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Hunter4570 · Post by **Hunter4570** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:16 pm

Hi,

I'm new on this forum, living in south of France (yes i do) i'm hunter, shooter, lever gunner and hand loader for more than 36 years. It seem most of you like lever guns so i try to join a picture of some of my favorite lever guns. I mostly use 86s en 71s for hunting. I hope to have chance to exchange and learn from some of you who want to share stories and experiences with a frog.
Wish you good day and good shooting too,
Kind regards
Dominique

cnjarvis · Post by **cnjarvis** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:26 pm

I don't see a pic but welcome to the fire anyway!

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:29 pm

WELCOME to the campfire Dominique.

How are the Gun Laws in France? I hope they are better than here in England.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:40 pm

Welcome to the forum. Can't wait to hear some of your experiences over on that side of the pond.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:51 pm

When I rode the bullet train from London to Brussels, going through France there was a lot of Pheasant hunting going on, the tracks go through some nice countryside.

deerwhacker444 · Post by **deerwhacker444** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:54 pm

Welcome Dominique....! And I take back all the bad things I've said about the French since there's at least one Levergunner amongst the populus.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:00 pm

Dominique,

Welcome to the forum. Glad you chose to join us. I didn't see any pics, but you'll it posted. What do you hunt in France with big bore Winchesters?

Joe

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:03 pm

Cool!

I was in Paris about a year and a half ago and just loved it!!

Can't wait to get back and see more of the country!

jb

Hunter4570 · Post by **Hunter4570** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:39 pm

Try again may be this time...

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:40 pm

Welcome to the fire! Look forward to your posts.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:48 pm

Welcome, Sir...... I would be interested to hear about hunting and shooting in France!

Hunter4570 · Post by **Hunter4570** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:59 pm

Here is my 405 take down, reload with VN130 and Hawk 270 and 300grs. Next year will be with me in Africa where it belongs....We have some like that they were sold by the french company Manufrance before WW2. You can even find some double rifles made by belgians in this caliber

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:59 pm

Hows this?

Welcome to the forum!

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:42 pm

welcome...
nice shooter...
good luck in africa...what are you going to hunt and where?
France....mmmmm i think your the first on this forum
who lives in france.....
Have you ever heard of Ted Nugent?

dr walker · Post by **dr walker** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:01 pm

Welcome to the forum.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:16 pm

Welcome!

J Miller wrote:What do you hunt in France with big bore Winchesters?

Panzers! Sorry, I just couldn't help it...

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:06 pm

Welcome to the forum, this is home to a great bunch of levergun folks. Are you the one that ha some hog hunting pictures and article on the hunting page of this forum? Do you live in the south of France?

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:16 am

From the south of California, Welcome. Didn't know you guys could have guns. Though you did invent smokeless powder in 1885.

Comment allez vous - I know I spelled that wrong - it has been a long time.

GEOFF · Post by **GEOFF** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:32 am

Hunter4570,

Welcome aboard!

My father made the DDAY landing in August 1944 with the US 3rd Infantry Division, they came in at St. Tropez.

He had one of his closest calls with death near Aix en Provence, he talked about that place a lot. Old dad had affection for France and the people there. I remember him talking about big battles at places like Bescancon, Kaysersberg, the whole Colmar pocket region, going thru the Vosges mountains in the dead of winter stuff like that.

You'll enjoy all the talk about lever guns here!

Geoff

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:44 am

Welcome aboard

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Pop Watts · Post by **Pop Watts** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:10 am

Welcome along Dominique,
i was in Paris in November 2008 and was suprised at how many lever guns I saw in two gun shops I found while I was there.
Great looking take down, what else do you have???
Pop.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:21 am

Bienvenue

Hope I got that right

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:28 pm

Welcome to the fire! Great to see a fellow levergunner coming from Europe. Wish there were more of you!!!

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:42 pm

Looks like a 95 Russian Musket in there.
Very Cool!

Mine has a Spainish Loyalist cartuche on the stock.

