Why 357 only?

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Why 357 only?

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My "google-fu" failed me on this. Why, do newer Miroku 1892's, say 357 mag only? I have run some 38s through mine with no problems. Is there an issue?
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It also says factory ammo only somewhere. It’s all lawyers.
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Re: Why 357 only?

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SOME 38 Special cartridges won't feed all that well in the leverguns, but most have in most of my 357 Mag leverguns. Has to do with balance of cartridge, bullet profile, overall length, etc., and tinkering with the load and seating seems to fix it for most folks who use handloads.

AND in theory after tons of shooting shorter 38 Special cased ammo in a longer 357 Mag chamber, there can be a 'crud ring' in the front of the chamber that MIGHT make for sticky extraction or even difficult chambering (never had that in my Marlin 1894 CSS and 1894 CST despite almost exclusive use of the shorter cartridges). That should respond to cleaning so I don't see it as an issue.
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Re: Why 357 only?

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That makes sense.

I only ask because my favorite "magnum" load is built on 38 +p brass. It will not feed at all using magnum brass since C.O.A.L is too long but is phenominal in the 38 +p configuration.
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I have an 81 BLR that says .243 Only
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.38 Spl &.357 Magnum are two divergent length cartridges, in order to make both work in the same action, some parameters must be compromised. Most notably the position and shape of the slots in the cartridge guides, This compromise has been the source of many complaints about the inability of the action to feed booth cartridges with equal ease... It means that either cartridge just fit within that window of compatibility. Maybe Winchester just tired of the complaints and decided to forgo the multi-chambering. Note that the same single listing is not given under the specifications for the 1873. In this model the ramp at the lower front of the carrier provides a convenient platform to allow various lengths of cartridges. It does have a limitation, as the ramps function is the force the next cartridge back into the magazine tube as the carrier is raised. The best source for an answer would be Winchester.
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Re: Why 357 only?

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I don’t know but my Jim Taylor modified Rossi and my Marlin both feed .38 Special just as well as they feed .357s

I would think that this is an overall length issue and a long bullet in a ..38 Special case would work just fine.
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Re: Why 357 only?

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Im inclined not to care whats stamped on the gun in this case as a357 can fire 38 and a 44mag can fire 44 special. Whether they feed them well comes down to more than what the gun is stamped with anyway since a particular lever gun will have its own idea of what COAL and nose profiles it likes. On a side note of the 5 rossis I have owned in 357 and 44 only one didnt like specials.
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