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Bryan Austin

One purchases and shoots a Winchester 73' (44-40) because he has a love for the design, history and nostalgia. The Winchester 73', when loaded properly, can certainly hold it's own out to 250 yards. Modern 44-40 200gr loads can be pushed downrange at historic 1,325fps when using rifle powders like R...

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Carlson Highway, thanks for that information...it has been a continued education!

https://sites.google.com/view/44winches ... plex-loads

Bryan Austin

As many if not all of you know, Dupont No.1 came out in 1894. One popular cartridge it was used in as we know it today was the 45-70. This powder was packed in a round RED keg looking much like a medium sized can of beans. Years ago I became familiar with such powders when recently (past recent year...

Bryan Austin

I love it when some folks actually know what they are talking about!!!
Thanks John and Shasta....this needed a boot to the top.

Bryan Austin

I have some Winchester 209 primers from the mid 70's that have domed primer cups and later ones are flat. Quite possibly that punches wore out and were replaced with new ones that were flat. Thanks Elmo Also, it has been reported...... Pre-WWII, Winchester flip-flopped several times between oval an...

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Bryan, I started reloading in the late 60's. At that time most of the primers I was using were CCI. They were flat. The Federal and Winchester primers were domed. To keep from detonating them I had to grind the priming punch (original Lee Loader) to a concave shape. By the mid 1970's all the fresh ...

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I was looking at the WINCHESTER LITTLE BIG HORN CENTENNIAL 1876-1976 44-40 AMMO and it brought some questions. I noticed all of the boxes I could find on the net were coded LE which would be May 1976....of course right? Well, I also noticed a few that had flat primers rather than the "oval"...

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Just a blast from the past!

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Grizz wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:05 pm cool. thanks. I couldn't read it...

I have to use a desk top, I can't figure out how folks use cell phones and ipads!!!!

Bryan Austin

Grizz wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 7:00 pm I didn't see the bullet weight for the WHV rounds.... what is the weight on the velocity data? Thanks

Right on the sheet it says 200gr

Bryan Austin

in the chart I posted in my OP, has anyone seen any WHV Full Patch cartridges or boxes? I'd like to find photos and the K-code.

Bryan Austin

Great collection there Sixgun! I really enjoy LOOKING at that old stuff and learning. All my money was spent on airplane stuff back in the day. Tons of money on all kinds of books. I just can't do that with the gun stuff. I thank those that show us their collections. Most is seldom seen!!! A while b...

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Been here before but here are a couple of fine examples. 1909 10-9 HV a.png Untitledb.jpg 1903 - This 10-9 (Oct. 1909) dated label is the earliest W. H. V. examples I have seen. Manufactured specifically for the Winchester Model 1892, the JSP achieved 1,500fps. This side seal label is dated 1920. No...

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This box is dated 10-21, Oct 1921

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Oh, the M1873 and Schofield revolvers were long superseded by the Model 1909 when this particular 1920's ammo was manufactured, thus the shorter cartridge was still being used by the Military well into the 1920's.

Bryan Austin

You are welcome, thanks for sharing those photos!!!

To be clear, the "17NF" is the primer used, not a cartridge code.

Bryan Austin

I believe that you hit it pretty durn close. I never had a date for them but you've got it pretty well nailed down. About a month ago I was digging through an old box of stuff and came across the cartridges in the photo. I had put them away in a safe place and forgot about them. Thanks Jim! I did f...

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https://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/45_short_colt.htm I read Jim's article about the 45 Colt Government ammo ever so often to try and keep it fresh in my brain. This last time I read it I decided to try an maybe get a close date for the deteriorated ammo box. Jim please chime in if you know th...

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Thanks Fellas!!

I did have to change the address so ya might want to note the change. I broke down the boxes into two pages.

This one is 1960-2020
https://sites.google.com/view/44winches ... -1960-2020

Bryan Austin

Howdy guys, I am now interested in seeing what all ammo boxes were designed and used for the 44-40 by Winchester Winchester/Western. Mainly from the Yellow pre-child warning yellow boxes all the way to present day. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Here is what I have been working on lately. ht...

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NICE!!!!!!

Yeah, the wonderful world of the nutso 44-40...lol

Bryan Austin

Nice report Sixgun, thanks!! You bet, as you already know the 44-40 saga is a bit complicated and could be one reason it doesn't get the attention that the 45 Colt or the 45-70 gets as far as extending the loads. https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/handloading/ancient-history-part-1 https://s...

Bryan Austin

KirkD wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:01 pm
Bryan Austin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:17 pm Most Excellent!!!

Have you been able to chrono that load yet?
Yes. The average velocity out of a Model 1892 rifle was 1,325 fps. It may be slightly slower in a carbine due to the shorter barrel, but not much.

That is a great report! Thanks!!

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89286145_199605891257833_5743849911732928512_n.jpg 89186379_149665676159167_141210089376710656_n.jpg ollogger, I have used 240gr with great success with Reloder 7 at 1,425fps velocities at just above 11,000psi...about 13,000ish psi. What I discovered in my testing is that I got extreme spreads on p...

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Cool. I don't have a 44-40, but I love educational posts like this; they encourage me to do the same with one of my leverguns...! Thanks...just make sure you are using strong action leverguns like the Winchester 92', Marlin 1894 for the high pressure loads. https://sites.google.com/view/44wincheste...

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I was also playing with Ballistic-X, kind of cool.

