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Seems like I remember Speer used to make 3/4 Jacket pistol ammo ? Yup, 146gr HP and a 160 SWC! Wish they still made those! If I remember right, both of those were swaged bullets, like the .308 110HP varmint bullets that work great in 30 Carbine, and which they still make from time to time. Yep, I s...

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samsi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:42 pm Buffalo Bore lists a "Heavy" 44 Special 180 jhp at 1200 from a 6". Probably 1450-1500 from a Trapper, definitely not subsonic but I bet it's a good load.

Yep I am sure they are but I really want subsonic and less recoil

Thank's

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I think those burrs on screw slots are where he disassembled it. You have to realize the sides of the locking bolt don't do anything functional other than keep the bolts straight in the mortise. The bearing surfaces are top front where cams breech bolt and rear surfaces. IIRC tge Rossi mortise is c...

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Has anyone chronographed HSM 38 special Factory Cowboy RNFP Lead ammunition when Shot from a Rossi 92 with 16 inch barrel to see how much velocity gain there is compared to the Listed velocity for a pistol length barrel ?

Thanks

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Bronco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:51 am Have you shot them ?? Would like to see a few pictures of the targets.

No,I have done any shooting yet still trying to make up my mind about my choice of ammo

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I recently bought a Rossi 92 Stainless and took it apart enough to take one coil off of the ejector spring and 1.5 inch off the magazine spring . Had some difficulty getting it back together but anyway here are some pics of the bolt. I have worked the action about 100 times without lubrication and l...

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"I would much rather shoot a deer in the Lungs with a 240 JHP 44 Magnum than a .223 FMJ in the Lungs with the same shot placement. And by and large would expect the deer to drop faster with the 240 JHP 44 Magnum than with the .223 that penciled through" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KVa_I...

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The reality is most expanding bullets for 44 will not expand subsonically. I would say the only RNFP that would expand low speed are very soft cast and I dont know a lot about them so cant comment. For jacketed bullets your best bet is the JHP designed for 44 special velicotes. I did a bit of study...

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JimT wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 9:07 pm I run my '92 mostly dry. Wipe with an oily rag and then with a dry rag.

That sounds like it would work pretty good, wipe most of it off which would leave just a tiny bit on the key surfaces.

Thanks Jim

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Griff wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:40 pm I've started using Lucas' "RedNTacky" synthetic grease everywhere I used to use other brands/products.

I have never used Lucas Grease but I have used a little Lucas Oil in Vehicles

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bcraig

Lubriplate 130 (what they issued for rifles during WWII and is still available), sparingly, on the locking bolts, nose of the lever which actuates the bolt, bottom and sides of the bolt, on the sides of the lifter/carrier, particularly near the ball/detent. Everything else gets the original Break-F...

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Last year I found a couple of hundred rounds of "Scorpion" bullets I reloaded in the late 70s in .38 SPL. They still fired and were just as accurate as when I first loaded them. Looks like a canidate for some massive expansion ! Thanks They were GREAT revolver loads for low to mid loads a...

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I have never owned a 92 and going to put some red grease on mine and wondering where are the key points to put some grease on and keep on ?
Going to use a q-tip to put a little on those key places.

Thanks

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I think maybe a lot of people from different states say this nameing their state
In Arkansas where I am from, the old saying is "if you dont like the weather just wait a few minutes and it will change !"

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Why would you want expansion? Inquiring minds want to know ..... :) Aw, I dont know Jim Probably a regular RNFP would work fine for Home defense in both calibers especially the 44 I am Just thinking a RNFP with a Hollowpoint that would expand would be more better :) Expansion does not always help a...

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148 gr hollow base wad cutter in the 38. Remington had a 44 240gr semi jacket hp that probably work fairly well at special velocities but again you would have to load your own. Haven't seen those 44 bullets in a long time... I have about 75 of the 38 special wadcutters from back in my teens but wou...

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I remember when In our teens several of my friend's and I had our Dads take us out to Clayton New Mexico Antelope Hunting and supposedly they were having record highs and none of us even broke into a sweat. With all of us being from Arkansas we were used to Farming in Heat that was even as low as 80...

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If it was Walnut I would say keep it but oak burn it except some small limbs I would make into a few walking canes and staffs.

