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My wife just got this from her sister in Australia. I have not checked it with Snopes so I'm not vouching for it. However I've never read anything written quite like this about Obama before. I found it curiously interesting.
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Prior to Barack Hussein Obama's ascension to the lofty position as head of the democrat party and presumed nominee for president, the issue of his true religious faith and loyalty has been in question. Personally, I could care less as to what Barack Hussein Obama is, was or is not. However, the issue of honesty is always something one looks for in a presidential candidate, unless of course, the candidate is a Liberal-Socialist Democrat.

When such a person emerges in the democrat party, he or she is given a pass by the partisan media. Veracity and character are simply non-issues in either the democrat party, or the mainstream media. The unregulated, partisan media, solidly in the tank for Obama could care less as to his honesty or his loyalty to the nation for that matter. Our mainstream media luminaries are dishonest, disloyal and disingenuous. They support Liberal-Socialists of the same character, or lack of it.

If Barack Hussein Obama is to be elected president, almost immediately there will be massive eruptions of protest, no doubt
violent protest in the Muslim world. Why you ask, would Muslims object to Obama as president? After all, isn't he one of them? In short, yes and no. While Obama was a Muslim, he publicly denies any affiliation at any time, with the Muslim faith. So what is the problem, you ask?

In 1995, I shipped off to the Middle East on orders. It was an accompanied tour and my family was afforded the dubious opportunity to live in the Muslim world for several years. My stepson was 12 years old at the time. Since I was a registered Christian with the Ministry of Justice, by law, my stepson was registered as a Christian. Had I been a registered Muslim, my stepson would have been registered as a Muslim!

The point here is that the religion of the foreign mother is of no consequence in the Muslim world. The status of my wife's religion was never asked. It was assumed, I'm sure, her religion was the same as mine. That's the way it is in the Muslim world. Women are not afforded much in the way of status in the Muslim world, and Obama's mother was no exception.

Islamic law is consistent throughout the Muslim world. Children of a Muslim father, even secular Muslims, those who rarely attend mosque services, rarely keep the Ramadan fast, and the Eid holidays, etc., are automatically Muslims. The child of a Muslim father, is a Muslim. There is no wiggle room here. Koranic law is the law!

Barack Hussein Obama lived in Indonesia as a child. His mother, no doubt, was a convert to Islam, as a Muslim will not marry a non-Muslim, at least not publicly or officially. Obama's mother was married twice to Muslim men. Young Barack Hussein would not have lasted long in a Madrasa, if he weren't a Muslim. Peer pressure alone would have been intolerable, yet young Obama attended the Madrasa for several years. Make no mistake about it; he attended AS A MUSLIM. There would have simply been no other way.

During Obama's childhood in Indonesia , the world's largest Muslim country, he attended an Islamic school, we know as a Madrasa. Young Barack Hussein would have studied the Koran, the Haddith and the Sunna. He would have received indoctrination in the Muslim faith, just like the other boys his age and at his level of schooling. Young Barack Hussein would have participated in the five daily prayers, either in a prayer room at his Madrasa, or at a local mosque.


Obama has attempted to mask his early religious training and affiliation, but anyone who knows anything about the Muslim
religion easily sees through the charade. So what, you say. Why should we care about all of this? The reason is simple. In the
Muslim world, Barack Hussein Obama is an APOSTATE. An apostate is a person who has turned his back on Islam. In short, you can't quit the Islamic faith. It is simply not allowed in Islam!

Of course there are many men and women who do just that. They convert to other faiths for a variety of reasons and for the most part, do so with impunity. However, each and every man or woman who quits Islam and professes belief in another faith, such as Christianity, Judaism or whatever is subject to being killed, in the name of Allah! The Koran demands that an apostate be killed.

