Taylors and Co. New '73

[JBowen]

Nice looking short rifle, but the kicker is it is chambered in 9 mm! What do ya think?
https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/tc73-ri ... 0a32105418


JBowen

[KWK]

The cartridge selected is unusual enough, but that it's made in the US is a bigger surprise. I wonder which company is making it? What's next, a '66 carbine in 45 ACP?

[GunnyMack]

I'm not a 9mm but if they made it in 40 ...

[4t5]

No cannelure on 9 mm bullets ,what about bullet setback ?

[JBowen]

No cannelure on 9 mm bullets ,what about bullet setback ?

That could be a problem. Surely, they have tested it a great deal before they produced them?
It would be a cheap(er) plinker with 9mm being the cheapest centerfire cartridge.

JBowen

[vancelw]

I handled one yesterday at the NRA show.
The weight of that rifle will prevent bullet setback.
Which is probably why they didn't choose .40 S&W or 10 mm.

I saw quite a few "replica" guns in 9mm
Including 1873 revolvers. Not sure what the appeal is.

Except for the 9mm Tipmann gattling guns....I want one even if I can't afford to feed it.

[KWK]

The weight of that rifle will prevent bullet setback.

There is still the slamming of the column of bullets into the magazine's cartridge stop (the loading gate) with the cycling of a toggle link action.

[wvfarrier]

I like the idea but 10mm would be a better choice IMHO

[J Miller]

9 m/m??????
What a waste of raw materials, no way Jose.


Joe

[RIHMFIRE]

2100+ bucks......
I don't think so!

[COSteve]

Per BBTI, a 125grn Cor Bon 9mm in a 16" levergun gives up about 700 fps to a 125grn Cor Bon .357mag.

That's way, way too much velocity loss to make the 9mm worth considering in my book.

[Grizz]

Per BBTI, a 125grn Cor Bon 9mm in a 16" levergun gives up about 700 fps to a 125grn Cor Bon .357mag.

That's way, way too much velocity loss to make the 9mm worth considering in my book.

The 9mm sub2k manual says 1520fps for the 115gr+p and 589 fp muzzle energy from the 16 inch barrel. How does that compare?

[KWK]

Per BBTI, a 125grn Cor Bon 9mm in a 16" levergun gives up about 700 fps to a 125grn Cor Bon .357mag.

I compare it to a 6" revolver, the latter having been used on deer. For 125 gn CorBons, they show about 125 fps difference.

There is a hunting load for the 9 that gets about 1300 fps with a cast 147 gn bullet in a carbine--not too shabby.

[RIHMFIRE]

I heard yesterday it made here in the US....
Probably with Uberti parts

[COSteve]

Per BBTI, a 125grn Cor Bon 9mm in a 16" levergun gives up about 700 fps to a 125grn Cor Bon .357mag.

I compare it to a 6" revolver, the latter having been used on deer. For 125 gn Cor Bons, they show about 125 fps difference.

There is a hunting load for the 9 that gets about 1300 fps with a cast 147 gn bullet in a carbine--not too shabby.

My 158grn handloaded .357mag using Lil'Gun powder, produces 1,952 fps and 1,337 ft/lbs ME in my carbine. That's a .001" larger bullet that weighs more than the 9mm and it's going some 652 fps faster and producing 785 ft/lbs more ME (over twice as much).

The fact is that a 9mm cartridge in a rifle barrel can't come close to the performance of a .357mag no matter what you do.

[KWK]

Quite true, but my point is the 9 is good enough for many uses.

[Griff]

I have a feeling this will appeal to a segment of the market that uses the 9mm for gun games and will be looking for alternatives if the .gov gets their way and bans semi-auto rifles again. The made in USA is likely a draw. My understanding is that Taylor's is the manufacturer. I heartily wish them success.

[COSteve]

Quite true, but my point is the 9 is good enough for many uses.

I agree that for many of you who own 9mm handguns, the attractiveness of a carbine in that caliber would be compelling. My comments weren't disparaging the caliber but rather a statement of preference.

For me, as I don't own a 9mm anything, it has no value to me. Further, as I shoot my leverguns at 200 to 300 yds, the higher velocities are necessary for a trajectory that is useful at that range. I have 1 small cased carbine, an original Ruger Police Carbine in 40s&w, and it's max useful range is only about 125 yds with my hottest handloads.

