POLITICS -Surge At Home?

[bunklocoempire]

McCains voting record on RKBA is there for all to see, now there's this kind of talk from Juan McAmnesty. How any gun owner could consider voting for this guy is beyond me.

Sure there is the "pandering factor" (addressing the Urban League), but McCain even suggesting or talking this way should be a huge reality check. Lesser of two evils? Sure he is.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser ... -home.html
McCain called them tactics 'somewhat like we use in the military...You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement.'

(audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8MkPy7asQ

Bunkloco

[FWiedner]

The McChurian candidate dreams of using military force on civilians in U.S. neigborhoods, and then threatening the use of further force to coerce "cooperation".

Given the attitude of the current administration toward the Constitution and American freedom, you are surprised that a subsequent Republican administration would want to "take it up a notch"?

Yeah.

Vote McCain. You'll get what you asked for.

[morgan in nm]

Lets be honest. Most of the people who call themselves a conservative don't care for McCain. The true question to ask yourself in November is, "Do I want Obama as president who I know what he is going to do or can I tolerate McCain? Many people still remember what happened with Perot in 92 when the conservative vote was split allowing Clinton in. So many I know won't vote for Barr for this reason. I will but thats irrelevant.

Its a sad state we're in if you think about our choices.

[Ysabel Kid]

Lets be honest. Most of the people who call themselves a conservative don't care for McCain. The true question to ask yourself in November is, "Do I want Obama as president who I know what he is going to do or can I tolerate McCain? Many people still remember what happened with Perot in 92 when the conservative vote was split allowing Clinton in. So many I know won't vote for Barr for this reason. I will but thats irrelevant.

Its a sad state we're in if you think about our choices.

Bingo. I don't want McCain in any more than most of us - but I want Obama in even less. Pathetic choices have been forced upon us, but the reality is that we will elect a President this fall and it will be either McCain or Obama. I'd rather have some small glimmer of hope than none at all...

[Buffboy]

The problem with McCain's idea is: it's NOT a new idea and it doesn't work. It's been tried hundreds of times by law enforcement. It works for the military because they are killing the enemy. Police can't just eliminate threats, they have to follow civil law, and that's as it should be. You can move "the problem" around with this kind of LE tactic but it doesn't solve the problem.

You will never solve the problem with the law abiding people of the cities disarmed. The only way to solve the problem is for the neighborhood to "work with the police" to get the thugs put in jail. That means they have to show up in court and testify. When the police move on, as they must from one of these "surges", (cops will never have the manpower to be a permanent presence) the thugs quickly have the disarmed populace back in the cage. No testimony in court means the thugs walk free. Thugs walking free, means the problem hasn't left.

[Blackhawk]

When & where does the next Tea Party take place?

The US Constitution is open to more interpetation(sp) now than it has ever been. I for one am getting sick and tired of our leaders from local to national levels.

Johnny

[H_Talon]

I'm not voting for McCain !!!!!! I'm voting against Obama !!!!!

Talon

[El Mac]

Hmmm, I didn't see anything there that said he would use the military or disarm anyone....what did I miss?

[The Lewis]

Bingo. I don't want McCain in any more than most of us - but I want Obama in even less. Pathetic choices have been forced upon us, but the reality is that we will elect a President this fall and it will be either McCain or Obama. I'd rather have some small glimmer of hope than none at all...[/quote]



"A surge at home" = A small glimmer of hope? I don't want the socialist bullspit that O would bring, but I can't help but feel that the present 'course' we are on is heading a bit too far towards Fascism for me. I want to vote for Barr, I really do and just may very well, seems the Libertarians are getting it right and that movement won't grow if we don't feed it. I'm sick of voting for the lesser of two evils and this election I'm not really sure which one is the lesser.

[Hobie]

Lets be honest. Most of the people who call themselves a conservative don't care for McCain. The true question to ask yourself in November is, "Do I want Obama as president who I know what he is going to do or can I tolerate McCain? Many people still remember what happened with Perot in 92 when the conservative vote was split allowing Clinton in. So many I know won't vote for Barr for this reason. I will but thats irrelevant.

Its a sad state we're in if you think about our choices.

Bingo. I don't want McCain in any more than most of us - but I want Obama in even less. Pathetic choices have been forced upon us, but the reality is that we will elect a President this fall and it will be either McCain or Obama. I'd rather have some small glimmer of hope than none at all...

Dittos.

[bunklocoempire]

El Mac wrote:

Hmmm, I didn't see anything there that said he would use the military or disarm anyone....what did I miss?

