After All These Years....A House Rifle

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:54 pm

House rifles are a strange consideration if one is thoughtful about hearing, others in or outside the home and possibly the neighbor a half mile down the road. Short and sweet, I'm filling up the tube on the 9422Mag with some CCIs and keeping it by my bed at night along with the Glock 36; another somewhat quieter and non-penetrating weapon. You may convince me, possibley, that I want to load some sub-sonic .44s that I trust, but for now please flame away, or even agree if you like

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:59 pm

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:01 pm

Grizz wrote:ok

I wonder if I could seat one of your 405s deep enough for it to cycle in the 1894? That would be a bone crusher moving at a slow 800fps, would it not?

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:21 pm

Why? Have to go with the pentration concern.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:22 pm

hmmm, house rifle?! Use to be an M-1 Carbine. Gonna be my NKJ 92 .357 (Steve, if you are reading this, I have referred to this rifle in about a dozen or more posts, so hurry up and get it done.

). Currently, I have my 39 TDS, my 73 45lc, and my WWG 45-70 - all loaded and ready to go. That 92 in .357 sure will be the go to rifle for me in self defense situations.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:27 pm

Winchester 9422Magnum, fine rifle, reliable, accurate and just enough fire power.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:18 pm

A house rifle should be short, handy, hold enough to get the job done, and reliable.

Win 94AE Trapper .45 Colt loaded with Win STHPs or equivalent.

Just my thoughts on this.

Joe

big bear · Post by **big bear** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:39 pm

Large (fat+/- prison muscled up) drunk/meth or some other combo not nice creature , coming down the hall at 2 am, not sure that a 22 of any type would instill confidence for me.No offence to anyone intended, but just my thoughts. I always think in terms of stopping a medium to large bear up close and at least changing his direction of movement...22 anything just won't do it.

Keep in mind, I live in the country thoughwith black bears in the yard , often.

pharmseller · Post by **pharmseller** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:53 pm

Remington 11-48 with an 18.5" barrel. No plug. 6+1 and more in the butt cuff. #4. 'Nuff for a bear, I imagine.

Q

stinkycat · Post by **stinkycat** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:00 pm

Keep one of my 39a's loaded with velocitors, have used it several times when unwanted critters came thru the yard.

505stevec · Post by **505stevec** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:35 pm

Anything bigger than a .22 is going to sound like the wrath of God falling on the wick

ed. That being said... who cares? I personally keep a pistol by my bed and what ever rifle i was cleaning, polishing, or other wise petting at bed time.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:56 pm

22s are underpowered, but nonetheless penetrate clothes and such very well.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:26 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Grizz wrote:ok
I wonder if I could seat one of your 405s deep enough for it to cycle in the 1894? That would be a bone crusher moving at a slow 800fps, would it not?

It would absolutely be a bone crusher. That's a good way to put it.

It is a dual crimp bullet and you can seat it a tenth deeper.

I had that conversation with Marshall and he thinks it'll feed thru a 1892 action, but I'm not certain that it can feed thru the Marlin action. I've been told you can file the cart stop back and get about a tenth of an inch, but I don't think that's gonna cover it. It's gonna be getting up into the low end of the original 45/70 ballistics coming out of a carbine tube. Like around your BFR velocities maybe...

But, isn't heavy for caliber the opposite of what you want in a house gun? Unless you want to nail two or three houses per shot. !

I kinda like the mossberg for a house gun, I'll have to bring it along some time.

Lefty Dude · Post by **Lefty Dude** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:32 pm

Nothing has more fear than the racking of a shotgun in the middle of the night or Day loaded with #4 buck shot.

Along with my Charter 44 Bulldog Pug, with WW/STHP's on the bed room nite stand.

I am sorry a 22 just does not interest me for a House Gun.

WCF3030 · Post by **WCF3030** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:49 pm

At least you have the right mind set.

I'm kind of a Mossberg 590 guy myself.

HATCHETTJACK · Post by **HATCHETTJACK** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:24 pm

here is my house gun

marlin 1895 xlr in 45-70

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:32 pm

Blain,
Old saying----------NOBODY wants to get shot, even with a .22--------------Sixgun

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:49 pm

Sixgun wrote:Blain,
Old saying----------NOBODY wants to get shot, even with a .22--------------Sixgun

Yep - a .22 is better than nothing. Some may say "not much", but I still wouldn't want to be plugged by one!

game keeper wrote:Winchester 9422Magnum, fine rifle, reliable, accurate and just enough fire power.

GK - If what I read is true, if you used a firearm for self-defense in the UK, they'd haul your keister down to jail for doing so!

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:53 pm

BTW, this IS a pet-peeve of mine. I live in a house with 3 other people (my wife and two kids), a dog and now a cat. Penetration of projectiles in a self-defense situation is a concern. My house is brick, so I am not worried about a bullet exited my abode and going into a neighbor's house, though it is feasible through a window. Still, this is a valid concern for many.

So, being a life-long shooter and almost as long reloader, I could easily work up rounds for use indoors that would provide a good measure of stopping power balanced with reducing the chances of too much over-penetration.