A number of folks at our range have 9mm carbines and we've agreed that the 9mm has about the same max useful range as well. You see, all of the small cased pistol calibers are at a distinct disadvantage vs the larger cased pistol calibers usually associated with a revolver as they don't have the case capacity to effectively use the slower burning magnum type pistol powders the larger cased calibers can.

The smaller cased calibers usually only gain a couple hundred fps out of a levergun as they just don't have enough powder in the case and many are slowing down in a barrel length over 16". That compares to the larger cased calibers using the magnum powders which gain 500 - 700 fps in a levergun. My chrono data shows that my .357mag and .45 Colt handloads are still accelerating in barrels as long as 24".

[Ysabel Kid]

Not my cup of tea for that price but remember, the 9mm is now the cheapest centerfire round available. That could mean a lot of shooting, especially if one does not reload. And as a companion to a 9mm pistol? Wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

[AmBraCol]

Judging from the amount of 9mm brass one often finds on the range, there's a segment of the population that's likely going to find it quite attractive in concept. Time will tell if they're willing to pony up the $$$ for it though.

[Grizz]

my kel tec 9mm is fun and easy to shoot, and knocks down the cowboy silhouette targets at the Winthrop gun range, up on Hwy 153. i reckon it's a suitable house and garden gun . . .

[Grizz]

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[junkbug]

Taylor’s kind of missed the mark. A 9mm lever gun is a great idea for anyone who doesn’t reload, online bulk ammo is half the cost of.38special. But a $2000 gun is too much, I bet the idea will sell if somebody make a 92 clone for 6 to 700 dollars.

[marlinman93]

Just my opinion, but I think it's a bit ugly. And who needs a recoil pad on an 1873 in 9mm? For $2100 I'd expect something closer to originals.

[wvfarrier]

I personally think the barrel length of 18" was a bad decision. 16 should be the max for legal reasons but you are not gaining anything after 12". I have tried a bunch of 9mm carbines over the years and you can actually lose velocity in longer barrels

[Ysabel Kid]

Taylor’s kind of missed the mark. A 9mm lever gun is a great idea for anyone who doesn’t reload, online bulk ammo is half the cost of.38special. But a $2000 gun is too much, I bet the idea will sell if somebody make a 92 clone for 6 to 700 dollars.

Agreed, especially if they up the rounds it holds. 10? Seriously?

[Noah Zark]

I bought one despite the cost, and although it's a tackdriver the barrel OD is pretty large (for an eventual 45 ACP?) which IMO makes the TC73 is heavy and clubby. The longer I handle it, the less I like it.

Noah

[Bill in Oregon]

Absolutely not. Never. Ever.

[Lastmohecken]

I don't see much use for it over a 357 mag instead. I was looking at the specs and one thing I think they messed up on is they gave it a 14" length of pull. That too long, that makes it hard for a kid to shoot and I find 14 inches a little long for me even. It should have been 13.5" or shorter. And it even looks out of balance to me, with that long a stock, and 18 inch barrel.

[Lastmohecken]

I don't see much use for it over a 357 mag instead. I was looking at the specs and one thing I think they messed up on is they gave it a 14" length of pull. That too long, that makes it hard for a kid to shoot and I find 14 inches a little long for me even. It should have been 13.5" or shorter. And it even looks out of balance to me, with that long a stock, and 18 inch barrel.

As a matter of fact, I just went and measured several of Winchester leverguns, and a Uberti rifle, and the longest length of pull was 13.5" and the shortest was 13-1/8" all factor length of pulls. Who is the skinny chested orangutang who decided to go with 14"? Of course one could have buttstock shortened but that will cost another $150 to 250 dollars, and in my area anymore, finding a decent gunsmith that can do a good job, is getting hard to find.

[jkbrea]

I like the idea but 10mm would be a better choice IMHO

I think Marlin came out with a 10mm levergun

[Bob Hatfield]

9mm would be the perfect caliber in this rifle and a SAA for a pragmatist. Cheap ammo, many rounds in the gun. We all play and emulate Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, Brian Pearce, Tim Sundles, Matt Dillon, or the "man with no name" packing our 44's and 45's. A pragmatist can do that and pretend the 9mm is what they used. It goes bang cheaply and I can imagine it loaded with M-1152 or Buffalo bore loads and penetrating to high heaven, but I am not buying a 9mm Italian SAA or any 73 until you guys do.

[veeman]

Blasphemy!!