Amazing how those things got around.

jason

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:49 pm

welcome to the fire. enjoy

Hunter4570 · Post by **Hunter4570** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:38 am

Hi,
Iwill try to answer some of your questions. Yes we can own rifles and handguns in France but with some restrictions. We can even own AR, AK, Sig, AUG and so on, but you need to apply for licences and you must renew every 3 years...

With lever guns most of the hunters who used them hunts wild boars, red stags, and roe deers in deep woods or un heavy and thick bush. Over kill for roe deer but more the better! Most of the hunting is made by driven hunts where range are short and shots must be fast, sometime really fast. For this sort of hunting you don't need 300-378Weatherby and scope bigger than Mt Palomar telescope. The big bore lever guns are good cause they anchor games and if the shot's not too well placed, leave a big, easy to follow blood trail. Some friends and i are using 45-70 and 444 mostly with stout loads of VN133 and Hawk bullets. I also use Montana cast bullet in 350grs. I sometime use my 94BB in 356 with Leupold 1-4x20 heavy duplex for longer range shots or with an Aimpoint H1Micro. It's rather effective. Some friends use 450Marlin in BLR or Guide Gun. At this moment i have an original 71 (call me criminal) being transformed in 50Alaskan with a stout 21 inch barrel. Bullet is HawK 450grsFP .035jacket at 2000fps.
Think will be enough...Naturally we use lever guns to shoot at range on paper targets and metal gongs from 25 to 300 meters when hunt is over. Most of us are long time handloaders.
I own two 95 in 405Winchester. The take down on the picture is too nice to go hunting but i practice some time with it. The other is an export model of 1913 with a three leaves rear sight and a custom made german silver front sight. She came from a former french military colonel in post in French Africa beetween the 1st and 2nd world war. I will bring it with me in Cameroun next year to hunt warthogs and antelope (buffalo too expensive for me)
It will be used with heavy jacketted Hawk 300grs bullets at around 2250fps with VN130.

For you my dear whose father landed near St Tropez: many thanks. I'm leaving not far from here, they landed in Cavalaire. With friends leaving there we used to commemorate every year the landing with reneactors and original war machine (even Shermann tank and M8 armoured vehicule) but it's coming to an halt cause our good President, Commer in Chief don't like to see so much material on the roads...

I'll try to load some other pictures to share with you if you like it. On that one it's me with an original 95 in 30army aka 30-40Krag

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:21 am

Sounds like you have some nice shooters there, Dominique. Nice to hear about shooting experiences around the globe. Hope to get an education. I've learned a lot from Nath, gamekeeper, etc...

Hunter4570 · Post by **Hunter4570** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:59 pm

To Pop Watts

I've got some 86s in 45-70, 2x71s one being transformed in 50Alaskan with 21inch barrel, two 92s, one Browning 53 in 32-20, two 94s in 30-30 and 356, one Marlin CB in 45LC, five 95s one russian contract, two in 405 one is TD, one 35Winch TD with Lyman receiver sight and one carbine in 30-40Krag. Also got an not so common Marlin 336 in 356 Winchester. In Canada where i lived some time and go hunting one time a year i have an old model 99Savage in 300Savage with the small hole in the magazine that show you number of cartridges left.
I stopped hand gunning because of too much licences and documents you need, except black powder revolver. We have an SASS chapter in France but i don't like the way it goes and i stay away from them.
For mountain hunting i use a custon Alaskan Wilderness Remington 700 in 7mmRemMag with 2,5-8x36 Leupold VX3.

For Old Savage: yes the first smokeless powder came from France in 1885/6 but german and british were right behind and the US too. May be you don't know that, but US Ramshot spherical powders come from Poudreries de Clermont in Belgium but the plant belong to the french SNPE member of the eurogroup Eurenco '(SNPE, Vithavuori and Bofors). These powders were first made for the loading of NATO forces ammunitions in Europe using the Olin patent. It's globalisation, sometime hard to understand....

What rifles do you use for hunting or shooting? Does somebody has experiences with the new 338Marlin in lever guns at 200 to 250m? And the 308 Marlin is it better than the 307Winchester?

tman · Post by **tman** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:55 pm

welcome! your choice of firearms reflects your good tastes and intelligence

. you won't find a better site on the webb.

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