POLITICS - We are done!

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:50 pm

After tonight's debate it appears that Obama has won the Presidency. Not from my perspective, but the words of the leftist media have done their damage. America is now "comfortable" with Obama as chief executive, so it's probaly a done deal. Soon enough our rights will be stripped, our taxes raised to the breaking point, and the "freebies" for the non-working class will pour forth.

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:03 pm

I hope you're wrong, but I think you're right.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:05 pm

We are doomed

stew71 · Post by **stew71** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:12 pm

I don't know about that. This country made it through the Carter years....

My wife and couldn't make it through the first 20 minutes before we turned it off. Same ol' BS. Electing McLame or Osnoba would be like hammering a nail through your hand or your foot. Both will hurt like hell and both choices suck.

Watching this clap-trap debate reminded me of those old Peanuts cartoons when you heard Charlie Brown's teacher lecuring in class...."WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH...."

We decided to watch the pre-season Kings & Trailblazers game. Long gone is the day when you could actually get something valuable from the debates.

Idahoser · Post by **Idahoser** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:22 pm

This is the least important election in my lifetime. You get the same policies with either Senator.

rangerider7 · Post by **rangerider7** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:37 pm

It's not over till it's over! Get up and vote!!!!!!

Bogie35 · Post by **Bogie35** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:45 pm

The problem is not the politicians. It's the idiots who vote for them! America had the opportunity to vote for a better candidate in the primaries, but chose not to. Now we're stuck with McCain; a man who is so unconvincing that he probably couldn't even convince O.J. Simpson to break the law.

I will vote. But, I'm sad to say that this nation has become something other than America.

It might be a good time for all good men to ........................ stock up on ammo.

bogie

xtratoy · Post by **xtratoy** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:13 pm

I lasted 7 minutes and left to go reload ammo. I don't know why McCain doesn't grow a set and point out all of Obama's flip-flops when he says them. Why didn't he ask why he is all for drilling, coal plants, and nuclear power now, when just a month ago all we had to do was properly inflate our tires and save as much oil as drilling would get us.I have been following this election since it started 2 years ago and most people are just tuning in. Obama plays to the audience he is talking to at the moment.He seems to be a very convincing liar. Obama gets a free pass from the media and they won't investigate or report any harmful stories on him. Hopefully Palin can bring some attention to some of his glaring deficiencies. Excuse me while I bitterly cling to my guns. "I am not a racist! I hate everyone equally when I first meet them!" Good luck, America......

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:26 pm

I think as some people do that we have the intestinal fortitude to survive the next four years, that part I am worried about, but not to the point of despair.
I anguish over what 4 years of political correctness " cleansing " will do to our experienced knowledge base, IE the brain drain.
We are losing knowledge ( that is only gained through experience ) at an alarming rate, those people in possesion of that knowledge; are less inclined to share or pass on said knowledge to a generation of BRATS!
There is NO polite way to say this.
And we cannot blame them.
When I was young if you did not do what an old man told you to, you felt the sting of his cane!
Now we do not do that, we might damage his ego, or some such nonsense.

Post by **Old Savage** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:15 am

Well, I am not giving up. Try to win at each stage and don't give in. If obama gets in fight everything all the way.

L8agin · Post by **L8agin** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:08 am

The debates-what a waste-That was no town hall meeting. Tom B tried to run it Obama did as he wanted and McCain mist his chances.
McCain with his "work together my friends" will be liberal in effect.
Obama will socialize, take away freedoms and screw the constition and US the way he want's
McCain is a zero
Obama is a minus

Like OS said

" I am not giving up. Try to win at each stage and don't give in. If obama gets in fight everything all the way."
+1
L8

L8agin · Post by **L8agin** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:23 am

Last thought-wish McCain would wake up an come out shooting.
L8

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:31 am

stew71 wrote: Watching this clap-trap debate reminded me of those old Peanuts cartoons when you heard Charlie Brown's teacher lecuring in class...."WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH...."

I told my wife the same thing.

Post by **Hobie** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:49 am

Well you guys might feel the fight is won but it isn't won or lost until it is over. Get out there. Make donations, talk to friends & family, pray, and VOTE. We need each and every vote.

I believe there is a choice. It might not seem to be a great one but it is a choice between socialism and surrender of this country and destruction of our way of life, and benign neglect. I'll choose benign neglect over active interference every time. At the very least we need to avoid domination in the legislative branch by the socialists. This IS a very important election. If you don't vote you are giving a vote to the other side. Please, VOTE!