If I do this though and would then have to use said round, I am very likely to have some over-anxious DA haul my keister down to jail. They'd say I had "cooked up my own load and couldn't wait to use it". This is why it is always recommended to use factory-loads in self-defense weapons. What a crock!!!

Okay, I'll step off my soap-box. Sorry Blaine for the quasi-hijack...

99savage308 · Post by **99savage308** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:18 pm

House rifle,

If that 9422 mag works for you, then all is well.

My house rifle is: M1 carbine 30 rnd mag with two 15 rnd mags in the butt pouch.....

.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:44 pm

"A house rifle should be short, handy, hold enough to get the job done, and reliable." I like my .45ACP Combat Commander. To fight my way to the safe where there'll be at least a .30-30 or two or three to then keep the beasts at bay... OUTSIDE! Now, I don't live in the city and anything on my side of my fence is either mine, or an interloper. Interlopers will be shot, survivors... shot again. Call first, or be like the UPS guy, surprised when I step outside with a .30-30 in hand. No, I ain't paranoid... but I'm still alive.

Luckily, I ain't ever had to arrest any of my immediate neighbors, but those over a few miles... some have promised retribution... I plan on surviving them.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:54 pm

Why not just keep a pump shotgun loaded with 7-shot, and some slugs or buckshot on a stock bandolier? That, with a barrel-mounted light/laser combo should intimidate plenty well, and if needed, terminate any threat with authority, yet would lose kinetic energy after a bit of drywall.

I KNOW we all like leverguns, but good old pump shotguns are hard to beat.

For ranchers and so forth who might need to deal with wild dog packs or other external issues, THEN I say grab those .45-70's!

66GTO · Post by **66GTO** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:24 pm

The first gun I can reach in my safe is a Remington 870 with an 18" barrel. The tube is loaded so that the first two rounds chambered are #6 low brass field loads, the next two are high brass #5 turkey loads. In the cuff on the stock are two more turkey loads, two 00 buck, and if needed, two slugs.

The #6's and #5's will punch a hole in someone at close range but not over penetrate. If six of those won't do the job, all bets are off.

And not to worry if I have to fight my way to the safe, I keep a pistol in my pocket at all times and a .45 ACP on the nightstand. And Florida is a Castle Doctrine state.

Longfin · Post by **Longfin** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:50 pm

I have a 22 mag levergun, but it is not in my defense lineup. As I type this, I have a Winchester Model 12 in 12 guage with the barrel cut to 18 inches, an MI carbine with Soft Point cartridges and a Colt Gold Cup in 45 acp all within reach and loaded. These are my go to weapons and which one is grabbed will be decided by the presenting circumstances. In the house-45; trying to get in the house-12 guage; outside the house and I go out-MI carbine. I know we all love our leverguns, but when going into battle, take the best battle proven weapon you have available for the situation. I have a MI Garand, but don't foresee that a situation around the house would call for that level of weapon.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:14 pm

Griff wrote:No, I ain't paranoid... but I'm still alive.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you...

Racking the slide of a pump to deter someone indicates you didn't think far enough ahead IMO. I USED to subscribe to that philosophy and even advocated it to customers when I was behind the counter but then I realized the time may come when you need it RIGHT NOW and the time to chamber a round may not be available.

I have NO desire to have to tag someone but I figure if you come into my AO uninvited, your gluteus maximus belongs to me.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:01 am

Don't forget..I said my .45acp is right there,too....

Mich Hunter · Post by **Mich Hunter** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:20 am

1. XD-45 with (6) 13 rd mags of Hydra-shocks in my night stand.
2. Kimber full size with (6) 8 rd Wilsons with Hydra-shocks in the wife's night stand
3. Rem 870 police with Buck and Bird shot in the computer room

and plenty more available if I ever needed more than that.

1894cfan · Post by **1894cfan** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:31 am

You'll have no argument from me, I've got a 1894c loaded with eleven .38's and a Glock 23 with a 13 rd. and a 15 rd. mags by my bed! It's either those or a .30 carbine with three 15 rounders and a Glock 21 with two 13 rounders. Either way, the jobs gonna get done!!! Oh, my ringing ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:45 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:
Sixgun wrote:Blain,
Old saying----------NOBODY wants to get shot, even with a .22--------------Sixgun
Yep - a .22 is better than nothing. Some may say "not much", but I still wouldn't want to be plugged by one!

game keeper wrote:Winchester 9422Magnum, fine rifle, reliable, accurate and just enough fire power.
GK - If what I read is true, if you used a firearm for self-defense in the UK, they'd haul your keister down to jail for doing so!

There has been a lot of discussion about self defence in the UK and the politicians (well some anyway) are now saying defending your self is a sensible thing to do!

However you would be arrested and spend the night in the cells.

If you shot an armed intruder because your life was definitely threatened you "could" "probably" now escape prosecution.

