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Would the Government ever use FORCE to take guns...?

#1 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:28 pm

Well, the Governor of Virginia is threatening to FIRE any state or county employee (including county Sheriff's) who fail to enforce 'gun laws' by declaring their jurisdiction to be a 'Second Amendment Sanctuary'.

If that fails, he has indicated he would call out the National Guard..... :shock:

https://youtu.be/v0nypAkcqf8

So anyone who is doubtful that the government contains individuals who would be willing to use force and violence to confiscate firearms, regardless of, and in clear defiance of, the Constitution.......had better reconsider their naive impression of our Kindly Government.

Yes, they would use violence, and even if many police and guardsmen refuse (and that means are willing to LOSE THEIR JOB, status, and pension) to enforce such laws, they will doubtless try to (and succeed if they keep recruiting) get others to fill those positions.

Lots of resistance (political and ballistic) would doubtless ensue, but what a shame to create such chaos and potential loss of life by ignoring the Second Amendment which was put there for the specific purpose of PREVENTING such atrocious behavior. :|

....at least the citizenry seems to grasp what is going on - https://youtu.be/m1nWoGDbf4c
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#2 Post by rbertalotto » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:56 am

Ask Randy Weaver......
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#3 Post by FWiedner » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:59 pm

rbertalotto wrote:
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Ask Randy Weaver......
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#4 Post by jeepnik » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:42 pm

The last government we overthrew did.
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#5 Post by piller » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:15 pm

It is probably just the Virginia Politicians way to keep from getting murdered when more of them have sex with toddlers and then get elected.
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#6 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:20 pm

piller wrote:
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It is probably just the Virginia Politicians way to keep from getting murdered when more of them have sex with toddlers and then get elected.
...but I thought that was ok....as long as the perpetrators were Democrats.... :roll: :wink:
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#7 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Well......I guess the threat is becoming less hypothetical, and pretty much in-your-face...

Dan Bongino has a pointed commentary on the issue - https://youtu.be/eBLaahYJGt0?t=2369

...nice to see that even the State of Virginia has citizens who will tell the 'authorities' where they can stick their 'common sense' gun control laws...... :lol: :mrgreen:

"....house to house gun confiscation, using the National Guard....." :shock:

< snicker, snicker > Yeah, right...... :roll:

....and the retard political-class, and retard movie-stars, and retard snowflake-academics, actually think it is odd that anyone would oppose 'gun registration'.....??????

Well we don't want to make it too easy for you, now do we.....???? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The only tragic part is that the politicians are actually wanting to put innocent citizens who are members of the National Guard in harms way for no rational purpose.... :evil:
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#8 Post by FWiedner » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:44 pm

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Politicians are unconcerned for the safety of the pawns... er... soldiers of the National Guard, just so long as their own sons and daughters are either commanding a roving Death Squad or are otherwise removed from harm's way.

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#9 Post by DocRock » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:43 am

But hold on.

The National Guard are Virginians. And they aren't the sons and daughters of the filth in the Legislature in Richmond.

Some 75 of Virginia 's 95 counties have passed legislation declaring the county a Second Amendment Sanctuary. Generally, this means language such as "no county funds maybe used to implement new gun laws"... Etc. One county, Tazewell, has gone one step further. In addition to declaring the county a 2A Sanctuary, the County Board of Supervisors also unanimously passed legislation establishing, as allowed for under the VA Constitution, a county militia, and has earmarked funding for it. One of the County Board very clearly stated that the militia would be used to oppose implementation of any new gun laws cooked up by Richmond pols. What's VERY interesting is that the Tazewell County Board of Supervisors consists of 2 Republicans and 3 Democrats.

So, if Northam were to call out the VA National Guard to undertake police actions, we are talking about a lot of folks from the 75 counties that have declared themselves 2A Sanctuaries and are likely more of a conservative bent than Northam and the Richmond scum facing their fellow citizens, VA Sheriffs and Deputies, and at least one county's 'well regulated militia '. What could possibly make Northam think the National Guard will carry out his illegal orders?

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#10 Post by FWiedner » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:47 am

DocRock wrote:
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What could possibly make Northam think the National Guard will carry out his illegal orders?
The same incentive used in all police states... The threat of retaliation for failing to do so.

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#11 Post by gamekeeper » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:53 am

FWiedner wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:47 am
DocRock wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:43 am
What could possibly make Northam think the National Guard will carry out his illegal orders?
The same incentive used in all police states... The threat of retaliation for failing to do so.

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#12 Post by OldWin » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:59 am

Can't the National Guard be "called up" or "federalized" on a state by state basis when needed? Then they would no longer fall under the state of Virginia's control?
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#13 Post by AJMD429 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:45 am

OldWin wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:59 am
Can't the National Guard be "called up" or "federalized" on a state by state basis when needed? Then they would no longer fall under the state of Virginia's control?
Yep... John Kennedy did that in June 1963 and flipped control of the National Guard away from Alabama Governor George Wallace and had the National Guard evict him from the door he was himself blocking, disallowing three black students from entering te University of Alabama, thus federalizing the enforcement of Brown vs Board of Education.

The court decision they were enforcing was a 1954 case, so I think one thing the nine intervening years shows is why gun registration CANNOT be allowed; in the nine years that it took to motivate the federal government to protect rights infringed by Alabama, if the case were guns, many would have been seized and/or owners of registered guns who didn't fork them over would have had serious consequences legally. Better there is no 'list' of who owns what; it takes the wheels of justice too long to turn.
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#14 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:00 pm

Walter Williams weighing in on the topic:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/walter- ... n-virginia
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#15 Post by AJMD429 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:24 pm

https://youtu.be/ueVNmEFCqBI

She's prettier than Walter Williams. Fox News Summary of ten of the worst parts of the new Virginia legislation.
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#16 Post by piller » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:45 pm

Easy on the eyes and seems to know her facts. The part about suppressors made me smile. It is true. Most females chosen for their looks and reading ability would not know that fact. Her facial expressions gave away that she does know.
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#17 Post by FWiedner » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:44 pm

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New Orleans. Hurricane Katrina.

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#18 Post by AJMD429 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:07 pm

FWiedner wrote:
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New Orleans. Hurricane Katrina.
Yep, and many others as well.... :|
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#19 Post by DocRock » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:19 am

Northam is a big girl's blouse. He's declared a State of Emergency to try to break up the protest on Lobby Day, the 20th, because the Dems already dropped the confiscation bill based on NRA organized turnout earlier this week. To thwart the recall effort underway and well on its way to reaching the required number, he's had Dems introduce legislation to vastly increase the signatures required. He's weak and flailing. He'll never call out the Guard and next week will be very interesting indeed. They never learn, these leftists from the bubble.

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