24thMICH · Post by **24thMICH** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:57 am

Hey Guys!!

Get out there and vote!!

A good number of the polls immediately after the debate indicated the average listener thought McCain won.

I'm not fond of McCain, but Obamammma's clearly the Darth Vader of this election cycle.

Don't quit until it's over.

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:16 am

My friend called me when the debate was over, and voiced my own thoughts; McCain gave answers, Obama slung empty rhetoric.

Watching TV this morning, I noticed most of the babbling heads were handing victory to Obama, which is exactly the opposite of everything I personally observe both in the debates and when talking to voters.

Once again, the media is brainwashing everyone to get what they want. If ever there was screaming evidence that there is media huge bias (like Bush vs Kerry wasn't enough proof), turning on the tv/radio/whatever and hearing the praises of this did nothing, says nothing Obama is certainly it. If something gets said often enough it becomes a truth.

I say BS.

The same "red states" that put Bush into office are still there. Despite what the liberal-controlled media would have you believe, we are still, by and large, a conservative country.

Get out there and encourage every red-blooded American to vote, and to back our experienced senator and war hero, John McCain.

I don't want to hear about how he's not perfect , how he's "crossed the fence" in the past, etc. He's the good guy here, and our best shot at keeping a conservative in the President's chair.

Be positive, get smart about the many negatives concerning Obama, and preach it to everyone.

I'm sorely disappointed at some of the faithless talk I'm hearing here

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Post by **Hobie** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:41 am

NEVER, NEVER SURRENDER!

rangerider7 · Post by **rangerider7** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:46 am

I have decided to not vote for any incumbent congressman. I don't want any professional politician in the legislature. They have made wrong, self centered, greedy decisions for too long. My one vote may not make a difference but I will feel better. I'm voting for McCain because he is a humble man. His best move was to choose Palin because she has never been in congress and has no experience on how to screw the American people. I'm rangerider7 and I endorse this thread.

Dastook · Post by **Dastook** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:14 am

Hobie wrote:Well you guys might feel the fight is won but it isn't won or lost until it is over. Get out there. Make donations, talk to friends & family, pray, and VOTE. We need each and every vote.

I believe there is a choice. It might not seem to be a great one but it is a choice between socialism and surrender of this country and destruction of our way of life, and benign neglect. I'll choose benign neglect over active interference every time. At the very least we need to avoid domination in the legislative branch by the socialists. This IS a very important election. If you don't vote you are giving a vote to the other side. Please, VOTE!

++++1

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:35 am

Good comments fellas. It's never over until it's over, and we know how much we can trust the media to tell us the truth about who won this, or who is leading that. Election day may well show something different. Take everyone you can to vote and get there yourself as Hobie said. They will for sure.

I am reminded of the life of George Washington during these times. He stood for what was right when many of his neighbors told him he was wrong(sound familiar?). He knew he would probably hang, but kept on doing what was right, even when his own people stabbed him in the back, after he lost battle after battle. But he prevailed at key moments and over the long haul victory was won. If we lose this to Obama then it is one battle. If elected, I say we mark it by buying a brand new semi Auto. I want the new Ruger Mini-14. Make a nice "Militia" rifle if you know what I mean

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Slick13 · Post by **Slick13** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:56 am

Whom ever wins this election, we lose. As stated in the video below, the Republicans and Democrats are complicit. Not just in the bail out, in everything. I am convinced more than ever that while they fight in public, the two parties work together behind closed doors to plot against the American People. They want us divided, they want us weak, and they want us dependent on them. By doing that they are able to take away our Rights and insure their futures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5waL8brexY

~Michael

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:02 am

If we lose this to Obama then it is one battle. If elected, I say we mark it by buying a brand new semi Auto. I want the new Ruger Mini-14. Make a nice "Militia" rifle if you know what I mean .

Well said

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Unfortunately, that one battle will spawn many more

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I say that we do that and more when McCain wins. We all need to kick it into overdrive keep conservatism growing.

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:14 am

Whom ever wins this election, we lose.

Since the media (and the political machine you refer to) successfully drummed Ron Paul out, we have no other choices.

We are still far, far better off getting strongly behind McCain/Palin. That is a step in the right direction, and it's something we can all have an effect on.

Making a good move is better than making no move.

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:44 am

I didn't see it, but do you really think the debates matter that much? Many Americans are on to the liberal game. And another thing, most of the young, wacky liberal types don't vote.