Is it of any consequence, you continue to ask, that Obama was once a Muslim, but is now a Christian? Obama is an apostate and it's a very serious issue with 1.4 billion Muslims around the world. Experts on Islam generally agree that someone who is born a Muslim (in effect, someone who had a Muslim father), who later renounces Islam, is considered an apostate, and a vile enemy of Islam. Again, it's Islamic law almost universally.

Should Obama become U.S. commander in chief, there is a strong likelihood that Al-Qaida's media arm, As-Sahab, will exploit Obama's background to argue that an 'apostate' is leading the Global War on Islam and is attacking and killing fellow Muslims. The suggestion that Obama is an 'apostate' leading 'Crusader Forces' will be screamed across the Islamic world and used to galvanize sympathetic Muslims into action. The apostate tag will be a powerful propaganda weapon that Al-Qaida will use to marginalize America 's Middle East allies, causing enormous difficulties in maintaining alliances with moderate Muslim countries in efforts to neutralize Al-Qaida and other radical Muslim elements.

There is no doubt that if Obama is elected President of the United States, he will be renounced by many as an apostate. Somewhere, some Imam, Mullah or Ayatollah will issue a Fatwa condemning Barack Hussein Obama, and essentially in so doing, will issue a death warrant for his murder. Anyone remember Salman Rushdie? All he did was write a book that the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran thought had 'insulted Islam.' Rushdie has been in hiding for years! The Fatwa issued against him cannot be rescinded by anyone other than he who issued it. Since Khomeini is thankfully under the sod, the Fatwa is still valid. Anyone who successfully murders Salman Rushdie is guaranteed paradise and a good place in paradise!

Can a Fatwa be issued against a President Obama? You betcha! As if that isn't bad enough, IF a Fatwa is issued against Obama, no Middle East leader interested in his own skin will dare sit down and speak with him. Not even the Iranian nutjob Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is that stupid! It may come to pass that Obama will have no alternative but to run off to Caracas to see his soulmate Hugo Chavez, or scurry down to Havana to pay homage to the Castro brothers, and kneel at the altar of Che Guevara.

An Obama presidency will be problematic for many reasons, but on the foreign policy side, not even old Joe Biden will be able to save Obama's bacon in the Muslim world. If the American people are so taken with Obama's promise of change, they will be sadly disappointed with Obama and his ineptness.

Obama is not qualified to serve as president. Even HE knows the problems he will face as an apostate in the Muslim world. So, as president, Obama will have only one choice to avoid the difficulties I've articulated above. In order to avoid the tag of
apostate, the probability of immediately being ostracized and shunned in the Muslim world; and to avoid a death threat in the form of a Fatwa, Obama will be forced to declare himself a Muslim.

While it may seem unlikely that Obama will fess-up to his Muslim faith, don't be surprised if shortly following his inauguration, in January 09, he does just that!
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Interesting piece for sure. we will see how it pans out as it now looks like he will be elected.
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Here comes the thread killer, watch out! :D

Which school of Muslim exactly is Obama from? In regards to abortion it offers a conundrum for those concerned with secret Muslims, the way I see it, since he's for abortion he's a pretty poor Muslim no?

(I don't believe the fellow is a Muslim)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... on_1.shtml
"The Islamic view is based on the very high priority the faith gives to the sanctity of life. The Qur'an states:

Whosoever has spared the life of a soul, it is as though he has spared the life of all people. Whosoever has killed a soul, it is as though he has murdered all of mankind.
Qur'an 5:32
Most Muslim scholars would say that a foetus in the womb is recognised and protected by Islam as a human life."

Just thinking out loud, Obama won't get my vote, McCain won't get my vote, ya see they both voted for the bail outs, something very real, I think there's even records of the votes. :wink: :D

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I don't go with the apostate thing any more. First, Muslims permit deception as tactic in warfare. Dressing as, living as, even worshiping as an enemy to blend in is permitted. The 9-11 guys did all that. Second, Muslims around the world are hailing Obama as one of their own and apparently contributing to his campaign to the tune of $20-63 millions. Obama even slipped :?: in an interview and said his religion was Islam. It also appears to be true that until Obama joined Wright's church (as recommended for his political aspirations) he did not renounce Islam. I wonder if this is why Farrakhan has supported him (at least in part). Then again, Farrakhan has been welcomed by and welcomed Wright.

