OT-armed robbery video, bad move

[Otto]

I was on the clerk's side until about the 35-second mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtsQNwfdIuM&NR=1

[Fairshake]

If you look close the robber went for his dropped gun and had in his hand and could have very well shot the clerk. As a former law officer and firearms instructor I would tell all my students that a wounded man can kill you. The robber is out of our vision and could have been trying to point his gun at the clerk. When you are in a shooting, you have a split second to decide all your moves. The courts and juries have months to make the decision on if you were right. I'm under the belief that I woulkd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. There was a FBI shoot out that I have the film of where 3 agents were killked by a man with mortal wounds. The doctors did not know how he kept shooting.

[deerwhacker444]

I think it's a fake. Probably some college film students work. I've never seen a surveillance video that sharp or in color. Also, the perp conveniently falls behind the clothes rack where we cant see what's going on. I vote fake.

[Old Ironsights]

I vote Fake too.

The clerk didn't aim the gun once... not even when he was supposedly standing over a still-moving "perp"

Note that he actually "fires" with the "gun" at the prone "robber" while holding it sideways & over his head.

[Bullard4075]

Fake.
Where is the clothes (on the rack) reaction to the muzzle blast.
Too clear, too clean.
Fake.

[Nath]

I think fake, there is alot of flash as if from blanks to my thinking. In saying that there is a reaction to the second hit and if it was staged it seems funny he ended out of shot of the camera, hmmmm I dunno

Nath.

[Nath]

Oh and if it is real I ain't got a problem with how it is ended. The perp brought it on him self period.

Nath.

[Otto]

Actually, now that I have watched it more closely, I see there is considerable muzzle flash, EXCEPT for the shot that supposedly made the thief go down.

If, for the sake of argument, it's real, I would have handled it differently once the guy was down. I definitely would not move the body after the fact.

[Borregos]

Nath +1

[Hobie]

Not aiming is not indicative of being fake or not. Don't know what is up with dragging the guy off-camera... The clerk does look disraught afterwards. Recoil looks real. Muzzle-flash appears realistic. I don't see a lot of damage to the attacker's upper body as he's dragged off. Interesting. Did you guys look at the other robbery clips that come up?

[Otto]

Yeah, I'm thinking it's fake now. Why was he standing so far away? Armed robbers seem to usually get right up in your face. Also, what made him turn his head, not suddenly, like he heard something, but sort of slowly, kind of like "I think I'll look over her now. Ooh, what a nice shirt!"

[C. Cash]

Yeah, I'm thinking it's fake now. Why was he standing so far away? Armed robbers seem to usually get right up in your face. Also, what made him turn his head, not suddenly, like he heard something, but sort of slowly, kind of like "I think I'll look over her now. Ooh, what a nice shirt!"

Dope, paranoia, and/or nervousness will make you do all kinds of stupid stuff that doesn't make sense. I think it is real. The reaction of the clerk after he shoots the guy is not really something that someone would script. I don't see a muzzle flash with the first shot that struck the robber though, which is a little strange. I'm sure glad it was the robber and not the clerk that got shot, but the video just leaves me sad all around to see someone get killed.

[El Chivo]

about the missing muzzle flash, it may have flashed in-between frames of video. Some of those security cameras have pretty slow frame rates and if the flash occured in between frames it wouldn't show up.

[C. Cash]

about the missing muzzle flash, it may have flashed in-between frames of video. Some of those security cameras have pretty slow frame rates and if the flash occured in between frames it wouldn't show up.

That could well be the cause indeed El Chivo. No matter who's right or wrong, it's been interesting to play detective and try and figure this out.

[AkRay]

Check the source of the video: ebaumsworld.com Their web site says "funny videos, funny pictures, flash games, jokes." Methinks that indicates this is a couple of guys making a video and not an actual robbery.

[Mike D.]

If you haven't seen ebaumsworld, it's a prank website. Classic fakeroo "robbery".

[C. Cash]

Anybody make a crowburger?

[Hobie]

If a fake they did a credible job. Not what I'd consider funny.

[Sixgun]

Fake---robbers a white guy ---------Sixgun

[gundownunder]

When the clerk walks toward the downed "perp" have a look at the space between the till and the white item of clothing. Looks to me like the guy is still holding his gun and then swings his gun toward the clerk when he realises that he is coming toward him.

[Nath]

I would of thought we would see some reaction from the hanging clothes on the rail from the store keepers first few rounds, no?

Nath.

PS Yes, it is sad to see some one killed. To be honest it does leave you with mixed feelings.

[JohndeFresno]

It's a fake. Look at where he dragged the guy after shooting him four times - no blood trail.

[Ysabel Kid]

Oh and if it is real I ain't got a problem with how it is ended. The perp brought it on him self period.

Nath.

+1

As noted, once the shooting starts, you shoot until the threat is removed. Even if your opponent has been hit, if they are still conscious, and still retain a weapon, you keep shooting. Too many LEO's - and civilians - have paid the ultimate price by assuming that a dying man is no longer a danger to them or others.

Only question I would have is why he moved the body. After disarming the robber, his first action should have been to make sure no one else posed a danger, then call the police, while leaving everything untouched.