Did the debate change your mind? Well, then it won't change anyone else's.

But, if he does get in, it might be a chance to get Congress back in two years, if not right away. If you remember the Clantons went wacky right after getting in office, setting the stage for the '94 Republican sweep. After that, Bill did practically nothing.

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:06 am

The "debate" did nothing to change my mind. I am merely parroting the "newsies' who are so in love with "Obama the Great". It is them, and the polls, that have sealed the deal, as it were. Speaking of polls, have any of y'all EVER been polled concerning this , or any other, election? I certainly have not. Where do these "polls" take place? I can imagine that they are only polling a certain portion of the population, especially those whose circumstances dictate that the Government provide them with their daily necessities. In other words, the outcome is guaranteed. I am both sickened and saddened by the the entire situation.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:15 am

Mike D. wrote:The "debate" did nothing to change my mind. I am merely parroting the "newsies' who are so in love with "Obama the Great". It is them, and the polls, that have sealed the deal, as it were. Speaking of polls, have any of y'all EVER been polled concerning this , or any other, election? I certainly have not. Where do these "polls" take place? I can imagine that they are only polling a certain portion of the population, especially those whose circumstances dictate that the Government provide them with their daily necessities. In other words, the outcome is guaranteed. I am both sickened and saddened by the the entire situation.

+1 We're picking up what your throwin' down Mike! True indeed.

Homefront....you bet, either way a good idea to pick up a new Ruger Mini!

bogus bill · Post by **bogus bill** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:21 am

My thoughts are too many to try and list. First they are more basic. To start with, where has this idea ever came from that the goverment owes us health care? And McCain or anyone else wouldnt even get on the ticket without haveing some plan on it. 2nd, EVERYBODY is avoiding the illegal immigration problem because neither party has what could be anything approaching a solution! (or at least a real answer that would make them look like hitler!). I dont think there should have ever been a bailout, but both think they HAD to vote for it. As far as the economy answers, I was so snowed I couldnt see much difference in the answers. I do know that john has proven his patronism, and Obama hasnt even had a real job. And what gives that Obama cant or wont even produce a brith certificate, or any real paperwork of his past? He could have been born in ethiopia or anywhere, and no one calls him on it??
While things look gloomy, maybe gods hand is in it, with HIS own timeing?! Maybe things have to get even worse before better? I see Shara Palin as some sort of God sent mirrical, that will probley be a big player down the line, probley even president sometime in the future!
I look at the background of morals, where they are comeing from, and their people they have been keeping around them as to how they are likely to handle issues comeing up.
A couple things that really puzzel me is how the country is roughly divided 50/50 when you have some lieing liberal like Obama who probley is moselem leaning and educated, you would think the polls would be more like 98/02! It must be the company I keep? I never even knew but a handfull of liberals in my life! I must walk the dark side?
And one last thought. How in hell can each canidate call each other a liar, then go over and shake hands and pat each other on the shoulders? I know now that I was born a 150 years too late for sure!

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:33 am

WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME stuff WITH
JOHN KERRY....THAT MORON WAS ALWAYS AHEAD
IN THE POLLS........AND HE LOST!

Idiot · Post by **Idiot** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:50 pm

There was a time this board was filled with people "to ride the river with." Now it's filled with folks who want to curl up with a hot cup of cocoa and sit out the fight. And some who can't even tell the difference between the enemy (Obama) and a friend (Palin/McCain).

From last night's debate:

Obama will force parents to provide health care to their kids. Obama will force citizens to conserve energy. Obama will not defend Israel without approval of the United Nations. Obama declared that health care is a right. Obama says he will raise taxes on those who provide jobs in this country. Obama said he will give the money he takes from those who provide jobs and give it to the least productive of this country. Obama said he would invade the country of our ally, Pakistan, if he thinks Osama Bin Laden is there. Obama spent the entire night talking down to the citizens of the United States and partonizing those who serve in the military.

McCain said and did just the opposite of Obama.

Now don't get me wrong. I see McCain as nothing more than someone needed to stop Obama and a vehical for putting Palin, a true conservative into office. But I cannot ignore that Obama is in fact an enemy of this country and the freedoms it represents. And right now the only way we can stop this enemy is to elect McCain. And that is something we must do.