There are a lot of permutations to this.
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well, Scripture says satan is a liar, and the father of it. hussein is totally a liar and therefore is satanic. his entire schtick is demonic. so voting for barry hussein muhammed osama obama is voting for demonic government.

seems we already have too much of that going on...

time for real Christians to get a backbone and send barry back to the bacon factory.
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whether or not he's a muslim, we're in for hard times if he's elected.

marx and lenin will be smiling from their graves.
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Grizz wrote:well, Scripture says satan is a liar, and the father of it. hussein is totally a liar and therefore is satanic. his entire schtick is demonic. so voting for barry hussein muhammed osama obama is voting for demonic government.

seems we already have too much of that going on...

time for real Christians to get a backbone and send barry back to the bacon factory.
Muammar Gadhafi - Obama is a Muslim who studied in Islamic schools

Says Arab world campaign contributions 'may enable him to win U.S. presidency'

Posted: October 17, 2008
9:00 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
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JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim of Kenyan origins who studied in Islamic schools and whose campaign may have been financed by people in the Islamic and African worlds, Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said during a recent televised national rally.

"There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama," said Gadhafi in little-noticed remarks he made at a rally marking the anniversary of the 1986 U.S. air raid on his country.

The remarks, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, MEMRI, were aired on Al Jazeera in June.

The video also has been posted on YouTube and can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojgJuxD87FU

"All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man," continued Gadhafi. "They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency.

"We are hoping that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity, and in his faith, and that [he will know] that he has rights in America, and that he will change America from evil to good, and that America will establish relations that will serve it well with other peoples, especially the Arabs," Gadhafi said.

Gadhafi went on to lament statements Obama made at a June 4 address to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in which the presidential candidate stated if he is elected president, "Jerusalem would remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided."

But it seems Gadhafi was not aware that the next day, during a CNN appearance, Obama explained he meant Jerusalem shouldn't be physically divided with a partition and was not referring to the city remaining in exclusively Jewish hands.

Stated Gadhafi: "But we were taken by surprise when our African Kenyan brother [Obama], who is an American national, made statements (about Jerusalem) that shocked all his supporters in the Arab world, in Africa, and in the Islamic world.

"We hope that this is merely an elections 'clearance sale,' as they say in Egypt - in other words, merely an elections lie. As you know, this is the farce of elections - a person lies and lies to people, just so that they will vote for him, and afterwards, when they say to him, 'You promised this and that,' he says: 'No, this was just elections propaganda.' This is the farce of democracy for you. He says: 'This was propaganda, and you thought I was being serious. I was fooling you to get your votes.'

"Allah willing, it will turn out that this was merely elections propaganda. Obama said he would turn Jerusalem into the eternal capital of the Israelis. This indicates that our brother Obama is ignorant of international politics, and is not familiar with the Middle East conflict," Gadhafi said.

Gadhafi went on to express his hope if elected Obama will implement a "one state solution" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, meaning Israel would be flooded with millions of Palestinian Arabs who would terminate the country's Jewish nationality.

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He said he was worried Obama may have a "black inferiority complex" whereby he may enact "white men" policies to prove he is no different from "white" America.

"The thing we fear most is that the black man suffers from an inferiority complex. This is dangerous. If our brother Obama feels that because he is black he doesn't have the right to rule America, this would be a disaster, because such a feeling would make him act whiter than the white, and go to an extreme in his persecution and degradation of the blacks.