I have which ever firearm I think I might need by my night stand, I live on a sporting estate and any vermin that comes within range of my place gets shot. We have had two legged vermin at night and because as yet they have not been a threat to my life, catching them in the beam of a powerful lamp and the sight of someone carrying a shotgun/rifle has been enough.

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:48 am

game keeper wrote:Winchester 9422Magnum, fine rifle, reliable, accurate and just enough fire power.

+1

Don't forget a light.

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:29 am

Blaine,
Something is better than nothing and a well placed 22mag will do the job. Look what Hinkley did with no good semi-auto 22lr pistol.

I lean towards my mossberg pump, with #4 buckshot, only because I think ALL FBG's, no matter how drugged up, know what "SHICK-SCHICK" means.

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:54 am

The typical home defense scenario would indicate that the fight would be over in two shots. Remember the saying, "Use enough gun." Yes, a 22 is better than nothing but it would not be my first choice. Will the perp weigh 280-300 pounds? Will he have on heavy clothing? Will he be intoxicated? 38 specials from my lever would be fine. The blast will be tolerable and bullet performance is proven.

Here's a Corbon article that I read just yesterday. http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Corb ... 20Ammo.htm

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:13 am

good article. Wonder how they will do in my 92? May try them out in my 3" smith.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:20 am

home invasions are increasing around the sound. that's three to five armed invaders hell bent on mayhem. think about that scenario.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:24 am

Hmmm, a 22? Not in that situation, not for me. IMO a short barreled 12 ga. with #4-6 shot is the best for a bedside defense gun. No fear of over penetration, yet there arent many weapons that are more effective at stopping a close range threat instantly. As far as the noise is concerned, that would be the absolutely last thing on my mind if some scumbag wanted to commit sucide in MY house.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:38 am

22Mags from a rifle are underrated...they hit as hard as a 38spc and penetrate as good as them

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:36 am

My house gun is a 12ga Remington 870 pump shotgun. My 1st choice of shot for it for in-house use is #4 high brass but I do have some 00 Buckshot and #4 Buckshot at the ready too.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:07 am

My choice for a home defense rifle is my Rock River LAR-15 in 223 loaded with Hornady TAP loads. I don't care about the noise and the round is frangible so it won't penetrate through sheetrock very far. But I always have a couple handguns handy.

I've had two homicides where the victim's were both shot just once in the head with a 22. I've also had an assault where a guy took five pass through rounds of 22LR through the torso and lived without any long lasting effects. Shot placement is the key with the smaller calibers.

505stevec · Post by **505stevec** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:49 pm

I remember when I was in high school and read an article out of africa I believe Rhodesia or South Africa. The family were outside having tea and had two automatic rifles setting beside them. That impressed me at that age to be ever ready for anything. Now I dont believe the rebels will come storming the wire any time soon but i have read of several Home Invasions here in New Mexico recently. Last week 5 men broke in with handgun, knives and a bat. They beat the homeowner and stole many valuables. It is a shame that we must be ready for any eventuality but I think that that is the world we live in. I think the concept of a long gun whether rifle or shotgun is perfectly sound and above all defensible. My home is my shelter. When invaded by an outside force they should realize that we will be repelling all boarders. Just my .02

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:07 pm

Neighbors too close here for a "house" rifle. For a long gun, I keep a 20 ga Franchi Model 48. With #4 Buck, it's plenty potent enough to deal with unwanted visitors, yet is low enough on penetration. At typical indoor ranges, there isn't much spread to speak of, yet will do a tremendous amound of damage to tissue. When serving as the "house" shotgun, it has an 18 1/2" cylinder barrel on it. It also serves as my upland game gun, and at those times wears a 26" modified barrel. With an aluminum receiver, it's light enough to carry all day long, yet hits patterns well and carries a heavy enough charge for the birds. Wouldn't want to use it for water fowl.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:16 pm

Gary wrote:The typical home defense scenario would indicate that the fight would be over in two shots. Remember the saying, "Use enough gun." Yes, a 22 is better than nothing but it would not be my first choice. Will the perp weigh 280-300 pounds? Will he have on heavy clothing? Will he be intoxicated? 38 specials from my lever would be fine. The blast will be tolerable and bullet performance is proven.

Here's a Corbon article that I read just yesterday. http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Corb ... 20Ammo.htm

You mention the "typical home defense scenario" and "two shots". Sounds good on paper, but what if "your" home defense scenario is "atypical". Would really suck to be the exception that proves the rule. Prepare for the "worst possible scenario" and pray for the best. I don't believe there is such a thing as being "over gunned" or in the existance of "overkill" (can't get no deader than dead. I have a 20 ga. because both I and the wife may need it and she dislikes the 12 ga. The pistol is one of several .45 acp's, all of which the wife is quite proficient. Folks talk about a rifle being easier to his with than a handgun, yet forget that indoors, ranges are short, and manuverability of a long gun is questionable. You need options, and as one fellow says (though I don't agree with all he preaches), "two is one and one is none".

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:23 pm

tubby use what makes you happy.I don't ever have a house rifle.just a old 1911 and lots of loaded mags.
pete