So, buck up boys. Turn off that Lifetime movie, pull up your boots and get out there and fight - VOTE.

rock-steady · Post by **rock-steady** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:14 pm

A must read article, especially the last paragraph.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/ ... e_e_1.html

quite appropo

slimster · Post by **slimster** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:25 pm

Idiot wrote:There was a time this board was filled with people "to ride the river with." Now it's filled with folks who want to curl up with a hot cup of cocoa and sit out the fight. And some who can't even tell the difference between the enemy (Obama) and a friend (Palin/McCain).

From last night's debate:

Obama will force parents to provide health care to their kids. Obama will force citizens to conserve energy. Obama will not defend Israel without approval of the United Nations. Obama declared that health care is a right. Obama says he will raise taxes on those who provide jobs in this country. Obama said he will give the money he takes from those who provide jobs and give it to the least productive of this country. Obama said he would invade the country of our ally, Pakistan, if he thinks Osama Bin Laden is there. Obama spent the entire night talking down to the citizens of the United States and partonizing those who serve in the military.

McCain said and did just the opposite of Obama.

Now don't get me wrong. I see McCain as nothing more than someone needed to stop Obama and a vehical for putting Palin, a true conservative into office. But I cannot ignore that Obama is in fact an enemy of this country and the freedoms it represents. And right now the only way we can stop this enemy is to elect McCain. And that is something we must do.

So, buck up boys. Turn off that Lifetime movie, pull up your boots and get out there and fight - VOTE.

Sorry Idiot, not making fun of your thoughts, just the "Freudian" slip;"Obama spent the entire night talking down to the citizens of the United States and partonizing those who serve in the military."...Where's Don Tomas or another of the Photoshop boys when we need them? (Visions of Military personel with HUGE "Dolly Parton" like breasts here!

Tennessee Hayre · Post by **Tennessee Hayre** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:37 pm

Hey Guys and Gals, HOBIE and others have it right. I told my wife last night (A born and raised Berlin Germany gun packing proud to be tennessee redneck ) after the debate I was fed up and will not vote this year. but she set me straight and said I may only be one vote but if I don't vote, I have no reason to complain about anything that happens. and I was thinking that if every conservative on this site votes that would be alot of votes. And even if McCain does not win because the american people have been brain washed to vote for this man or what ever you call him (Comie Trash) at the least we can get enough folks on our side in the house and senate to stop any bad thing from happening. Thats my take on the situation, so again(GET OUT AND VOTE) or you will not have anything to complain about..

donw · Post by **donw** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:26 pm

barry obama is VERY clearly, a LOSER, whether or not he wins the election...it's beyond me how people like him, chuck shummer, diane feinstein and many others, get elected in the first place. they have nothing, they begat nothing, they offer nothing, they give nothing but handouts and "gimme's" to a growing burden of ne'r-do-well's thriving within our national borders...a generation of "you owe us"...most of their efforts go towards getting RE-elected.

as also said by many here...resist all offered by him if he does get elected

i dread the throught of his wife just as much, if not more, being in the white house (black house?)...she's very clearly and openly a bigoted, racist of the highest order. al sharpton, jesse jackson and jerimiah wright will, no doubt, have rooms set aside for them therein.

i'm in the belief that we all should celebrate the election, no matter who wins, by purchasing a semi-auto, "militia-like" weapon as suggested earlier.

my selection will be the stag arms model 6L in .204 ruger since it's one of the commiefornia 'legal' ones available here.

it's not over until it's over...vote for the candidate of your choice. mccain can still 'pull it out'

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:42 pm

On a positive note, our much beloved Nancy Pelosi is in a very precarious position at this time and could very well lose her a**, er, I mean seat in the upcoming election. Her approval rating is at a well deserved all time low. The people are sick of her lack of accomplishments and extremely partison politics. Hopefully, it will be "sayonara" for the witch from SF.

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:46 pm

Bogie35 wrote:The problem is not the politicians. It's the idiots who vote for them! America had the opportunity to vote for a better candidate in the primaries, but chose not to. Now we're stuck with McCain; a man who is so unconvincing that he probably couldn't even convince O.J. Simpson to break the law.

I will vote. But, I'm sad to say that this nation has become something other than America.

It might be a good time for all good men to ........................ stock up on ammo.

bogie

For my money, the above says it all, and most accurately. You get what you ask for, and deserve what you get, America. But why do us good guys who vote intelligently and serve others have to pay the bill, too??

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:38 pm

Sheeple, John, plain and simple. The media influenced masses vote the way they are trained to and lack the ability to complete a sentence, let alone make an intelligent decision regarding the future of our Country.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:47 pm

JohndeFresno wrote:You get what you ask for, and deserve what you get, America.