"We say to him: Brother, the whites and blacks in America are equal. They are all immigrants. America belongs neither to the whites nor to the blacks. America belongs to its original inhabitants, the Indians. Both the whites and the blacks immigrated to America, and so they are equal, and Obama has the right to hold his head high, and say: 'I am a partner in America. This is my land as much as it is yours. If it is not my land, it is not yours either. It is the land of the Indians. You are immigrants, and so are we.'"

Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'

Obama repeatedly has denied he is a Muslim. His campaign site states: "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

But as WND has reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim.

Obama's campaign several times has wavered in response to reporters queries regarding the senator's childhood faith.

Commenting on a recent Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque "something the presidential candidate said he never did," Obama's campaign released a statement explaining the senator "has never been a practicing Muslim."

Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta's Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as "L Soetoro Ma," worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.

Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students but exempt them from studying religion. Obama's school documents, though, wrongly list him as being Indonesian.

After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled "also as a Muslim, according to documents" in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.

Laotze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who visited the Besuki school, noted: "All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school, and a young 'Barry Soetoro,' being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam."

Indeed, in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," he acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies," wrote Obama.

The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama's childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim.

Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.

"At that time, I was not Barry's teacher, but he is still in my memory" claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.

The Kaltim Post said Obama's teacher, named Hendri, died.

"I remember that he studied 'mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze.

Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study.

Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual occasions) he looked funny," Amir said.

The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin Adi, who identified himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque, something Obama's campaign claimed he never did.

"We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Adi.

Friday prayers

Aside from a new website to fight purported smears, Obama's official campaign site has a page titled "Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." The page states, "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."

But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a "practicing Muslim" clarification to the Los Angeles Times.

An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputes Adi's statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama's declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of Obama.

But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.

"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia," states the Tribune article.

It quotes the presidential candidate's former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling Obama "occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."

Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune article "cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim" actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice confirms Obama attended mosque services.

In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

The Times' Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent," the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.

The first few lines of the call to prayer state:

Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet ...

Some attention also has been paid to Obama's paternal side of the family, including his father and his brother, Roy.

Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, the presidential candidate stated: "The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."

Still, Obama says he was raised by his Christian mother and repeatedly has labeled as "smears" several reports attempting to paint him as a Muslim.
I've never heard or seen one thing that makes me think he is a Christian. It raised this question for the obamabelievers: how does one 'become' a Christian, hmmm?
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donw wrote:whether or not he's a muslim, we're in for hard times if he's elected.

marx and lenin will be smiling from their graves.
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What does he eat? It would dang sure be interesting if some reporter would offer him a B.L.T., a rib, a porkchop, etc. and see what happens.
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Or...feed him something seemingly innocent like a green bean casserole or something and after he's eaten some tell him it was cooked with bacon drippings or fatback and see what his reaction would be. I've often thought that a good way to end the war in the middle East would be to just threaten to airburst some M.O.A.B.'s filled with pork fat over their major population centers where they couldn't help but ingest some. Perhaps they'd call off jihad right quick like.
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I've often thought that a good way to end the war in the middle East would be to just threaten to airburst some M.O.A.B.'s filled with pork fat over their major population centers where they couldn't help but ingest some. Perhaps they'd call off jihad right quick like.
I thought we should assure them we use pig fat for bullet lube. I'm sure my bullet lube has pig fat in it. But I like your idea, let's try it out on syria and see how they react.
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donw wrote:whether or not he's a muslim, we're in for hard times if he's elected.

marx and lenin will be smiling from their graves.
All religion is, is a bunch of people fighting over who has the best imaginary friend. I'm a helluva lore more concerned about Obama's Socialist ideas than who his imaginary friend is.

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Grizz wrote:
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donw wrote:whether or not he's a muslim, we're in for hard times if he's elected.

marx and lenin will be smiling from their graves.
All religion is, is a bunch of people fighting over who has the best imaginary friend. I'm a helluva lore more concerned about Obama's Socialist ideas than who his imaginary friend is.

