Pair O' Kings

[wvfarrier]

I have been practicing this drill for a couple days. Its 2 rounds from concealment at 25 yards. Par is 2 seconds. My carry gun, normally, is a 4" M&P Comp and I am stuck at 2.03-.04 I think I am losing time trying to find the red dot.

I ran it this a.m. with a 1911 and irons, 1.76 and 1.81

[wvfarrier]

Oh and both rounds have to be A zone hits

[AJMD429]

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I tried the electronic red dot stuff, And while I like it on rifles, it takes too long to locate the dot with a handgun because you've got to have it lined up perfectly. That's fine at a shooting range, and people who practice can get super fast, but it seems to me that if you're relying on a gun for protection, you aren't going to be standing with practiced stance, and may not be gripping the gun with your practiced hold. Instead you may find yourself shooting one handed from an awkward position after just getting jumped from behind or knoked down, or having a load of groceries in-hand, a small child in-tow, or whatever. The other problem I found with the electronic red sight that I tried was that the 'auto-adjusting brightness' really didn't handle bright daylight well (the dot was actually TOO bright and obscured everything), and in dim light it wasn't bright enough. Forget trying to use it in the dark with a weapon light.

Maybe I just didn't get a good enough electronic dot site, but I think it was $400 which to me ought to get perfection. The Iron that I've been working with lately cost $25 or so for the rear sight and the front 'red dot' is about the same or less.

That's why I prefer iron sights on a pistol over an electronic red dot.

I do think I've found a compromise that's the best of both however. Basically a 'red dot' that is visible even before it is lined up fully, speeding acquisition tremendously, and allows very rapid 'good enough' lineup of sigits for a very close encounter, yet great precision is attainable if you have a half-second more. It also has the 'automatic centering' nature of an aperture sight, which adds speed versus the traditional patridge and notch system.

Also - look how much less of the view is covered up - even if the 'backup' irons weren't on the gun to the left, there is a lot of material and obstruction downrange versus the super-clean view on the right.



I've posted on it elsewhere here on the forum - http://www.levergunscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?t=92022

If I knew how to post a video of it I would show how much different it is then the electronic ones in terms of acquisition. It is also more compact, more durable, and doesn't need batteries. This pair of still images shows how your eyes can already start helping line things up when the gun isn't in full 'presentation' with the upper 'Marbles/Firesight' setup versus an electronic red-dot.

[Streetstar]

Red dots seem to be universally loved with guys and gals who shoot EX-tensively

I get it --- I have one on one of my Glocks and its precision at longer ranges (for me) is pretty cool

I still have to hunt around to find the dot after i clear leather ---- its on a Glock 20 with a Trijicon RMR of some sort -- as Doc alluded to - not one of the cheap ones

Maybe i dont practice enough , but i dont need 2k rounds of practice for the irons to feel shootable -- and - with the parameters of a self defense gun -- whether people - or in the case of 10mm's - Bears --- stuff happens fast and i am guessing a ton of these encounters pop off without an "aimed" shot
The kid in Indiana a couple years back who took out the mass shooter from 40 yards-- yes -- thats an aimed shot

But Mr Grizz trying to get up on ya' ---- or an average street encounter --- those are pull it and shoot it encounters

[AJMD429]

The kid in Indiana a couple years back who took out the mass shooter from 40 yards-- yes -- thats an aimed shot

Actually that happened too far from where I work, and the local pro-gun attorney, Guy Relford (shameless plug for a GOOD guy - http://www.relfordlaw.com/), talked a lot about it locally, but I never actually heard what gun the guy was using other than I pretty sure it was a Glock. I wonder what kind of sights he had...?

Well - the INTERNET knows...

https://scatteredshots.com/2023/05/25/eli-dickens-gun/

"...Gun: Gen 5 G19 with stock sights. (The sights had been mangled in a motorcycle accident. He filed off the smooshed bits and pressed ahead with what he had.) The gun also had an Olight Valkryie and a “Don’t Tread on Me” backplate. Pretty much a stereotypical young man without a lot of money concealed carry set up.
Ammo: Blazer brass FMJ..."

[piller]

40 yards is a decent distance for a semiauto. I think he had shot more than a few targets.