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Hobie wrote:Well fellas, I feel like locking this horse beating topic.
I have friends in all services. I've lost friends in this conflict (Iraq and Afghanistan) and earlier in non-combat "training" accidents. They were soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. One was a Coast Guardsman. All served, all sacrificed time away from family (if nothing else), all are or were good people. I miss every one of them I can't see now.
Hobie, you above all should realize that the word Soldier is CAPITOLIZED in accordance with the US Army grammer usage. I see you paid proper respect to the useage of Marine. I agree, Marines are not Soldiers! However, I do not appreciate comments stated above that would infer a Soldier as being less than!
You can lock the thread if you like, and probably should.
Gun Control is not about guns, it is about control!
Streetstar wrote:In all honesty ----- i have to say --- most people who would consider themselves "operators" dont give a flip what you call them. I spent 5 years in the 75th Infantry --- that doesn't quite make me an "operator" in my opinion, but i have spent countless hours training alongside USMC and US Navy personnell, along with members of the commonwealths Royal Marines among others.
The USMC line cook, vehicle mechanic or 2nd Louie with an administrative MOS might get bent because of such semantics, but the man who sleeps with his favorite knife or pistol and a "16" an arm reach away, doesn't.
I have experience with ship boarding exercises, and can use a Draeger -- but i am most definitely not a "Marine". And, from a technical perspective, i am more a "Marine" than a lot of Marines in that regard (flak gear and K-Pot deployed for the flame fest )
"Operator"? Heck, I thought they got rid of switchboards years ago.
Jeepnik AKA "Old Eyes"
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
Yes Marines are know as Soldiers of The Sea this is a term that we have used with pride for a long time.
But if you value your hide I highly recomend against refering to a Marine as just a soldier. To us especialy those of us that have worked closely with the Army (no offense to you dog faces out there) it is almost like making unkind remarks about our mothers. We take great pride in our identity and our accomplishments ( quite a few involved bailing out soldiers) and the fact that we are a small force. So in todays Marine Corps the only title that is proper is Marine.
That is my input the Gunny has spoken.
While Marines have certainly "bailed out soldiers", my oldest learned to love Army Apaches during his tour in Afghanistan. In a bad spot, below the badguys they called for air support. It happened the Army was closest and assisted by unloading on the fellows up top. While we may tease and insult each other, when the bad times, it seems that American Military Personel, regadless of branch will "bail out" others.
Jeepnik AKA "Old Eyes"
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
This has degenerated way beyond the scope of my original question.
"...In this present crisis, government isn't the solution to the problem; government is the problem." Ronald Reagan
"...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." Declaration of Independence
When i was active, we had derogatory nicknames for almost everybody. REMF was still applicable , even to those in our branch,(not a deserving title in hindsight), Air Force was called Air Farce (although without the 160th, we never got anywhere), the Seals were called the Village People (long story, ) , and i wont get into what we routinely referred to other Navy personnel as, both publicly and privately
Thats what you get with a bunch of young, competitive, aggressive guys. I can see by reading this thread that some things never change
Otto wrote:This has degenerated way beyond the scope of my original question.
Not quite to the level of the "30-30 vs. AR-15" debate a few days ago, but close ---- Maybe it would have been safer to suggest that a Norinco Mak 90 is a finer firearm than a Sharps BPCR rifle, and that everyone should trade their single action Rugers, Ubertis and Colts for Hi-Point 9mm's
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) , and i wont get into what we routinely referred to other Navy personnel as, both publicly and privately