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Not quite sure who my imaginary friend is supposed be.... Satan? Man's excuse for all the wicked things they delight in doing? :roll:

Getting back the main subject... the whole "Obama is a Muslim" thing that has been going on for months is pretty pathetic. The whole campaign against him has been pathetic. Rather than hammering him on real issues, the Right goes after his religion, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, the Pledge, etc, etc, and all he has to do is repeat "Hope" and "Change" and he's going to slide right into the Presidency.

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asked, and answered
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if anyone wants to know who hussein is actually, here are some videos where he reveals it:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/21/t ... ack-obama/
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Slick13 wrote:


Not quite sure who my imaginary friend is supposed be.... Satan? Man's excuse for all the wicked things they delight in doing? :roll:

Getting back the main subject... the whole "Obama is a Muslim" thing that has been going on for months is pretty pathetic. The whole campaign against him has been pathetic. Rather than hammering him on real issues, the Right goes after his religion, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, the Pledge, etc, etc, and all he has to do is repeat "Hope" and "Change" and he's going to slide right into the Presidency.





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Interesting the remarks thrown around at the "Sal in Harlem" episode (and rightly so) yet "edumacated" folks go on about the secret muslim. Maybe it's just conversation, but I haven't understood it from day one, perhaps the constant mentioning of it on "news" channels and the chanting at the rallys has something to do with it.

Kinda like a "Brittney Spears" story for "conservatives". :?: :(

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Muammar Gadhafi - Obama is a Muslim who studied in Islamic schools
Says Arab world campaign contributions 'may enable him to win U.S. presidency'
So you won't believe an American, will you believe Gadhafi? I mean he would know, right? His entire POV is posted above, did you read it? Sure doesn't sound like you've informed yourselves with any facts.

Does it concern you that somewhere around 60 MILLION DOLLARS of the money he's lying to you with is coming from the arabs who actually do believe barry is a muslim ?

What makes you such experts on barry's innermost being that you can assure me that he is not a muslim? Despite what the entire muslim world seems to believe? You gotta be kidding me. You'd HAVE TO HAVE INVISIBLE FRIENDS to actually KNOW this.

But I gotta say, Jesus loves you anyway, and died to liberate you.
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I'm not going to get into this much further, because it obviously goes over people's heads. I'll simply say.... Ultra Conservative, Right Wing, Christian America, you look like racist, bigoted, red necks when you bring up "Obama's a Muslim". You loose the respect of middle America (you know, the people you're trying to get to see things your way and vote with you), and you distract from REAL issues. Obama was a beatable canidate, but by focusing on Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, "is he or isn't he a Muslim?", and all the other stupid pelosi, is why McCain and a lot of the Republican Senate and House canidates are going to get beat, Capitalism is on the ropes, Socialism is coming, and the Constitution will hang by a thread.

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Bill Ayers and "rev" Wright are issues that deserve review, because Obama's personal associations speak to his character - especially when he spends a lot of time lying about those associations. If they were not questionable, then there would be no point in covering them up.

Of course, as a Chicago Pol, by definition almost ALL of his personal/political associations are suspect. :evil:
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I'm not sure but what Michael might be right. As a right winger we tend to place a lot of emphasis on a candidate's character. As far as I can see in the last few years that hasn't gotten us very far since most of what the other side puts up just plain doesn't have any. Look at Bill Clinton.

In short, everything we stand for, they don't.

All they want is what's ours. There was a time when "Christian charities" did a lot of the work that we have allowed Gov't to take over and we stood by and let it happen. Shame on us.
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Re: Politics: Obama, the Apostate ???

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well slick, it doesn't go over my head that you're part of the problem. a vote for a libertarian candidate is a vote for the democrat candidate, something that seems to have gone over your head. must be too complicated to figure out though.
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Re: Politics: Obama, the Apostate ???

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Grizz wrote:well slick, it doesn't go over my head that you're part of the problem. a vote for a libertarian candidate is a vote for the democrat candidate ...
Oh, really?

