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The Constitution- Am I the only one who cares?

#1 Post by Bridger » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:06 am

In several different places, I have brought up the fact that there are some Constitutional issues, I believe, with some of the actions that the government is taking at all levels. And I feel like this is a discussion that really needs to be had, because I believe that our rights are to be preserved absolutely, no matter the “crisis”. But every time I bring that up I am made out to be ignorant, uncaring, and told I am part of the current problem. In general I get berated.

I am really bothered by the people mindlessly following govt orders, even people who otherwise don’t like big govt.

I know that this is serious, and can be deadly serious for some, but I also believe there is risk that comes with living in a free country (or at least it used to be).

Does anybody agree with me that this is something we need to discuss or am I just the last man standing that is not in full on panic mode?

And I used to really like Trump, but his shift to full on socialism has about soured me on him.....
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#2 Post by Bridger » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:09 am

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-a ... oronavirus

Here’s a great article I found that concurs with my thoughts...
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#3 Post by Booger Bill » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:15 am

In my case I am laid up physically recovering from a broken hip and other stuff. If I wasn't and wanted to go someplace I probably would as I hardly ever go in a crowded place anyway unless it`s a casino about once or twice a year for a couple hours and they are shutdown anyway. My wife has been doing the driving, I go along and just sit in the truck and wait, listen to the radio, (Rush) and observe while she shops. If nothing else it`s a good time to be laid up. I broke the hip and got a replacement last may, was just getting better and fell and cracked it again a couple months ago along with other problems. Been a real drag!

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#4 Post by piller » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:22 pm

No, you are not wrong to question governmental overreach. Our founding laws are designed to protect us from politicians. Though I am not a Constitutional Scholar, I am fully capable of reading a legal dictionary and understanding what I have read. (Or, readed if you are in the News and must add the -ed to a word because you are not intelligent enough to know the correct pronunciation based on context)
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#5 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:37 pm

Every time this kind of thing comes up, I'm reminded of why I'm NOT just a 'conservative', but rather a LIBERTARIAN.

ONLY the libertarians (and I don't necessarily mean the Libertarian Party) seem to feel that the best government is that which does only the absolute minimum necessary at any given level, and that the largest portion of government 'power' should be at the local/county level, with the 'higher' levels only serving either a) to settle disputes between lower levels, or b) provide for the collective defense of those levels.

I normally think the 'left' is insane, power-hungry, racist, materialistic, greedy, and wants to force their 'values' on everyone else through violence. All of that is hard to dispute. So that means I normally 'side' with the 'right' because it keeps the 'left' in check. Unfortunately, the 'right' is also populated, at least at the political-level, with the same type of people, and although they type of police-state tyranny they would create is different, there is the same lack of respect for human sovereignty and freedom.

A good 'litmus-test' for whether someone supports REAL freedom or not is whether or not they support the 'war on drugs'. Most 'conservatives' sadly do, because they aren't thinking deeply enough about the issue. Yes, 'drug abuse' is bad, terrible, destructive, and so on, and could even be said to be immoral - BUT that simply means it is an IMPORTANT issue - NOT a 'government' issue. Far better the churches handle all 'moral' issues, and the government stick to actual 'crime' (not 'vice'). Supporting the 'war on drugs' means supporting 'gun control' and waiving the first, fourth, fifth, ninth, and tenth amendments. It is just as stupid as supporting the 'war on poverty' via government welfare. The Church will feed you, and help you learn to grow a garden, or give you produce you can can and preserve yourself, so you become strong and independent. The Government will give you Food Stamps so you will remain addicted to government.

Unfortunately, as long as we have a 'two-party' system, we will always feel compelled to select the 'lesser of two evils', and that will always be evil.

Pushing towards a different voting system, where a citizen could vote for ALL candidates they would support, instead of only one, would solve the problem fairly quickly.
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#6 Post by Bridger » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:33 pm

Thanks for the input guys! Maybe I’m not so far off the rails lol
I especially like hearing your thoughts, AJ, as a Doctor who also understands the evils of government.

Here’s more fuel to my argument.....
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... s-pandemic#
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#7 Post by Ray » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:32 pm

The world seems to have gone mad !

I confess to adding to the ammo stocking rush by ordering a few thousands of rounds.....

Around here we just dodged getting a few hundred of the quarantined from one of the cruise ships.....

