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This post should really be called "Adventures in Gunstock Refinishing" because it ended up being just that! :lol:

About a month ago I came across this rifle at a local gun show. The seller indicated to me that it was a unusual SMLE made in the USA by Savage Stevents for Britain as part of the Lend Lease Program. It was all covered in cosmoline although the seller indicated he had cleaned the bore and it was excellent. It appeared to be a good speciman. I immediately called my best friend on his cell phone, and he promptly did a search on the internet and it turned out that the facts about the rifle were correct. It was made by Savage in 1942. I walked around the show for about a half-hour considering the purchase. In the end, this rifle just called to me.

My best friend has an older #1 model and his particular Enfield was what started my interest in firearms years ago. So it seemed the thing to do.

As some may recall, I posted a question about how to remove cosmoline from old rifles. I ended up dismantling the rifle and cleaning the metal parts in a bucket of Karosene oil. Then I oiled them with WD-40 and lightly buffed all the parkarized metal parts, even the screws, with 0000 steel wool. I blasted them with brake cleaner, then oiled them with WD-40 again. The metal parts on this rifle are in very good shape (the receiver in particular) and the bore showed no signs of copper fouling after cleaning. I'm honestly not sure it has been fired. The two groove bore looks pristine.

The wood was a real adventure. I used Murphy's Oil Soap at a concentrated ratio and hot water in a bucket. This worked very well but alas it removed the original finish as well. Darn. However, I did find two thin cracks that needed repair and I would not have found them otherwise. Later these peices of wood could have broken off completely if not repaired.

I steamed out the dings with a hand held steam cleaning device that worked pretty well actually. I wanted to leave some dings in her for character but not so many that the rifle looked terrible. I did use wood filler on two big gouges. After examining the wood, it looked really "blotchy". I was afraid it was going to look really bad after refinishing.

After consulting with the paint/wood guy at Friedman's I decided to use wood bleach. This was a mixed bag. I could not get the blackened areas out of the stock where it had been handled with human hands and driven the cosmoline into the wood very deeply. I suspect this is so because the spots are exactly where the thumb and fingers would be on a right handed shooter. The bleach did reveal a lot of grain the was not present before, but it also streaked some. It also left a grey patina on the wood that I did not like. So, while I didn't want to sanding it seemed the better course of action. I used 100, 150 and 220 grit. This seemed to be darkening the wood again, which I thought was a good sign. I finished with the 0000 steel wool.

At this point, since I had completely screwed up the originality of the rifle, I decided to use Watco Danish Oil in cherry as I wanted to restore the "aged boiled linseed oil" appearance if I could. I saturated the wood 3 times and wiped it off. IT LOOKED TERRIBLE! The pigmentation in the Watco oil was not absorbing and the appearance looked like a yellow stained 70 year old 2x4! :shock:

Before the oil had a chance to cure I raced back to the hardware store and purchased some Sedona Red stain from Minwax. I came home and kept applying it, and wiping it off in 5-6 minute increments. Every piece got at least 15 minuts of stain time, and some more! It was starting to look pretty good though. Even when I thought I was done and the crisis averted I went back with a small brush and touched up areas trying to blend them some.

The next day I looked it over. I was only modestly pleased, but it was better than what almost happened with the Danish Oil. I waxed the wood and just put the rifle together today. After putting it together, I'm actually pleased with the appearance. It is a handsome rifle in good condition. The forearm just feels so right in the hand.

I had found some period correct 303 Brit ammo milled in 1940 that comes in the trapazoidal box similar in shape to the magazine. The rifle even came with a bayonet but from a #4 Mark II however. Looks good enough. So except for the cleaning kit in the butt stock and charger clips it is a complete package. I plan to get those very soon.

I hope to shoot it over Christmas break. I've never done anything like this before-it is a first time effort. But I'm satisfied with the results. :D Anyhow, here are pics of the completed rifle with its sling.

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I neglected to mention that I decided to name this rifle "Old Savage" in honor of my friend.

Here are more pics. The wood is a little funky in places but overall I'm satisfied. They just add to her character for me.

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Sweet looking Savage!

I'll have to post some photos of mine when I get home.
She's had some hard miles but is a super shooter.

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What a great looking job. You have a talent for this. :D
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Nicely done, Tutt.

I am doing my No.5 wood and the forend is noticeably darker than the than the buttstock and handguard. Just wondering what you used to bleach your wood?
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Good work Tutt, thats a little belter.
I look forward to the shooting report.

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Bruce, I used Klean Strip Wood Bleach. It comes in two bottles and you mix them, apply and let dry. Its a little tricky to use-I did have some streaking. It was not ususual for the armorers to use stain as they were instructed to match the wood during repairs. It might be easier to darken the rest then bleach the one part. Good luck with your project and please let me know how it works out for you!