And if that vote is in a State that hasn't voted Republocrat in recent memory (or vice versa) why NOT vote your concience?

But then I don't see the Republocrats as worthy of nearly religious devotion.
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Slick13 wrote:I'm not going to get into this much further, because it obviously goes over people's heads. I'll simply say.... Ultra Conservative, Right Wing, Christian America, you look like racist, bigoted, red necks when you bring up "Obama's a Muslim". You loose the respect of middle America (you know, the people you're trying to get to see things your way and vote with you), and you distract from REAL issues. Obama was a beatable canidate, but by focusing on Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, "is he or isn't he a Muslim?", and all the other stupid ****, is why McCain and a lot of the Republican Senate and House canidates are going to get beat, Capitalism is on the ropes, Socialism is coming, and the Constitution will hang by a thread.

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I've voted Libertarian since I was 18, unless I truly believed there was a real need to vote for one another party, but I don't really care about a candidate's religion or sexual preference, but I DO note that we are really at ware with MUSLIMS, and that Obama, unlike the blacks ('afroamericans') I've known all my life, is a racist, hateful, hypocrite.

As for "middle America" - I have a hard time respecting "moderates" in that according to the two-dimensional Nolan chart, "moderates" include Stalin and Hitler.

Yes, you can be a skeptic of the Democrats, and a skeptic of the Republicans, but that can encompass everyone from Thomas Jefferson to Adolph Hitler. That's a rather wide spectrum of "moderates" don't you think.

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It may not be too late to stop him.

Read this: http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elect ... rg-v-obama

And send this far and wide (congressmen and news media):

[Addressee],

It has been brought to my attention that Obama (and the DNC) has defaulted on a federal lawsuit that reveals the true origins of his birth in Kenya making him ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States. Please investigate this press release and report your findings to the American people. You can find a copy of the press release here: http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elect ... rg-v-obama

Thank you for your attention in this matter of national significance,

[insert name]
[insert city, state where you live]


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Re: Politics: Obama, the Apostate ???

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Old Ironsights wrote:
Grizz wrote:well slick, it doesn't go over my head that you're part of the problem. a vote for a libertarian candidate is a vote for the democrat candidate ...
Oh, really?

And if that vote is in a State that hasn't voted Republocrat in recent memory (or vice versa) why NOT vote your concience?

But then I don't see the Republocrats as worthy of nearly religious devotion.
I think state races have lots of room for creative vote distribution. I don't think there's any stinking reason to vote for hussein, either by comission or by omission. The country is at risk and playing cutesy isn't a patriotic option. hussein is truly despicable, and I can't imagine how anyone is going to gin up much enthusiasm after the election by proudly announcing they helped osama win it. There is NOTHING less libertarian than what's coming at us if BHO "gets the presidency" as his darling bride is famously quoted as saying.

I totally agree that congress is a pack of scum sucking parasites and I think every single one of them should be turned out at every election. It's the last best hope of averting further disasters like the one they've perpetrated on us.

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Re: Politics: Obama, the Apostate ???

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I think state races have lots of room for creative vote distribution. I don't think there's any stinking reason to vote for hussein, either by comission or by omission. The country is at risk and playing cutesy isn't a patriotic option. hussein is truly despicable, and I can't imagine how anyone is going to gin up much enthusiasm after the election by proudly announcing they helped osama win it. There is NOTHING less libertarian than what's coming at us if BHO "gets the presidency" as his darling bride is famously quoted as saying.
I totally agree that congress is a pack of scum sucking parasites and I think every single one of them should be turned out at every election. It's the last best hope of averting further disasters like the one they've perpetrated on us.

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Quite a thing to say, give people grief because they have courage to do the right thing, and talking like folks voting third party don't know the Obama risk.

Just because some are afraid to do the right thing doesn't mean they should discourage others, or maybe it does. :?:

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