Yep - same thing happened with health care. It wasn't "fair" that a person had to pay for a $4.00 urinalysis out of their own money, they wanted insurance to cover it (and everything else). Guess what, they and their union bosses pushed for it, and got it. Only problem is - now their premiums are $4,000 a year instead of $400, and the coverage is worse - the urinary tract infection will now cost a couple hundred dollars to 'evaluate' and their 'copay' will be at least $40 - they should have stuck with using their own money.

Now the rest of us who knew better have to pay for it.

okotoks · Post by **okotoks** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:59 pm

McCain is a war hero and his service to the United states is to be commended
He is not a Republican, it was just his turn. He is not a party member,
re Gang of 13, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, all the "immigration BS"
I have been disgusted with our party since they crapped out on Neut's "Contract with America"

I will still vote and vote for the R's but my heart isn't in it.

Most of us remember the Carter years, a few may have been born during them. We survived it. Darkness is coming, but maybe the result will be a cathartic to purge both the graft and gutless from the Republican party. Let the porkers join the dems, and gutless be trounced at the poles. Just maybe there has to be another Reagen out there some where who can rescue the country in 4 years, that is providing we are still having elections. Someone who can fuse Ron Paul's economics with a rational foreign policy intent on punishing the worst aggressors. Like it or not we are still the worlds best hope, 9/11 and the aftermath has shown that we can't bury our head in the sand, or expect that other nationalities hold our values either. Just like with teenagers we need to "pick our battles" and use our resources carefully.
high and dry in CO

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:02 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Yep - same thing happened with health care. It wasn't "fair" that a person had to pay for a $4.00 urinalysis out of their own money, they wanted insurance to cover it (and everything else). Guess what, they and their union bosses pushed for it, and got it. Only problem is - now their premiums are $4,000 a year instead of $400, and the coverage is worse - the urinary tract infection will now cost a couple hundred dollars to 'evaluate' and their 'copay' will be at least $40 - they should have stuck with using their own money.

Now the rest of us who knew better have to pay for it.

Like the freeloading hippies of the 60's (you know, the ones who are now in Congress) used to say, - "I hear that, m-a-a-a-n!"

45Jack · Post by **45Jack** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:29 pm

"...never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
Sir Winston Churchill

Obama campaign has neither honor nor good sense. Never give in.
J

Buffboy · Post by **Buffboy** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:18 pm

I watched my sister-in-law go slack jawed crazy when McCain picked Sarah. She was yahooing all over the place. What you don't see are the crowds at the campaign events all over the country that are turning out for a "unknown" VP nominee. Truth is, McCain events are just as well attended.

On the tube you see the same for the BHO but where are they? They are in the same hellholes they created with the same zombies they created.

Someone already mentioned it, Kerry was ahead of Bush too in the polls last time. The polls are the same ones as last time. The same, what, 500 people as last time? They were wrong then. You are trusting the MSM to tell you the truth? When they are so low and close to BHO that if he stopped suddenly he'd have a new definition of anal probe? The MSM are so in the tank for him but even their polls show it to be a nail biter that they are giving him gigadollars of free advertisement at every opportunity.

If we stay home is the only way they win. Go vote.

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:55 pm

The taslking heads are crowing about Obama's huge increases in campaign finances and spending in key states. He has outspent the "seriously lagging" John Mccain by as much as 8 to 1 in South Carolina alone. Hmmm. Obama is being sold to the American public as new hero who will save the world from the "Rebublican Ruination" of the last 8 years. Aren't they forgetting the last several years of DEMOCRAT control of both the House and Senate? It's all Bush's fault. Well, he's the scapegoat, anyway. I can't stand any more Democrat lies!!

Mutt · Post by **Mutt** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:35 pm

Looked like to me that Mac sat back and allowed the dumbo to screw himself. The media has always been liberal , Don't pay them too much attention, Just be dang sure you can show up and vote. We can vote on the day, and have several days for early voteing, Plus
You can have the papers mailed to you . NO EXCUSE !! ..................Mutt

66GTO · Post by **66GTO** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:55 pm

We need to start to looking to the future--post Obama. McCain is clueless. Like others, I will hold my nose and vote for him, but he is not the future of the conservative movement. Sarah Palin, or someone like her is. The sad part is that we had better prepare to wander our proverbial 40 years in the desert until the conservative movement is revived. If we are fortunate it will be 4 years, not 40.

