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I gotta admit, I probably wouldn’t do so myself because I’m stubborn, but God was kind enough to make my vision so bad I wouldn’t know which end of the gun was which, without putting on my glasses first, so ever since polycarbonate lenses became the norm, I have at least that level of protection, always.

Someone related to me….who let’s just say, inherited my stubbornness and nonconformity, wasn’t blessed with poor vision, so doesn’t have to wear glasses. He’s a perfectionist and can’t find goggles that he thinks are clear enough or sturdy, enough or whatever, so he still waiting to get a pair that suits him.

This is what happens when you are too close to a steel gong and the gong ‘shoots back’…

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(…I accused him of trying to imitate Trump:D )

While I was stitching up the left ear (sideways picture above), we noticed his wrist was bleeding, and there was a jacket fragment, there, and a couple small ones in his forehead.

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One thing that actually does help as far as gong ricochets is to suspend them with bolts, instead of just looping wire or chain through the holes. That causes them to tilt slightly forward, so ricochets are more likely to hit the ground rather than come back at ya.

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I’ve often knocked goings down by the bullet simply fragmenting and pieces of it shearing the exposed wire, but bolt heads are much less vulnerable to that. Occasionally, a direct hit will blow a bolt right through the hole of a hardened gong, though; the one above came close.

I have no idea why all of these photos appeared to be tilted to the left 90°. I promise I’ve not been listening to NPR….!
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Ouch.
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Dang that looks rough.

I didn't know that about the bolt thing, thanks. I have a couple small plates that I just hang from shepherd hooks, but I keep breaking the hooks.
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A buddy of mine has a .30 scar on his belly from shooting a 30-06 from the hip at steel from feet away. Chalk it up to young and dumb in his case. The base of the bullet came back with enough energy to stick to flesh through a T-shirt.

Doc, have your 'patient' look into the DECOT shooting glasses. Changeable lenses and the can do Rx as well.
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GunnyMack wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 4:46 am Doc, have your 'patient' look into the DECOT shooting glasses. Changeable lenses and the can do Rx as well.
An old friend of mine wore the Decot shooting glasses as his everyday glasses. If you weren't a shooter, you'd never notice the difference between those and ordinary glasses.
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Eyes and ears always. I had an overpressure round blow in a 1917 Enfield, got a faceful of gas that might've taken my eye if it weren't for glasses. It was that sketchy Korean surplus M2 ball that KB'd a few M1's at Garand matches 20 years or so ago.
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That's a Great tip about the Gong! And Yes Try to always where Eye protection . I have had six eye surgery's and even a generation ago I would be blind by now. Running the chain saw I couldn't where safety glasses in warmer weather as the sweat drove Me nuts. chips from the wood always fly all over . I went to a local Saw shop that sells everything and picked up a 3 in one helmet that has built in ear muffs and a screen that flips down past your chin to protect your eyes. It gives Me a little piece of mind.
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Sorry for the "relative's" injury, but whoever hung those targets might be partially to blame. They did A good job on getting the targets to tilt so ricochets are most likely to impact the ground first... but using hex head bolts leave projections on the face of the target that provide surfaces that have a tendency to fragment bullets, whether lead or jacketed. Using a "carriage" bolt with its rounded head vs the angular hex head will reduce this effect. My local rifle club has no steel targets, doesn't allow them on the range, paper punching & clay bird busting only... I still wear my eye protection whenever I'm firing a gun!

So, yes... ALWAYS wear eye protection! It's not just protecting one's visual receptors from flying lead or copper fragments, it also protects the same from escaping gases, whether from simply a loose action or an actual cartridge malfunction. (Pierced primer, split cartridge, etc.). While some cowboy clubs are less adamant about hearing protection, the one common rule is that NO ONE is allowed on the shooting line without eye protection, spectators, helpers & shooter's alike.
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I’m really careful about shooting steel and I always wear eye protection regardless of the distance. You see a lot of crazy things flying around and sometimes I hear something hit the top of my hat.
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Another thing I recently found are UNDERDOGS. A pair of lenses that clip to the underside of your ball cap and flip up or down. Very reasonable at $70. They make multiple colors, UV blocking and clear.
I gotta admit I wasn't real pleased at first due to fogging up but I WAS wearing an N95 while doing demo work. But they have grown on me as no matter what when I cut plywood I always get sawdust in my eyes!
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:49 pm I’m really careful about shooting steel and I always wear eye protection regardless of the distance. You see a lot of crazy things flying around and sometimes I hear something hit the top of my hat.
Amen to that.