High Pressure Loads

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2020 Starts a new year for shooting. Not sure what my plans are but I just might use the same loads and see how they perform from day to day, or in my case month by month. I won't be shooting anywhere near as much as I use to so don't expect many updates. Maybe check every couple months. I am back t...

Bryan Austin

Most Excellent!!!

Have you been able to chrono that load yet?

Bryan Austin

I had a few PM exchanges with John on this Web site. I instantly knew I was talking to a really nice, knowledgeable guy who wanted more than anything to help, and help he did. The fact that several have spoken so highly of him here is a testament to the man he was -- and is in the presence of his C...

Bryan Austin

John was the best and I miss corresponding with him.

https://sites.google.com/view/44winches ... /john-kort

Bryan Austin

FWIW, i bought 1894 marlin 44-40 barrel from Numrich and installed it on a glenfield 30 action (same action as a marlin 336). The barrel had a groove of 0.4295". I used 44 mag data for h110 and 240g jhp. I went up to the max load per the hodgdon website. No signsofpressure issue but i don't th...

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This might be of some interest in understanding pressures in the 44-40 early cartridges. https://curtisshawk21.wixsite.com/44centerfire/copy-of-early-smokeless-powders That is an excellent website. I would like to contribute material to it some time. I can do that..... Just let me know...email or m...

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This might be of some interest in understanding pressures in the 44-40 early cartridges.
https://curtisshawk21.wixsite.com/44cen ... ss-powders

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Most Excellent post Carlsen Highway!!! I never messed with duplex loads... I did test some H-4198 loads but limited. 26gr, 200gr Magma, CCI-300, Starline - 1,380fps @ 11,707psi...notes say 6 3/8" 10 shot group @ 100 yards 27.5gr...1,424fps @ 13,387psi My testings of original early unheadstamped...

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265 yard shots at a golfball. All four shots grouped at least 4"-5". Once in a lifetime shots? Probably.....but I did it!

High Velocity Load

https://www.marlinowners.com/forum/team ... ost7822253

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I no longer use photobucket!!

Photos, Marlin Model 1889 Manufactured in 1891. I added the tang sight.

https://www.marlinowners.com/forum/team ... ost7837695

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Ah heck, here are the rifles, both Group I and Group II Lyman lists nineteen rifles chambered for the 44-40. Group 1 (weak actions) Winchester Model 1873 Whitney Kennedy lever action Colt-Burgess lever action Marlin Model 1888 Colt Lightning pump action Replica Model 1873s (And I'd include replica...

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Why yes, yes you can! Lyman 49th list modern and vintage strong action rifles that can be loaded to 22,000cup! Here is a sneaky link! https://curtisshawk21.wixsite.com/44centerfire/ansi-saami-specs Lyman 49th page 300 lists 8gr of Red Dot with a Lyman 427098 that results in 1,290fps @ 21,900cup. Lym...

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I may have missed someone commenting.... but Sharpe actually seems to contradict himself. He immediately claims it is not sufficient for deer. Then turns right around a few sentences down and claims it is more powerful (knockdown power wise) than the 30-30 when properly loaded....with no further exp...

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On a side note; Grab some popcorn! "The Winchester bore diameter is .429. All available soft points are about .424. One shooter gets finest results by swaging .424 bullets to .429 for Winchester rifles. Remington and Marlin rifles measure .424, therefore factory bullets are satisfactory in thos...

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Just picked up a tang sight for the 1889 Marlin, should be here Thursday!

Bryan Austin

I am juiced. Ordered the John Kort Accurate 43-215C to play with over BP loads -- Swiss and Old Eynesford -- when the Uberti 73 gets here ... 8) When I went to one of the Kort lever action jubilees it was 15 years ago and seems to me he had an 1894CB 44-40 at the shoot as well as one in 45 Colt . O...

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Bill in Oregon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:34 pm I am juiced. Ordered the John Kort Accurate 43-215C to play with over BP loads -- Swiss and Old Eynesford -- when the Uberti 73 gets here ...

Perfect!!!

Bryan Austin

NICE!!!!

I am thinking of putting a tang sight on my Marlin 1889!

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Thanks guys, it was a blast!!

Bryan Austin

This morning was the morning I have been looking forward to for a long time! After all this load testing I finally got the scope back on the CB and opened her up on that illusive GOLF BALL at 265 yards. The Below is some detailed handloading information for this Group II rifle. Marlin 1894CB 44-40 B...

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How do those strain-gauges really work....... It took me nearly 10 years to finally purchase one. I could not find much information about them, not many reviews etc. Only saw two videos with folks using them so I just had my doubts. I didn't really doubt the program as much as I doubted my ability ...

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A tad off topic, but it was fun.

Target was the black dot just under the white dot just above the big targets.....was the safest place to be down range!

44-40 Uberti "Buckhorn" Single Action Revolver. (44 magnum frame) @ 100 yards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s771FOfv0l8

Bryan Austin

The 92' was a strong action rifle, unlike the 73'...and could shoot Winchesters High Velocity cartridges that produced 22,000cup....approx. 18,000psi in my testings. I do not have a 92' BUT my Marlin shoots well with those HV loads. Shot these this morning...gun shoots great, but I don't! YOUTUBE VI...

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Many thanks for the kind words...as John would say!! The 44-40 is a great cartridge to experiment and play with...I like the 1894 Marlin the best, maybe because mine has a perfect bore. Nice post AND a good reminder to dig in the old powders. Thank you...great info....In the first web link, a lot o...

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