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JimT wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:54 am Why would you want expansion? Inquiring minds want to know .....

Aw, I dont know Jim
Probably a regular RNFP would work fine for Home defense in both calibers especially the 44
I am Just thinking a RNFP with a Hollowpoint that would expand would be more better

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148 gr hollow base wad cutter in the 38. Remington had a 44 240gr semi jacket hp that probably work fairly well at special velocities but again you would have to load your own. Haven't seen those 44 bullets in a long time... I have about 75 of the 38 special wadcutters from back in my teens but wou...

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKnmMN167PA&pp=ygUTLjM4IHNwZWNpYWwgY2FyYmluZQ%3D%3D In this test, the tried and true "fbi load" averaged 1,081 fps. Yes, he does some good test and and that load looks like it would very well for what I am looking for And the 38 special in my carbine will...

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FTX makes a good 357-140 and a 200 or 225 for the 44 that would work well at the speeds you want BUT you will have to load them; no ammo available. Unaware of any FTX 44sp at all. The 38sp is only a 110 gr that would certainly be supersonic from 16". Plus it's a different FTX that isn't really...

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Sarge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:48 pm I believe Hornady FTX will meet your needs, with a rubber tip that should be safe in tube magazines.

Will it stay subsonic from the 16 inch barrel?

Thanks

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Been thinking more about about self defense ammo out of a 16 inch barreled Rossi 92 38 Special And out of a 16 inch Barreled Rossi 92 44 Special For general shooting in the back yard and to keep both Carbines Loaded with inside the House for home defense I am wanting to keep the Performance Subsonic...

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Tycer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:24 pm
bcraig wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:39 pm [

Thanks
Wait. You need to buy Steve’s CD and ejector spring. Www.stevesgunz.com

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I am going to do some searching online and see if I can find an animation on How the Rossi 92 Works,is the Rossi 92 similair enough to The Winchester 92 that information for one is information for the other ? Thanks Yes sir. It's a good copy. Some Winchester 92 parts fit the Rossi's. Thank you much

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Agree, Earl. I have never read any of his books, but read many of his articles in back issues of American Rifleman. A man worth listening to. A great deal of wisdom and field experience is distilled in his terse comment, "A .30-06 is never a mistake." There's an Alaskan guide feller named...

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With the 158 gr. JHP I would not polish the chamber to correct that. Feeding is controlled by the cartridge guides and most likely some adjustment needs to be made there. But THAT is a very touchy point to mess with if you don't have the tools and the experience or someone who can walk you through ...

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way back on a different forum there was a video posted by a Swedish hunter that showed him unloading the magazine by backing the cartridges out the way they went in. this involves making the loading gate amenable to pushing past the cartridge with finger pressure, which allows the cartridge to back...

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[ I was not quite sure what you meant in your article abpout de-tensioning the loading Gate spring,whether you meant removing the Loading gate and bending it or just Depressing the Loading gate repeatedly to give it a set? Also the gun will feed some 357 Magnum semi wadcutters I loaded back in my t...

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. I've fired really old and really corroded ammo, but ALWAYS in a very strong gun. Also I avoid semi-autos for that sort of thing. Old 22 LR in a Contender Pistol - hard to find a stronger action I'd think, nor an easier to clean one. Old 45 ACP in a Ruger Redhawk Convertible 45 Colt/ACP - super st...

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Paladin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:15 pm Last year I found a couple of hundred rounds of "Scorpion" bullets I reloaded in the late 70s in .38 SPL. They still fired and were just as accurate as when I first loaded them.

Looks like a canidate for some massive expansion !
Thanks

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I've shot ammunition that was made in the 1890's and most of it worked just fine. There was a hangfire with some of them but they all went off. In the 1970's I bought a bunch of .22's that were made in the late 1940's and early 1950's. It had not been kept in a cool dry place but most all of it sho...

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Ray wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:49 am Cool find.....one thing about old, long forgotten then found ammo, if you have a dud is it due to age or would it have been a dud when it was still young ? No way of knowing but we seem to always assume age/moisture the cause when it might have indeed been a bad one from the factory.