The only thing that prevented it was the fact that there were only eight ventilator equipped icu rooms available and that the main runway had trees growing

from cracks in the tarmac.....

the abandoned airfield had not been used for anything larger than chinooks since 1999......

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#8 Post by Ysabel Kid » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:39 pm

Fully right to be concerned. I don't think Trump is truly adverse to big government solutions, but in this case, I also don't think he realistically has any choice. If he cedes the field to the left, and they appear to be "doing something", it is all over for him as President and the GOP this fall. Unfortunately, the majority of the electorate simply doesn't understand basic economics, nor our constitutional republic's founding principles (nor, apparently, basic epidemiology). The latter is actually a little bit ironically amusing, as these same idiots who insist on not spoiling their spring breaks will be the same idiots paying for the now almost $2T in "stimulus" spending their entire working lives. :roll:
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#9 Post by Grizz » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:28 pm

I agree. governments at all levels have assumed unconstitutional unauthorized dictatorial powers...


I see this as a prelude to satan's coming one-world-government, which is vividly foretold in both old and new testaments, which have a record of 100% accuracy, which gives us a 100% confidence level that the future foretold in scripture 100% inevitable.

I think mortal danger provides a perfect opportunity to evaluate what we believe, keep short accounts with the LORD, and share the gospel of Jesus Christ with anyone who will listen . . .

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#10 Post by piller » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:37 pm

Grizz, I read it the same way. Don't let daily living draw you away from what is important. Life was never promised to be easy. Easy living for plants makes them soft and short lived. Plants that stand up to difficult times last and leave their mark. Can humans be that different? The same Creator made all life.
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#11 Post by Grizz » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:35 pm

Thanks Brother, it helps to publish abroad what is fundamentally and obviously of first importance. Thanks for the response.

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#12 Post by Blaine » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:59 pm

I think we, all of us, understand the science of social distancing during an epidemic.
Don't knee-jerk disapproval. Think it through.
Even we conservative gun owners follow the rules of safe gun handling, and scorn those that are unsafe with them. Are we destroying the 2nd Amendment when/if we refuse to allow unsafe gun-handling at the range? Even in Commie Washington, the state and local gubments are not "enforcing" stay at home rules...the Stasi are not out on the street corners (well, yet, anyway... :roll: )
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#13 Post by FWiedner » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:49 pm

It's easy to look at this as a trial-balloon.

There is a public-health emergency, and any man of reason will wisely measure the truth of reports and the response of the public.

It's true... We caved pretty easily to the whims and demands of officialdom. We wanna be "safe", after all.

It is not unreasonable to ask, to measure, or to collaborate with people of a like mind to make a determination of where flags should be raised or where lines should be drawn.

Consider the situation. Evaluate the response. Determine whom is doing what. When does 'enough' become 'too much'?

You know where you stand, and I know where I stand.

Let's continue to talk. Let's make reasoned decisions.

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#14 Post by Lastmohecken » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:15 am

Well, I am still in Trump's court. I think he doing the best he can, and heaven forbid we get into one these crisis with someone like Biden at wheel.
I don't believe in giving up my rights, but I also don't want some *** giving me Corvid-19 because he was exercising his constitutional right to come to work, infected and spread it all around, like is commonly done all of the time with colds and flu. I see it all of the time, and I have probably been guilty of it myself, by going to work, or maybe even church sicker then I should have been.

Whether or not this 2.2 trillion dollar bailout will be the right thing, I don't know. We might not ever know, as we can't do both at the same time. If it keeps the Dem's out of office, it might be worth it. If it keeps out of a major recession or depression it might be worth it.
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#15 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:44 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:39 pm
Fully right to be concerned. I don't think Trump is truly adverse to big government solutions, but in this case, I also don't think he realistically has any choice. If he cedes the field to the left, and they appear to be "doing something", it is all over for him as President and the GOP this fall. Unfortunately, the majority of the electorate simply doesn't understand basic economics, nor our constitutional republic's founding principles (nor, apparently, basic epidemiology). The latter is actually a little bit ironically amusing, as these same idiots who insist on not spoiling their spring breaks will be the same idiots paying for the now almost $2T in "stimulus" spending their entire working lives. :roll:
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#16 Post by Bridger » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:20 pm

Thanks for the input guys...I've enjoyed reading the responses from all of you. This place is always a breath of fresh air...intelligent people who can have a calm, well thought out conversation on the role of government that doesn't amount to name calling. I feel sane again....
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