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Jason B. I look forward to the pics! These rifles just feel right. I hope to handload for it in the next few days.

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Tutt,

Ya done well! The metal on the gun looks exceptional as well. Neat specimen to play with. :D In the future, if your having a problem with "problem wood", see below.

I don't like to do this but I'm going to let a secret out as the good boys on this board deserve to know everything :D . The stuff pictured below is the best stain I have ever used for any kind of wood. In redoing Winchesters, just one coat will give it that "red" look. On Military guns, several coats will give it that dark rich look most always seen on military guns, especially Trapdoors, old 03's etc. It really covers up dug in grease stains and other "sore spots" on wood.

It is alcohol based and dries in minutes---stains the living h**l out of your skin too! I buy it at gunshows but I think they have a website. Just google Chestnut Ridge Supply. They are located here in Pa.-------------
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Here ya go Tutt,

I picked her out of a pile of Enfields at a show 8-10 years ago.
Most of the original finish was gone but it had that "been there, done that " look and a perfect bore.

First Savage marked action cover I've ever seen too.
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I think I'm going to have to take to old girl out this weekend :D
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Tutt, that looks real nice :D :D :D
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Sixgun, I could have used that product! If I had to do it over again, I would skip the Danish oil and have used a red chestnut stain. That probably would have worked great.

Jason that action cover is neat! Never seen one of them before. I will have to keep my eye out for one on Gunbroker. Maybe I will get lucky.

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You did a fine job with that rifle, you should be proud.

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Tutt,
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Nice work, Tutt. Good on ya. :D
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Scott, I just about had a coronary when you posted about my Enfield. Thanks for the sentiment and I hope you are able to stick around.

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Looks great Tutt! An American Made Enfield....can't beat that!
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Great job on that No. 4 8), I wish mine looked like good!
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I think "rare" would be an overstatement but the collector demand is higher because it appeals to both Enfield AND Savage collectors as well as the US militaria collectors. Broad appeal and relatively limited production equals higher price and relative reluctance to release them from collections. However, the metal finish on that one is really good! Most I've seen were like 2ndovc's or worse. Neat and thanks for sharing. The No.4s are the best bolt rifles ever made (at least I like them best). :wink:
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Tutt -

You did a fantastic job! That rifle looks like it is ready to give you years and years of fun!!!

Congratulations - and thanks for sharing the pictures! 8) :D
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Tutt, looks nice, looking forward to reading your range report.
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Thanks guys! I'm glad I bought him. I named it Old Savage in honor of my friend. I've been getting some help in how to handload for it from Jeremy Reed and Old Savage as well as reading various manuals. I think I can make something that will shoot well.

The trigger is way to heavy for me, but Mic McPherson has agreed to tinker it for me when I see him in April.

If anyone else has pics or knowledge of these, please feel free to share.

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Here's an old trick I learned many years ago about stripping/getting old grease out Mil-Surp stocks:
Get some sudsy amonia and 0000 steel wool. scrub the stock with the amonia and steel wool, rinse and repeat as needed. Once you have rinsed the stock just put it out in the sun to dry. I have used this on some really grungy/oily stocks and they came out like they were made yesterday.
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Tutt,

Be carfull with these things. They can be qite addictive, at one time I had about thirty.

This one's my favorite;
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Jason, that one looks in better original condition than mine! Looks like your stock is walnut and not birch like mine. How many grooves did that one have?

I'm hoping Jeremy Read will post pics of his. It was mint when he was given it.

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CowboyTutt wrote:Jason, that one looks in better original condition than mine! Looks like your stock is walnut and not birch like mine. How many grooves did that one have?

I'm hoping Jeremy Read will post pics of his. It was mint when he was given it.

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I'll have to take a look down the barrel when I get home.

This one is marked FTR for Factory Through Repair. My Dad and I were buying them 6 or 8 at a time from Century Arms and Southern Ohio Gun. Getting all carried away with different markings and such. I kept the best shooters and sold off the rest. My Dad has racks of them.
When I got this one it looked like a belt sander w/ 80 grit paper had been taken to the stocks and left that way.
I sanded it just enough to take the rough off and oiled it.

I've got a nifty cast bullet load for you too. I'll have to look that one up when I get home.

Also a .315 Hornady round ball and 6 grains of 4064 is a hoot too!


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I hope your cast bullet load uses commercial cast bullets as I don't cast my own. I am interested in the data though.

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Yes the gun was made for lend lease, but not RARE. They made close to a MILLION of these. That was, if I remember right about 1/5th the total production. I don't have my Skinnerton handy right here. If you really want to delve go to 303 British .com. Yours looks about ready to issue right now. I think I may have a couple of Savage marked spikes if you need one.
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Me either.
I get them from a guy in PA that makes pretty good stuff. They're about $9/ 100.
He casts a 200 gr .313 FP gas check that I also use in my 7.62x54s.
With 21 Grains of IMR 4198 it's a great target/ woodchuck load.
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I'll PM his email add. He also sells on Auction Arms under the name BurnhamBill. Nice guy.