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I think the ammo for the 586 is newer than you think. The 586 wasn't introduced until 1980. I'd try all of this ammo and see how it goes. Even if you lose a case it wont harm the gun. If you do, then I'd not shoot anymore of that particular ammo and dispose of it. I had already Had a Dan wesson 357...

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He got it back together. :) Yours should go like that also. The only thing differently that I do is I usually put the lever and locking lugs in after I have the tang installed. You might try that. Sometimes it helps to have another set of hands to help hold things. Anyone you can get to help? Thank...

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It could be that you need to hold the trigger back (in the "fired" position) when you slide the tang in. Without having it in my hands it is hard to tell for sure. Putting the rifle back together, make sure you do it in the reverse of taking it apart. Install the lower tang before you ins...

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Leverguns Online Field-Strip .... https://leverguns.com/articles/taylor/field_strip.htm Rossi article https://leverguns.com/articles/taylor/rossi.htm [/quo I tried lookin mine over and took the Ejector out and had no problem doing so and took the spring out and had no problems . I tried putting it ...

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Steve has a plug to fill in the hole left by removing the safety as well as the peep sight. I have the bolt peep sight on my 20" carbine (started out with the plug) and the plug on my 24" rifle as my rifle has a tang mounted rear sight. I replaced the rear sight on my rifle to one that fo...

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I found some old ammo at the house while I was pilfering through a pile of gun stuff. I found 38 special full wad cutters about 75 or so And I know that at least 50 years old and factory loads as I never loaded wadcutters,all the cases are tarnished and wit some having what looks like rust on the br...

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When you first described the .44 before posting the first fotos I had doubts but those two are okay by my mister mcgoo vision and not at all gaudy.....I hope they serve you well ! Thanks I not only like the way that they look But more importantly I am reminded that 1776 is remembered as a day that ...

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Here are a couple of pics of the Rossi 92 44 Magnum Little Brother. Rossi 92 38/Special/357 Magnum https://i.imgur.com/J32mnjs.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v3q51Q9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IPiYHWV.jpg Rusty ,our little Female tortoiseshell Kitty seems to approve ! And Snowball ,our not so little Male Kitt...

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:) I remember playing around the reloading reloading room and put some 4895 in a 44 mag ( as much as it would hold under a 300 gr cast bullet, just for shits and grins . The bullets did leave the barrel, you could almost see them and if you were really really frugal you could get quite a bit to pou...

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. You'll undoubtedly have fun with that little rifle. It's a can-do for about everything you might want or need from a gun: - plinking, with everything from light 'cowboy' loads to full-house Magnum loads - hunting, anything from groundhog to moose, with the right bullet and load - home protection,...

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Rube Burrows wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:20 am Nice rifle.

While I like the looks of Blued as well I like this Stainless engraved and think the 1776 is very unique and fitting as a reminder.
Thanks for the compliment on the carbine

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4t5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 7:30 am That should be a thumper on both ends !

I had a Marlin years ago and yea for sure it was a little kicker
With this Rossi which is lighter I spect that it will Kick even more.
I imagine I am going to keep it loaded with 44 specials as long as it with function well with them.

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NKJ’s DVD on slicking up and improving the Rossi 92 has a lot of good and easy and inexpensive suggestions. He even sells the parts if you want to do it that way. I used Steve's DvD and parts to slick up 3 Rossis, a 20" .357mag carbine and two 24" .357mag rifles back in 2009 when they wer...

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good advice from all above. I have no DIY skills, the most I did on my own with my Rossis is work them a lot of times whilst watching TV as you intend. I did have a bevel in the mag tube, sharp load gate and extractor which was nicking rims on one of my Rossi's. I had this attended to by a gunsmith...

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I dont know how heavy the firing pin is in the Rossi, the older Winchester 94s had a fairly heavy pin. I broke the tip off mine dry firing. I used an empty shell, but they dent in quickly and dont do much good after maybe 3 or 4 strikes. I took it to a local gunsmith, the first thing he said when i...

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Several years ago I bought a brand new SS Rossi .357 and did the sitting on the couch working the action, it did help smooth it up a bit, I rarely dry fire anything so can't answer about that or the length of the mag spring other than I would be cautious about cutting too much. Just like any new fi...

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