.

Things work themselves out unless we panic and get are issue moved to the head of the line.In my 30 some years of gun ownerships Ive seen this rollacoaster go up+down 50 times and the only changes is in what we have to pay for are guns+ammo.

When's the last time you knew of gun and ammo prices going down? With the cost of metals going up because of emerging economies around the world and with increased operations costs (unions/medical insurance/higher taxes/etc...) for the corporations, I seriously doubt you'll see prices come down ever again. My guess is there will be significant increases in the next few years. The prices may start to level off some, but they will never be as cheap as they are today.

I don't call it "hoarding" or "panic buying"... I call it a smart investment.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:27 pm

This has got nothing to do with rumor-mongering unless you want to add it to the pile of expected bans that the current administration is expected to try and foist upon the American People.

The shortages are being caused first by the rush of some to get what they think they'll need for doomsday, and two by the reflexive knee-jerk of others responding to the perceived "shortage".

Same thing happens with new toys at Christmas.

RKrodle · Post by **RKrodle** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:36 pm

My opinion, that and 2 dollars will get you a cup of coffee, is that in the near future the panic buying will end and prices will drop. I think alot of people who normally don't buy ammo or very little are stocking up. Soon these people will stop buying ammo and EBR's. They will set in the closet for awhile and then these people will start selling them for one reason or another. That and a decrease in military use and soon the ammo companys will be crying that no one is buying ammo, same for the makers of EBR's. Prices will come back down, maybe not as low as before, and alot of very little used EBR's will be on the market and several Black rifle makers will go out of business because they bought new equipment to stay up with demand and the demand will go away. They will be left with payments for new expensive equipment and won't have the money to make them. I believe this will have a huge impact on the shooting industry with so much surplus on the market. Again, this in just my opinion.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:02 pm

If you call yourself JOHNNY WACKO don't ask to be taken seriously. When you solve that --- let's hear the next question.

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:20 pm

You dint look like a old savage either.I'm not attacking anyone personally.And expect the same back.
Happy easter to you+yours

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:22 pm

You asked for a real opinion, I don't know you - just your public presentation. It is not a criticism of you.

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:41 pm

If someone ask for opinions and i dint have one to offer I polite say nothing at all+let others that do have there say.With that solved-lets hear the next question. Sounds rude when its put back to you dint it??? Thats my next Question to you SIR.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:16 pm

Hey WACKO -

You started this thread off by saying:

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: A unpopular post i made elsewhere

If your post was unpopular elsewhere, what made you think it would be popular here.
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If you don't want to stockpile/hoard ammo and reloading components fine but don't knock those of us that do.

When and if you run out of say, "small pistol primers", think of me and my XX,000 plus "small pistol primers".

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:20 pm

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny,
You did ask for opinions, and OS gave you his...

don't get all in a dither over it... Unless, like I usually say, if the shoe fits wear it. Those that react poorly to criticism, generally are deserving of same.

As to your original post query... I just don't know what to think. I'm too lazy to do the actual market research to determine if there IS a shortage, and when folks say they just bought x-thousands of primers, ergo all the guy had... I have to wonder... do they have a need for same, or just knee-jerkin'?

Myself, I bought several thousand primers of the two sizes I use the most a few years ago... it equated to several + years of anticipated usage. I don't really know just how many "+" years it equals. If presented with the oppportunity to buy a decades or two decades worth of primers for a reasonable price... would I? Probably not. Not because of any moral high ground... but I have some other priorities right now... among which is accumulating enough lead to make the primers I currently have useful!

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:42 pm

Johnny, things are more uncertain than usual right now, with the economy, new Marxist regime in Washington, etc. As far as loading up on certain types of supplies, I say it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:26 pm

peace

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:47 pm

Don't let one reply to one post sour you on the whole forum. You got some good answers to your question. I, for one, have found your posts here to be solid contributions to the quality of this forum.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:50 pm

As requested

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:56 pm

Johnny,
Don't let this get you down, OS's sense of humor exists on a parralel plane.
He really is a good old boy.
Seems we got off on the wrong track, let it lie for now, come back tommorow, things will look better.

