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I have a Win 94AE 20" cabine in .44M that I want to scout scope. I know the XS system says it's permanent since you have to epoxy the mount to the barrel but I don't want permanent because it sounds, well, just so unreversable.
OTOH I didn't have to epoxy the XS mount on my .357 Marlin 1894C but I do realize it mounts differently than the Winchester version.
I guess my questions are: do I REALLY need to epoxy the Winchester XS mount or are they being overly cautious? Should I just look to trade the Win for a Marlin since I just plain prefer the Marlins anyway?
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If you'd said you liked the Winnies better than the Marlins, I'd say fix it on temporarily and shoot a few light loads just so you can see if you'll like it, then unless the gun is an 'investment' gun or 'wall hanger' go ahead and mount the sight on permanently (I'll bet if you really HAD to, the epoxy mount would be reversible, even if it meant disassembly, chemical or heat treatment, and re-bluing...). But since you say you really like Marlins better, I'd trade for one, or buy one (stimulate the economy you know) and do it that way.
IF you didn't mind getting a spare wood forend, or channelling the one you have some, you could probably use some sort of band/clamp mount - I've not seen a commercial one, but shouldn't be too hard to make one to anchor a section of Weaver rail, perhaps centered with set-screws and center-punched or shallowly-drilled holes. Big project, but if you wanted the Winnie, and didn't want to permanently alter it, but didn't mind using a spare forend when your mount was on it.
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Benchrest shooters glue in their actions to the stock all the time. Epoxy will hold quite well and when they want them back apart they just set the wifes iron on cotton and let it set on top of the reciever for half an hour and it will just pop apart with a mallet blow to the underside of the barrel.
Acetone will remove the left over glue.
AJMD, my Marlin preference is is mainly due to the side eject and the ability to scope easier. If I could afford to buy rifle I would but I can't so I won't. Now if someone GIVES me one...
I may just try the method Chuck suggested.
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
Simply stated, the Marlin '94 was designed for short cartridges, the '94 Winchester was not. That being said, the '92 Winchester has it all over the Marlin, both in strength and functionality. Go ahead, fire away you Marlin lovers.
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Mike D. wrote:Simply stated, the Marlin '94 was designed for short cartridges, the '94 Winchester was not. That being said, the '92 Winchester has it all over the Marlin, both in strength and functionality. Go ahead, fire away you Marlin lovers.
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Buck
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Mike D. wrote:Simply stated, the Marlin '94 was designed for short cartridges, the '94 Winchester was not. That being said, the '92 Winchester has it all over the Marlin, both in strength and functionality. Go ahead, fire away you Marlin lovers.
Ok, I'll bite. Its stronger no doubt & a great desigbn. I have a Rossi repro myself & love it. But functionally none of the Win lever designs come close. John Browning was a genius engineer & gun maker, but his lever action creations were very complex in nature. My Rossi uses a dozen parts to do what a Marlin does with 3. My 94 I traded off was the same, I dreaded taking them apart.
I might be wrong but in my view a large part of functionality is simplicity of design & ease of maintenance. Much as I like the 92 design theres no contest.
As to Awp's original question I probably would not epoxy a sight or mount on it. I'd sell it & buy a gun made by a gunmaker instead of a tailor.
.45colt wrote:I have both. and have had the............................."Marlin Jam". .it happened to Me.
Dat's hokay, I've had the brass bounce off the scope on the Legacy 94AE and fall back into the chamber. Disconcerting to say the least...
FWIW, I have Win 94s, Marlin 1894s and a lone Rossi .45C. I like the side eject of the Marlin as well as the abilty to easily scope the Marlins since I don't always like to wear my glasses while hunting.
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
They recommend the epoxy because of the variety of barrel contours. It provides a perfect fit. You can coat your barrel with vasoline or an epoxy release and use the epoxy. It will fit perfect. Remove it after the epoxy is set up and trim off the excess.
I have a Win 44 mag Trapper and think it's awesome. I've thought about doing this.
Mike D. wrote:Simply stated, the Marlin '94 was designed for short cartridges, the '94 Winchester was not. That being said, the '92 Winchester has it all over the Marlin, both in strength and functionality. Go ahead, fire away you Marlin lovers.
.45colt wrote:I have both. and have had the............................."Marlin Jam". .it happened to Me.
THAT's why the Winchester uses more parts to do the job... because Marlin's 3 parts don't always work together like they should, and there's no backup...
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Buck
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Mike D. wrote:Simply stated, the Marlin '94 was designed for short cartridges, the '94 Winchester was not. That being said, the '92 Winchester has it all over the Marlin, both in strength and functionality. Go ahead, fire away you Marlin lovers.
Strongly disagree.
You can disagreee all you want, and it still does not make it so...
Have had more of each (Marlin/Winchester) on my bench than I could hope to count. The '92 Winchester has the fewest problems -- most are related to ham-handed operator malfeasance -- while the Marlins suffer from premature wear that will no longer allow them to work as intended.
The '94 Winchester in pistol-cartridge persuasion is a perversion of design. Some work in spite of themselves, some will not.
Regards
Buck
Life has a way of making the foreseeable that which never happens, and the unforeseeable, that which your life becomes...
Unless you have to drill or file on the metal nothing is permanent unless you want it to be.
Heating the epoxy up with a heat gun (200F-250F) will soften it enough to remove it. Use 400grit wetsand to remove the residue. Then just touch the area up with some bluing compound.
It may not be a 100% perfect restoration after removal but the epoxy mount WILL come off
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Mike D. wrote:Simply stated, the Marlin '94 was designed for short cartridges, the '94 Winchester was not. That being said, the '92 Winchester has it all over the Marlin, both in strength and functionality. Go ahead, fire away you Marlin lovers.
Strongly disagree.
You can disagreee all you want, and it still does not make it so...
Have had more of each (Marlin/Winchester) on my bench than I could hope to count. The '92 Winchester has the fewest problems -- most are related to ham-handed operator malfeasance -- while the Marlins suffer from premature wear that will no longer allow them to work as intended.
The '94 Winchester in pistol-cartridge persuasion is a perversion of design. Some work in spite of themselves, some will not.
And yet the Marlin plant is still in production and easy to get parts from!
Its stronger no doubt & a great desigbn. I have a Rossi repro myself & love it. But functionally none of the Win lever designs come close. John Browning was a genius engineer & gun maker, but his lever action creations were very complex in nature. My Rossi uses a dozen parts to do what a Marlin does with 3. My 94 I traded off was the same, I dreaded taking them apart.
.it happened to Me.
