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OT---question for you rifle 357 max users

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Been fighting with my Ruger that I rechamber to 357 max, using a custom reamer that I had Dave Manson make for me. I dimensioned it for use with the lyman 358627 bullet. Also been shooting some Lee 258-180gr fpgc bullets along with Remington 200gr rn bullets. Needless to say, the groups at 100yds would be acceptable for OOO buckshot at 10 yards, but not the rifle. Started low with 4227 and Lil Gun and got about 12" patterns that slowly went down to 6" patterns as the powder charge went up. With the Lee bullet, I finally would get 3 in a nice cluster, then 3 in a nice cluster about 4" away, then all over the place. The Remington bullet finally got down to around 4" group. Don't know velocity as I left my crony at home both times :(

Finally, with a near casefull of H4227 and the Lyman bullet seated as deep as I could ( a really compressed powder charge), I would chamber the round with the bullet in the rifling/leade about .050", and shot these for a sub-MOA group. Don't know if it was the bullet seated in the rifling (like breech seating) or because of the compressed charge and bullet in the leade that I got such good groups.

Would this indicate that maybe I need a hotter primer? I am currently using Remington 7 1/2 br primers. I also have some WW SR primers and some Fed SRmatch, and I might have some CCI sr primers, maybe some sr mag primers (about 25yrs old) to try. Thoughts anyone (especially Hobie--I know you like this cartridge--so do I) Thanks
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Not with Max, but with 360 DW, seating the bullets to engrave and cast .002" over bore size gave me the best groups in my Winnies. Mag primers and Lil'gun.
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Your Ruger what a number 1? :?:

I don't use Remington primers. I use CCI. While you can start more than 3% below max with L'ilGun you can't start "low" as you can with 4227 (IMR or H). Bullets have to fit the bore, i.e. be .001" to .003" over groove diameter.

These are my loads. They all (except for the 6 gr. Unique load, I didn't bother to try it at 100 yards) give 1½" or less at 100 yards.
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Hobie, when (if) I ever get that .357 Maximum rifle I eventually WILL get, you're the man for info!

One of these days.... 8)
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AJMD429 wrote:Hobie, when (if) I ever get that .357 Maximum rifle I eventually WILL get, you're the man for info!

One of these days.... 8)
That's quite a compliment. :oops:

I'm awaiting Dave Deering's new 190 gr. for the Mag and Max.
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Hobie,

I'll have an installment on your Mag/MAX bullets on the way in a couple of days :)

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Great info Hobie!
I have a Dan Wesson .357SM and settled on 17.5 of H4227 and a 200 gr jacketed bullet for my accuracy load and have not searched for anything else. I need to take the SuperMag out, it has been a wile! Like many I would love a levergun in this caliber.

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Yes, its a Ruger #1 rifle. Will try a different primer. Sizing my bullets to .360" diameter and right now the Lee 180gr is running just under 2,300fps with no leading and no idications of primer flattening or cratering. Guess I will keep on working at finding some more good loads. Thanks
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Thunder50 wrote:Yes, its a Ruger #1 rifle. Will try a different primer. Sizing my bullets to .360" diameter and right now the Lee 180gr is running just under 2,300fps with no leading and no indications of primer flattening or cratering. Guess I will keep on working at finding some more good loads. Thanks
Check that out... I think I see your problem. You are pushing that bullet too fast. Size to .359" as well.
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