Israeli carry

[4t5]

Anyone use this method ?

[wvfarrier]

Not seeing anything

[JimT]

Only until I get my pants on.
Then it's cocked and locked.

[AJMD429]

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What's 'Israeli Carry'...???

[Bruce Scott]

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What's 'Israeli Carry'...???

Empty chamber with a loaded magazine in the grip.

[4t5]

https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical ... condition/
I’m pocket carrying a bodyguard 2.0 and been using this method , for it’s inherent safety , mostly because of the sig sauer fiasco .

[Scott Tschirhart]

I thought it might be overkill to hire an Israeli to carry your pistol for you.

But now that I know your definition…. No.

[piller]

Even though any safety might malfunction, I have a Taurus which I carry most of the time. It has been reliable. My other Carry gun for when I need a smaller gon is a Kel Tec.

[Steve in MO]

Israeli carry is dangerous and outdated. No one teaches it, no one advocates for it. If I need my gun, I need it loaded right now, not trying to load it while my non-gun hand is tied up with a child, pushing my spouse out of the way, or fighting a bad guy who just attacked me. In teaching many Force on Force classes, I never saw anyone able to draw, chamber a round and fire before the attacker reached them, and that was with knowing the attacker was coming after them. By surprise and under stress? Not gonna happen.

[4t5]

Not having a firearm is dangerous , everything else less so.

[AJMD429]

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When we were just building our house and had toddlers and babies crawling all over the place and no separate bedroom yet, although I had a gun safe, I would keep my carry gun at that time in that manner figuring a child under the age of six would have an incredibly hard time chambering a 1911. In order to avoid chambering and re chambering and all that When I'd go to work I did take the shortcut of carrying all the time and what I guess would be called condition three in that format I think.

After seeing cases where people were attacked and didn't have two hands free to chamber their gun I changed my mind, and I got a rapid access gun safe to deal with the problem of child access.

[Griff]

When I was in the Navy, I stood in-port quarter deck watches, the 1911 was holster, full mag inserted, nothing in the chamber. This was in a standard military full flap holster. IOW: condition 3. The only time I had problem was a drunk sailor who threatened me by coming at me in a karate fighting stance from about 15 feet away. The gun was in my hand, cocked & locked before he finished his first step. Incident went no further. Adrenaline is your friend.

[765x53]

So, the same as U.S. Army carry?

[Bob Hatfield]

If you ever watch those Israeli soldiers draw a Glock and chamber a round and fire, you'd think it was Jerry Miculek they do it so fast. I'm sure they practiced till the cows (camels) came home.

The only kind of auto I would carry with an empty chamber is one without a safety (like a Glock) if I didn't have a holster. Plus, it would have to be an "easy chambering" auto. Glock 17's chamber easy for me. My Glock 43X not so much. 1911's don't chamber easy for me at all. I couldn't see the need in carrying a single'/double action auto with an empty chamber.

[jeepnik]

So, the same as U.S. Army carry?

Well, there's the way the manual says, and then there's the way it's actually done. I worked with a pilot who insisted all firearms be cleared (that also meant no mag). It's amazing how rapidly he changed his mind.

[Sarge]

https://www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-brie ... ssad-draw/

[jeepnik]

I'd like to see a timer on that. But my observation, particularly from the front view is that you will be hit by the first draw before you can get your "Mossad" draw on target. Simple physics. Movement takes time. There is less movement in the conventional draw.

Now if Mossad guy sling shotted the slide and then immediately fired while the pistol is horizontal and not fully extended, it holding it one handed it might, just might, be a draw.

[Lastmohecken]

When my kids were young, I kept a 1911 in condition 3, because I figured that they would not be able to rack the slide. I didn't have any fancy safes and also, my 1911 doubled as my competition gun, for IPSC back in the Jeff Cooper days, so it had a fairly light trigger on it. Also, in the early days of legal CCW for our state, I carried a 1911 in condition 3 in a horizontal shoulder holster, and when we went somewhere as a family, my gun would be technically pointed at my son in the back seat of the car, while I was driving. I chose maximum safety over speed, but at least I had a gun on me, but I was pretty fast from condition 3.

Another mode of carry, I used to do, quite a bit, was condition 2, which is hammer down on a loaded round with a 1911. I even purpose built (modified) a Springfield lightweight Milspec 4 inch barreled 1911 for condition 2 carry with an old school replacement hammer that had a large hammer spur on it. It was very positive to cock or lower the hammer down on a live round. I don't carry it much anymore, but I still own it. People (modern gun instructors in particular) really bad mouth the condition 2 carry, and not without good reason, considering the modern commander hammer, so mainstream on 1911's now days, but with the old style hammers, it's a viable method, if you are very practiced, and use good technique. But now days, I carry cocked and locked with a gun that I trust completely, for that purpose.

But with the right hammer on the gun, I will carry condition 2 before condition 3, if I was worried about cocked and locked for some reason.

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