George Bush has also set the conservative movement back at least a decade. The wrong Bush was elected in 2000. Jeb Bush would have made a much better President. In fact, his father expected Jeb to run, not W. What messed up Jeb's chances was, as usual, Democratic dirty politics. Jeb was running against Lawton Chiles back in the '90s and was in a close race. Just on the eve of the election the Dems begain "push polling" with the senior citizens asking them if they knew that Jeb was going to cut their Social Security checks? (nevermind that a the governor of Florida has nothing to do with Social Security). It was just enough to turn the election. If Jeb had been elected, it would have set him up to run for President in 2000, instead of W.

Yesterday Palin made a stop in Pensacola, Florida. When the stop was originally announced, it was planned for her to make a quick speech at a general aviation facility at the local airport to a few hundred people and the local TV cameras, hop back on the plane and leave. Well, so many people asked for tickets they had to move her appearance to the Civic Center. It was horrible rainy weather all morning but over 10,000 people stood in the rain for hours waiting to get in and see Palin for 20 minutes. They had to turn people away.

I bet you didn't hear that on the network news where you live did you? I guarantee you McCain would not have drawn the same crowd here. It is encouraging that when someone with conservative convictions comes along the true believers come out of the woodwork. If only we had nominated a washed-in-the-blood conservative!

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:38 am

No, I did not see it anywhere; and I am a news junkie

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:46 am

and you Florida panhandlers, remember it was the media calling the race for Gore in 2000 that lead to the Republicans in the Panhandle to stay home, making the recount saga necessary.

Expect more dirty tricks like that from the media, be sure to vote no matter what they tell you.

bunklocoempire · Post by **bunklocoempire** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:10 am

Interesting comments here,(paraphrasing), "never surrender", "hold my nose and vote McCain", "stuck with McCain", "don't believe the media", talk of "the future consevative movement" etc..

We don't have to surrender, we don't have to vote for McCain, we aren't stuck with McCain, we don't have to believe the media concerning a third party choice, and there definately IS a "conservative movement", it aint in the future -that movement is happening NOW. The movement isn't in the Republican party.

What exactly is the strategy of holding ones nose to vote for McCain? Pretty obvious to me that the Republican party has tossed away it's hardcore conservative base in favor of a left leaning base, putting up with it and furthering their current platform will only open the doors wider for that left leaning base. Is there something wrong with that reasoning?

Didn't the Republican champion McCain just vote to steal trillions of dollars from the taxpayers? Didn't McCain just talk of government taking over loans for all the stressed home buyers? Doesn't McCain have the worst gun rating of any Republican candidate for president, -ever?

If any of us are serious about turning our country around we should be prepared to lose some battles. If we're scared Obamas gonna take our guns, that to me assumes we'll hand them over. He'll try no doubt, but if we're concerned about that, we are done. We'd all better sort our consciences out quick.

Our Country is in a fight for it's life, will we support an ambiguous Republican platform, and their commie spewing candidate? I much prefer a revolution under a commie Democrat.

I'm NOT done.

Bunkloco

Post by **Hobie** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:35 am

VOTING FOR MCCAIN IS VOTING FOR SARAH PALIN. Not now, but later, your vote for so-so McCain is a vote for Sarah Palin. Pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-US, Sarah Palin as president for maybe 8 years. Our best chance for giving a good drubbing to the socialists. Why would you turn that down? Get out there, talk to your friends & family, and VOTE.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:40 am

Hobie wrote:VOTING FOR MCCAIN IS VOTING FOR SARAH PALIN. Not now, but later, your vote for so-so McCain is a vote for Sarah Palin. Pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-US, Sarah Palin as president for maybe 8 years. Our best chance for giving a good drubbing to the socialists. Why would you turn that down? Get out there, talk to your friends & family, and VOTE.

WAY TO GO HOBIE!

SmokeEater2 · Post by **SmokeEater2** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:53 am

Hobie wrote:VOTING FOR MCCAIN IS VOTING FOR SARAH PALIN. Not now, but later, your vote for so-so McCain is a vote for Sarah Palin. Pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-US, Sarah Palin as president for maybe 8 years. Our best chance for giving a good drubbing to the socialists. Why would you turn that down? Get out there, talk to your friends & family, and VOTE.

Absolutely correct Hobie! McCain is certainly not my first choice as President but I'd much rather have him pick the next Supreme Court Justice than Obama!

And next election year I hope to get to cast my vote for President for Sarah Palin.