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Thanks Jason, I would appreciate that info. KC I sent you a PM. You guys have been a big help in showing me what is out there for these rifles.

Incidentally I never used the word "rare". I said it was "unusual". I think they only made these for two years. I'd be curious how the production numbers compare to other versions of Enfields. I have no idea as of yet.

Anyhow, I just thought it being a Savage suggested a quality firearm and it was in pretty good shape too so I bought it!

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CowboyTutt wrote:Jason, that one looks in better original condition than mine! Looks like your stock is walnut and not birch like mine. How many grooves did that one have?

I'm hoping Jeremy Read will post pics of his. It was mint when he was given it.

-Tutt
Ok since you twisted my arm. :wink: :lol: That wood came out great Tutt you done good cann't wait for the range report.

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Mine is also a Savage production No4 Mk1*. I will have to take some better pics. When I got mine and cleaned it up I used furniture stripper to get rid of the cosmoline of course it got rid of the original finish also. After clean up I aplied libiral amounts of plain MinWax paste wax it made for a very blond stock. Over the years it has gotten many coats of Hoppes gun oil and it has darkend nice with age.

Note of caution Tutt if you fire those MilSurp rounds make sure you clean the bore completly they had corosive primers.
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Jeremy, that is a sweet #4 Mark 1* all right! Helps me to see what mine should look like.

I won't be shooting that ammo. Its collector stuff to go with the rifle! :D

Speaking of which, I just got my handloading bench up and running tonight. I STILL could not chamber the new Rem cases even after sizing. I found a little burr of suspicious red/brown stuff. I could swear its Cosmoline. The seller had told me he had cleaned the bore and he did, but the chamber still had too much residue to even chamber a dummy round.

Considering I found some Cosmo inside the stock it leads me to conclude one of two possibilities. It was shot, fired and cleaned and dipped in Cosmo a second time. Or it is unfired. I tend to think the latter? Did they ever get dipped a second time?

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Not suprised about the chamber. Give it solid cleaning and try to see if a round will chamber after that. One thing to mention if you want your brass to last awhile just neck size after the first fireing this will allow the brass to form to your chamber. The enfields have sloppy chambers to allow for dirt sand and mud full length sizing every time will cause the brass to over work and wear out before its time. After 4 or 5 reloads do a full length resize just to put it back to spec.
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Man, All you guys with these cool bolt actions. :D I have been missing out on a lot over the years with leverguns :D .

All bs 'en aside, the bolt guns you have are about the only ones that have ever interested me. Neat piece of history there. While I have a few long range jobs, they sit in the back of the safe. The only one that gets "frontage" is a WW2 Smith Carona 03A3------------Sixgun
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Jeremy, she chambers fine now. I found some cosmo all over my cleaning rod from the other night too. Apparently the seller did not clean the bore and chamber very throroughly. Old Savage told me the same about neck-sizing. I'll be getting some Lee Collet dies next. Thank you for that info though!

Sixgun, I'm with you all the way. I was really looking for an EBR pre-election, but just couldn't find one I really liked! This is my substitute for an "assault rifle" I guess! It does fire pretty fast.

I also want to see what it will do at the Friends of Billy Dixon Range.

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CowboyTutt wrote:Jason, that one looks in better original condition than mine! Looks like your stock is walnut and not birch like mine.

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Thanks for posting that, Bruce. It certainly was not Birch! :lol:

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The addiction starts -soon they will mulitply!You will need a No1mk3 and on and on......Good job on the rifle!
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Thanks Model55, but to be honest I don't do repetition or redundancy in my small collection (I swear to the All Mighty I cannot spell tonight!). Diversity is the rule! Just ask Old Savage who knows what I own. But I do like Enfields for many reasons and I have a good one. That is enough. NEXT! :lol:

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I have no idea why he bought this rifle - wild hair (hare) - but he is very eclectic in his taste and gives them all due attention and more - I am always interested in where he will take this stuff. :)
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My No. 5 built in 1947.
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Ah, like to have a birth year gun - this might be a good choice if I could find one. :mrgreen:
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Bruce, that is the nicest #5 I have seen. The seller of my own #4 Mark 1* also had one of these at the gun show, and for more money, but it was nothing like yours. I prefered the one I purchased but I admire the #5's as well.

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I had one years back in 303 Brit. Good round to shoot and great rifle to handle . I think I payed something like 12 dollars including the shipping. iN about '59 or '60......................Loved it .. Yours looks mighty fine !!!!.........Mutt
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