This was a perfect storm- 2/3 of a .38/158 grain SWC that came down off a plate, hit a spinner stuck at 45 degrees and came back 15 yards 'singing the graveyard blues' as my Dad used to say. Didn't go real deep (was able to remove it with needle nose pliers) but smarted some. Wore a nice welt for awhile after it healed up.

"Just a flesh wound" LOL

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I’m a big steel target fan but learned some lessons along the way when I was much younger. Fortunately my lessons by God’s Grace were mostly- dang that could have been bad, better not do that again- flavor versus injurious.

Can you comment on which cartridge, bullet type, and distance to target was involved?

Heck, thinking back some of those lessons involved pellet guns and stuff around the yard and a kid. The sidewall of an old tire and a cheap break barrel air rifle come to mind. Good thing I was shooting from far enough away because that pellet came nearly straight back.
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A buddy of mine took a 556 round in the arm, we were standing outside the newly built, half million dollar shoot house when 556 Swaged itself through a corner that was only tac welded! It was nasty! I wear shooting glasses when I’m mowing too, used to wear a pair all the time on patrol, had Buddy get glass fragments in his face when he took rounds in the windshield during a pursuit!
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JRD wrote: Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:44 pm
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Heck, thinking back some of those lessons involved pellet guns and stuff around the yard and a kid. The sidewall of an old tire and a cheap break barrel air rifle come to mind. Good thing I was shooting from far enough away because that pellet came nearly straight back.
Same here. We kept a 5mm Sheridan Blue Streak around the farm when I was a kid and I plinked a lot with it. I took a shot at the head of a nail holding an electric fence insulator (no thought about the insulator if I missed, dumb kid) and hit it dead center with the pellet coming straight back. I could see it but couldn't get out of the way fast enough and it hit me just below the left collarbone. Didn't penetrate the field coat luckily.

Since I'm telling tales, I've also got a small chip in the ulna of my right forearm from a .30 cal steel core coming back at me. Felt like getting hit a glancing blow with a hammer. I'd like to think I'm smarter now
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The round was a 9mm FMJ from a Glock 17. DIstance probably 20 yards.
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Wow. I'm actually quite surprised to hear a 9mm FMJ from a handgun had fragments with that much energy from 20 yards. Plus he got hit with multiple fragments. It must have really been the perfect storm of bad alignment coming off the target hung like that.

I was thinking a rifle round at that kind of distance.
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i shot at a pig in close cover with a SXS 12ga and 1 oz slugs and missed. Slug literally bounced off a hardwood tree about 20 yards to the front of me and buzzed back over my head. Not sure if glasses would have helped of that hit, but yeah I double up on the ears and protect eyes for any load development. Nice reminder Doc
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I shoot at steel gongs every week but the closest one is always at about 35 to 40 yards away, the farthest at close to 70. We used to shoot at a heavy gong at about 25 yards and were getting occasional bullet fragments back at that distance from jacketed bullets including .22s. Nowadays the heavier gongs are farthest away, the lighter ones swinging to hits more quickly and deflecting particles into the ground, leaving depressions in the dirt up to 6' on either side of the gongs.

The lead bullets I shoot disintegrate upon impact but in spite of my shooting buddy using only jacketed bullets we have had no incident of fragments coming back at us. We both wear quality eye and ear protection and I double up on hearing protection; I've lost enough hearing for one lifetime.
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Hey Fellers, here on my farm I have a fairly nice handgun range, reset poppers, reset bowling pins , full size silhouette, 6" six plate rack, spinners, ECT and we shoot quite a bit. Kids, cops, sheriffs department ect, one thing that I am absolutely positive of....if you shoot at less than 50yds it's a possibility ,less than 35yds , eventually, and less than 25yds is a probability of being hit by frags or a whole deformed bullet. I've never seen anything come back that I thought could penatrate vital organs but could take an eye out in a instant. I make everyone wear good safety glasses, I keep several pair here for those don't have any. AND, just for humor...younger state cops and deputy sheriffs are always the ones who walk up to the plate rack, reach up with their left hand, pull off their aviators, a proceed to shoot plates..... John
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