Remington Accelerator cartridges...and Charlie Kirk

[AJMD429]

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Doesn't this seem like the cartridge was possibly a Remington Accelerator...???

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/0 ... t-charlie/

[4t5]

They need to ask grandpa what kind of ammo , perp probably grabbed ammo when he got the rifle .

[AJMD429]

They need to ask grandpa what kind of ammo , perp probably grabbed ammo when he got the rifle .

It's amazing how some of these suspects and accessories and witnesses just 'disappear' or 'refuse to cooperate'.

I would think if an ordinary (non-liberal, non-trans, non-progressive, non-illegal-alien) person were 'of interest', we'd be in some dark damp basement prison somewhere until we got very talkative.

[earlmck]

All us old elk hunters knew from day one that Kirk was not shot from the front by an '06. Tyler Robinson is the typical stooge they feed us when CIA/MOSSAD pulls a hit. Seems to work for them every time, so no wonder they keep using the same playbook.

Heck, Sirhan Sirhan is still in prison 58 years after Robert Kennedy was assassinated even though the autopsy showed Kennedy was killed by near-contact shot behind the head while poor stooge Sirhan was 6 feet out in front of Kennedy. Yep, still there -- bury the stooges deep. Though I guess Sirhan is not yet as deeply buried as Oswald. Or Crooks.

In the days soon after the Kirk shooting I saw video that showed Kirk was more likely hit from an elevated position off his left side; probably a nice frangible 5.56. I tried to find that video to reference here but was not successful. I'll bet Robinson's lawyers have a copy though.

Looks like Robinson has better lawyers than Sirhan had -- will be interesting to see the prosecution squirm a little: they are not used to getting serious inspection of their ballistic "evidence".

[Crazy Horse]

If he was shot in the neck with a 30-06, I wouldn't think the bullet would be in the body anywhere to be found during the autopsy. Wouldn't it have just went through and lodged in something behind him? Now if it was the accelerator, it would have probably blew into tiny fragments. I think I remember the Remington book saying it was a 55-grain traveling at 4080 fps. I still have 5 accelerator shells from a box my dad bought in the 70's.

[marlinman93]

If he was shot in the neck with a 30-06, I wouldn't think the bullet would be in the body anywhere to be found during the autopsy. Wouldn't it have just went through and lodged in something behind him? Now if it was the accelerator, it would have probably blew into tiny fragments. I think I remember the Remington book saying it was a 55-grain traveling at 4080 fps. I still have 5 accelerator shells from a box my dad bought in the 70's.

Even a .223 bullet wouldn't have lodged in the body in most cases. Especially if it didn't hit anything but soft tissue. And more so if it was a full metal jacket! A hollow point would never exit, but you'd never find anything more than tiny fragments and not enough to even identify what diameter the bullet was.

[JimT]

I played with the Accelerators in .30-30. The little .22 bullet worked wonders on Javelina. I helped clean one that was shot at about a hundred yards. Dropped it right there and the insides were a mess! The 06 load was quite a bit faster. I still have a full box of .30-30 and a partial box.

[FLINT]

A 30-06 is an incredibly powerful cartridge. I just can't imagine that it could possibly do as little damage to the neck of a human as I understand happened in this instance. Even with the accelerator ammo. Seems like that would have been devastating. A human neck is not a very big or tough object. Seems like the projectile had to come from something much less powerful.

[EdinCT]

I have shot woodchucks when I was young with 180 gr 308 win bullets and they blew a 1 1/2 inch exit hole out of a ground hog 150's much more so. So perhaps it could be a 30-06 and the one thing I do know is we will all stand before a just judge who has all the facts.

[marlinman93]

A 30-06 is an incredibly powerful cartridge. I just can't imagine that it could possibly do as little damage to the neck of a human as I understand happened in this instance. Even with the accelerator ammo. Seems like that would have been devastating. A human neck is not a very big or tough object. Seems like the projectile had to come from something much less powerful.

A .30-06 is powerful, but since it seems the shot only hit soft tissue I'd be surprised if any spire point would do much visible damage, regardless of what case it came from. Not much expansion takes place unless it travels through a longer distance internally, or hits something harder like bone.

[marlinman93]

I have shot woodchucks when I was young with 180 gr 308 win bullets and they blew a 1 1/2 inch exit hole out of a ground hog 150's much more so. So perhaps it could be a 30-06 and the one thing I do know is we will all stand before a just judge who has all the facts.

Small critters have very soft tissue, so just the shock of impact causes the extreme damage. If the bullets could be recovered I bet they'd show little expansion. So the big exit hole isn't expansion it's simply impact shock on a very soft tissue.

[Safestuffer]

Fake News, guys.
A bullet fragment was recovered from Kirk. Based on the fragmented nature of the shrapnel, no definitive match could be made to the suspects rifle.
Thats it. The fragment is too small to match.
Doesn't mean it didnt come from the suspects rifle
Doesn't mean Kirks assassination was anything other than what the prosecutors have stated.

[Old Savage]

30-06 Accelerators I chronoed ran about 4200 fps,

[Lastmohecken]

That crossed my mind a long time ago, that it might have been an old Accelerator round from the 30-06. What blows my mind is how does the "Patsey" plan work. I mean if there was a second shooter, and maybe there was, just like probably in Kennidy's assignation, someone has to recruit these Patsey's to attempt this in the first place. It seems that we never know the whole truth on these hits.

[marlinman93]

Fake News, guys.
A bullet fragment was recovered from Kirk. Based on the fragmented nature of the shrapnel, no definitive match could be made to the suspects rifle.
Thats it. The fragment is too small to match.
Doesn't mean it didnt come from the suspects rifle
Doesn't mean Kirks assassination was anything other than what the prosecutors have stated.

I wouldn't call it fake news, but it is the defense attorney's point to say it couldn't be matched to the rifle it was supposed to have been fired from. And he's correct in that statement. Since the ballistic tests couldn't say for certain the fragments found came from that rifle they're just trying to muddy the waters and attempt to get the jury to question things. It wont work, and there's plenty of evidence, including the statement he made to his father claiming he'd shot Charlie Kirk. That's going to be pretty tough to find fault with his own confession.

[earlmck]

What blows my mind is how does the "Patsey" plan work. I mean if there was a second shooter, and maybe there was, just like probably in Kennidy's assignation, someone has to recruit these Patsey's to attempt this in the first place. It seems that we never know the whole truth on these hits.

Oswald seems to have thought he was helping the CIA. Sirhan Sirhan reportedly still has no memory of the RFK shooting, and at the time the CIA's project MK Ultra had some success using drugs and hypnosis to get folks to do things they normally would never do. Crooks lost his mind shortly after (or possibly shortly before) he opened fire and the Feds have a firm lid on all his relationships.

Yep, we'll most likely never know the whole story, though I'd like to eventually get the general outline. I think we did finally get enough information released to get this "general outline" for JFK and RFK. Probably not live long enough to get Butler, PA figured. But it interesting to watch the machinations for the Robinson trial when so many people know the ballistic improbability of what they are trying to feed us.

[AJMD429]

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After reading 'The Ravens" and "Big Intel" and "Chaos" I think the CIA could get just about anyone to do just about anything they want - through the use of subterfuge and drugs and blackmail and threats to families. Too many times we've already seen it to think it impossible, or even improbable.