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:57 pm

that one realy nice scope.im not hurt at all just misunderstood.lets just stop the story here and talk guns ??

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:00 am

Getting back on track, I guess I'm slacking because I've only bought a few hundred primers in the last several months. They have had pretty good availability at my local place throughout this nonsense. I do have a stock of several thousand various primers, and at the rate I'm able to use them lately, my current stock will last me through the current administration and hopefully things will get better after that, if not before.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:07 am

[quote="Bear 45/70
I wasn't aware that the was a Constitutional Amendment protecting you from getting your feelings hurt.

[/quote]

Typical.

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:08 am

thank you!

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:12 am

claybob86 wrote:[quote="Bear 45/70
I wasn't aware that the was a Constitutional Amendment protecting you from getting your feelings hurt.

Typical.

[/quote]

Typical that you are as inane as it gets. Please explain how what I said was incorrect?

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:13 am

tell me the story behind that gun+scope bid bear

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:19 am

Bear 45/70 wrote:
claybob86 wrote:[quote="Bear 45/70
I wasn't aware that the was a Constitutional Amendment protecting you from getting your feelings hurt.
Typical.

Typical that you are as inane as it gets. Please explain how what I said was incorrect?[/quote]

The majority of your posts here that I've seen contain something that's calculated to insult someone. Look back at what you've written here and try to picture yourself on the receiving end. Would you like to be talked to like that? I doubt it. Try to remember this: Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:22 am

Here is the way I look at it.
Is there a chance in the near future of some major gun
law changes that will be attempted to be made? I say--YES

Will the laws pass and go through Congress---VERY GOOD CHANCE

Will the gun owning people stand for it----NOT SURE,DONT THINK SO, meaning will something be done more than just complaining about it.???????

Do I think this is some stunt to get people all shook up to spend
all their money on ammo----HE** NO

Each person needs to access their feelings/needs and obtain the
amount of ammo they feel comfortable in the event there is a
large shortfall of either mfg ammo or the components for handloads.

I say buy what you need/use but dont buy up everthing hoping
no one else will be able to get it, then jack it up ten times, making
a profit off other peoples misfortune during that type of crisis.
Doing that makes you no better than a scab,at least to me.
But hey thats only MY opinion.

See ya,

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:23 am

JOHNNY WACKO wrote:that one realy nice scope.im not hurt at all just misunderstood.lets just stop the story here and talk guns ??

+1

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:27 am

JOHNNY WACKO wrote:tell me the story behind that gun+scope bid bear

oooops thats just bear sorry

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:30 am

Harrington & Richardson (H&R) Model 1871 "Buffalo Classic" with 32" barrel in 45/70 Government. The scope is a Navy Arms 4 power scope, no internal adjustment of the cross-hairs, with a 3/4" diameter brass tube, 32+" long with screw on lens caps. The scope adjustments are in the rear scope mount. The rifle I've had about a year, the scope came along last month from a very good friend after a several months search.

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:32 am

My apologies JOHNNY, I can see where my initial comment could easily be taken as rude. And as to the Savage with the scope on the see through mounts - the same. I looked back to see what you were referring to and that also did not come across in the manner it should have. I was in each case referring to how it seemed to me in my mind rather than how it should be addressed to be polite. You make a good point.

I had he impression you were asking feed back on why you might be taken as stirring the pot in a post where you said you were stirring the pot rather than asking for an opinion on the subject you addressed. And on the Savage with the scope, that was intended as wryly humorous but that doesn't always work. Again, apologies on deriding the gun.

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:37 am

Sounds like were slowly going to become friends i to am sorry we got off to a ruff start but sometimes that makes for better friendships in the end.

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:39 am

Let's hope so, you have a nice collection guns though it looks like the pics are now gone.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:42 am

claybob86 wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
claybob86 wrote:[quote="Bear 45/70
I wasn't aware that the was a Constitutional Amendment protecting you from getting your feelings hurt.
Typical.

Typical that you are as inane as it gets. Please explain how what I said was incorrect?

The majority of your posts here that I've seen contain something that's calculated to insult someone. Look back at what you've written here and try to picture yourself on the receiving end. Would you like to be talked to like that? I doubt it. Try to remember this: Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.[/quote]

The only people I insult either justly deserve it or are like you, way to touch feelly and whine and cry when your feelings get hurt. Then you turn around a do exactly what you accuse me of doing, rather two faced don't you think?