You are correct. McCain did say this: 'somewhat like we use in the military...You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement.'
Talking to folks who have a real fear and concern of high crime in their neighborhood about police (we can assume police) "clamping down" does nothing but get folks use to that idea. The idea of the police provideing a stable enviroment, call 911 because what else can you do?

And the blogger writes: As part of his argument, McCain praised the crime-fighting efforts of former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.
Part of Rudys crime-fighting efforts used lawsuits against gun manufacturers and another part involved not busting illegal aliens if they would call to report a crime.
I wouldn't praise these "efforts".

What McCain did not mention is folks should have every means to protect themselves (armed). He mentions nothing about law abiding citizens being disarmed while criminals have guns. He doesn't mention appropriate punishment for violent offenders.

No, he like Obama, wants someone else instead of the individual to do the "protecting". McBama.

McCains little talk does nothing to promote gun ownership -except for police/government, how many police want to go into a high crime enviroment where all citizens are armed? This actually erodes the idea of an individual being armed. High crime areas, Urban League, this was McCains chance to sound the Liberty bell, he didn't.

We are being herded folks.

As for a "glimmer of hope" in McCain I just don't see it. My glimmer is voting third party (not a write in), not necessarily to win, but to be counted and show others Liberty has still got a pulse.

Blackhawk wrote:

When & where does the next Tea Party take place?

The US Constitution is open to more interpetation(sp) now than it has ever been. I for one am getting sick and tired of our leaders from local to national levels.

Johnny

Not a Tea Party, but a real "glimmer of hope". http://www.rallyfortherepublic.com/


Bunkloco

[FWiedner]

Hmmm, I didn't see anything there that said he would use the military or disarm anyone....what did I miss?

MIlitary tactics is military force whether the uniform is green, black, khaki, or any other color, evasive verbiage not withstanding, and a tyrant never establishes "control" without disarming any potential opposition.

[El Mac]

Ah. Ok...

[GonnePhishin]

The real question is how much wood could a wood chuck, chuck, if a wood chuck, could chuck wood?

[Birdman]

My question for everyone, including myself is: Will I be able to eat a good meal after casting a McMain vote just to keep obama out? I ain't convinced I can pull a lever for McMain.

[El Mac]

McCain ain't perfect. But he is perfectly better than Osamabama.

[O.S.O.K.]

If you don't "read anything in" to what he said, I basically agree with him. If you want to turn high-crime areas around you have to go in and take control of the situation and make the people living there feel safe - then they will start to act normal and call the police and such like the rest of us when we see crimes happen.

Let's not make up stuff that isn't there.

I'm not a big McCain guy at all - not my pick for the RNC candidate but as said, he's a far cry better than Hussein.

[El Mac]

If you don't "read anything in" to what he said, I basically agree with him. If you want to turn high-crime areas around you have to go in and take control of the situation and make the people living there feel safe - then they will start to act normal and call the police and such like the rest of us when we see crimes happen.

Let's not make up stuff that isn't there.

Best be careful talking like that...you might not get your weekly issue of tinfoil.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I haven't seen it mentioned here but it looks like the dems stand to win several congressional seats no matter who wins the white house. The worst case scenario would be for obama and the dems to control 2/3's of the government with the chance to place at least two liberal Supreme court judges.
Some here have said it's no big deal because they will just appoint two more liberals to place the ones retiring. The problem with that line of thought is they will appoint lower court judges as well. That will give them more and 2/3's control.
That is darn scary.
I would rather not vote for McCain but I can't just do nothing because my choice didn't pan out.

About the best we can hope for is gridlock. McCain wins, the dem control the congress and nothing gets done.

[Old Ironsights]

...About the best we can hope for is gridlock. McCain wins, the dem control the congress and nothing gets done.

Ecxept that McCain is and always has been all about sleeping with the enemy.

McCain Feingold
McCain Leiberman
McCain GloBull warming

There will be no gridlock.

If people wanted gridlock they wouldn't have spiked Paul. But that was precicely one of the reasons he WAS spiked... because the RINO Party was scared to death of being "blamed" for having Dr NO vetoing every bit of pork and absurdity coming out of Congress and Forcing the idiots there to make everything a Roll Call vote.

If there is one thing DC politicians HATE it's roll-call vote accountability.

[O.S.O.K.]

If you don't "read anything in" to what he said, I basically agree with him. If you want to turn high-crime areas around you have to go in and take control of the situation and make the people living there feel safe - then they will start to act normal and call the police and such like the rest of us when we see crimes happen.

Let's not make up stuff that isn't there.

Best be careful talking like that...you might not get your weekly issue of tinfoil.

I got banned from the tinfoil club a long time ago...