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:43 am

I had so meny pictures in my photobucket i was out of room.So i cleared it out and started over.

Bear thats one nice gun how dose she shoot?

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:46 am

Bear 45/70 wrote:
claybob86 wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
claybob86 wrote:[quote="Bear 45/70
I wasn't aware that the was a Constitutional Amendment protecting you from getting your feelings hurt.
Typical.

Typical that you are as inane as it gets. Please explain how what I said was incorrect?
The majority of your posts here that I've seen contain something that's calculated to insult someone. Look back at what you've written here and try to picture yourself on the receiving end. Would you like to be talked to like that? I doubt it. Try to remember this: Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.

The only people I insult either justly deserve it or are like you, way to touch feelly and whine and cry when your feelings get hurt. Then you turn around a do exactly what you accuse me of doing, rather two faced don't you think?[/quote]

Oh well, I guess you just don't get it.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:50 am

JOHNNY WACKO wrote:I had so meny pictures in my photobucket i was out of room.So i cleared it out and started over.

Bear thats one nice gun how dose she shoot?

Thank you. With only a look down the barrel bore sight, rang the 6" gong with the second round. That was with my mild 405 grain LFN Aardvark bullets over 40 grains of H-4198 for 1600 fps out of my Marlin 1895SS with 22" barrel. Never Chrony'd the load out of my "Buffalo Classic".

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:58 am

Ive only seen scopes like that in the movies.Is that what everyone are using or is a uncommon deal?

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:48 am

Fairly uncommon but they are available.

http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/index.php?o ... &Itemid=52

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:40 am

I kind of want one of the Buffalo Classics but hesitate to add a caliber.

I didn't stock up on primers as I was busy with other things than loading and shooting. Saturday I got lucky at the reloading store as they had small pistol primers in. But the owner is rationing to us, only 500 max per customer.

So I bought the 500, and that should do me for the summer. I'll try to get more but don't want to overdo it and have too much of a fire hazard in my apartment. Not that primers and powder would start a fire, but they could make a small fire into a big fire.

I still have all the ammo I need for hunting season so if I can't get primers I'll just shoot more .22 LR.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:50 am

The Buffalo Classic is my 6th 45/70 Government calibered weapon. Five rifles and one pistol. I had another, a Baikal Coachgun with screw-in chokes and 45/70 barrel inserts. A Cowboy Action shooter wanted it real ad and actually paid me more than a $100 more than I had into the setup.

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:08 am

I WANT ONE OF THOSE FOR A WINCHESTER I HAVE!
it would set it off nice.

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:22 am

JOHNNY WACKO wrote:I WANT ONE OF THOSE FOR A WINCHESTER I HAVE!
it would set it off nice.

I know that feeling.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:41 am

I think the good old tax deadline has some of us a bit adrenaline-charged this year, more than most.

We're all in the same boat so should try to not get too up-tight about differences in language or opinion.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:46 am

Bear 45/70 wrote:The Buffalo Classic is my 6th 45/70 Government calibered weapon. Five rifles and one pistol. I had another, a Baikal Coachgun with screw-in chokes and 45/70 barrel inserts. A Cowboy Action shooter wanted it real ad and actually paid me more than a $100 more than I had into the setup.

What's that big blob of metal on the end of the barrel?

JOHNNY WACKO · Post by **JOHNNY WACKO** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:58 am

Looks like the first front site.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:23 am

I would love to have that gun/scope.
It looks really sharp.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:34 am

madman4570 wrote:I would love to have that gun/scope.
It looks really sharp.

Yeah, it looks pretty good but would look a lot better without that big chunk of metal sitting on top of the end of the barrel.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:57 am

Modoc ED wrote:
madman4570 wrote:I would love to have that gun/scope.
It looks really sharp.
Yeah, it looks pretty good but would look a lot better without that big chunk of metal sitting on top of the end of the barrel.

Yep... but I was thinkin' that scope would look world's better on my Sharps vs some tilt barrel thingie!