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how short have you gone?

#1 Post by FLINT » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:35 pm

Has anyone shortened the magazine tube on a winchester 94 carbine (typical configuration, 20" barrel with full mag)? If so how short did you go? and how many rounds does it hold. I'm getting ideas for a new project. I'm definitely wanting to shorten the tube to improve handling characteristics, and also just to do something different. I'm thinking about having the tube stick out past the forend cap just about an inch. the forend on the carbine is pretty short, so that will make the tube pretty short - probably in the 9"-10" range. the older 1894 rifles that would sometimes have half length magazines had longer forends than the later carbines. I don't really care so much about capacity though as I never need more than a couple extra rounds anyways. should be a fairly simple job. cut tube. shorten spring. drill new shallow hole in bottom of barrel for mag screw/end pin. won't need the barrel band.

post any pictures you have of shortened magazine tubes on carbines if you have any. thanks!

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#2 Post by Hawkeye2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:00 pm

My factory SRC has a 9.5" button end magazine (3 round) and a 9" forearm. How do you figure you can get along without a barrel band to hold the forearm after you shorten the magazine or are you referring to the front band only? You have a carbine with a forearm cap?
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#3 Post by Bill in Oregon » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:02 pm

And here I thought it was a thread about getting shorter as I get older ... :oops:

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#4 Post by FLINT » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:50 pm

Hawkeye2 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:00 pm
My factory SRC has a 9.5" button end magazine (3 round) and a 9" forearm. How do you figure you can get along without a barrel band to hold the forearm after you shorten the magazine or are you referring to the front band only? You have a carbine with a forearm cap?
Yes, I have a carbine with a forearm cap, and yes, I was only suggesting to eliminate the front band (since that is the only band this rifle has). Its a Sears model 54. I'm glad that you confirmed that a 9.5" magazine will hold 3 rounds, as that is exactly the length I was thinking of going with.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:02 pm
And here I thought it was a thread about getting shorter as I get older ... :oops:
hahaha, oh man, yeah, I already know all about that......

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#5 Post by Pete44ru » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:59 pm

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You will still need to retain the forend wood, and after the magazine tube's shortened, a good rule of thumb for cutting the spring to length is to make it's frre length 1-1/2 times the length of the shortened magazine tube.

Here's the thread about what's involved:

viewtopic.php?t=68578



The thread's about a Winchester 92, but the identical principals apply to Winchester 1894/94"s.


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#6 Post by Hawkeye2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:40 pm

Sears model 54, that explains a lot. I had forgotten they even existed, good gun to customize. Is the left side drilled & tapped for a Sears scope mount? If so here's a sight to cover them up with:

http://www.peabodyrifle.com/sights.html

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#7 Post by AJMD429 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:57 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
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And here I thought it was a thread about getting shorter as I get older ... :oops:
I was having that problem, but getting on the testosterone replacement made things better.... :o
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#8 Post by AJMD429 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:59 pm

Won't the forend wood be loose if it only is held on by being wrapped around the magazine...?

I'd think it really has to have some barrel band or cap to hold it right... :?
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#9 Post by M. M. Wright » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:52 pm

My really old SRC has it's magazine shortened to 4 round length. Was that way when I got it about 60 years ago. It's a 25-35 but that doesn't matter just the fact that it shoots much better groups this way.
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#10 Post by FLINT » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:54 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:59 pm
Won't the forend wood be loose if it only is held on by being wrapped around the magazine...?

I'd think it really has to have some barrel band or cap to hold it right... :?
yes, so the underside of the barrel has this little guy.

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There is a screw that goes through the forend cap and through this little dude and holds the forend on very securely.

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#11 Post by FLINT » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:56 pm

M. M. Wright wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:52 pm
My really old SRC has it's magazine shortened to 4 round length. Was that way when I got it about 60 years ago. It's a 25-35 but that doesn't matter just the fact that it shoots much better groups this way.
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For several years I put the full length magazine on it but got much larger groups with it.
I really like the look of that rifle! and in 25-35 no less. very cool.

I was thinking that accuracy may improve without the magazine tube anchored to the end of the barrel.

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#12 Post by OldWin » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:07 am

Carbines with shorter than standard magazines, regardless of length, have a domed magazine cap with a small tenon at the top. It fits in a small emission slot cut into the bottom of the barrel to aid in retaining it and the tube.
A button magazine on a 94 will hold 3 in the tube. A 2/3 will hold 4. There is a very scarce 3/4, that I assume holds 5, but I've never owned one.
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#13 Post by Hawkeye2 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:09 am

Old Win I can remember seeing those different length magazines in the hands of the elders in town when I was in grade school but I haven't seen one in over 50 years. I do know my half magazine carbine is the handiest rifle I have ever taken into the woods. Shot my first deer with it when I was 14, still have it.

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#14 Post by OldWin » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:33 am

I'm at work now, but can post pics when I get home. I have several short magazine carbines. They are fairly common here.
The lightest 94 I've ever handled is a half mag 38-55 SRC with gumwood stock that I have.
The short magazine examples, in my experience, are always more accurate, also.
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#15 Post by FLINT » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:54 pm

Well, I cut the magazine tube down tonight and I'm pretty pleased with the way it looks and handles.

I cut the tube to 9 1/2" and it ended up being about 9 7/16" after filing, etc. Extends past the forend cap about 1 1/2" and it holds 3 rounds just fine which is plenty for my uses.

I haven't drilled the hole in the barrel yet for the magazine end pin screw, though I'm not sure I need it as the forend cap really clamps down on the tube. I'll still do it though as otherwise I'll always worry about it flying out.

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#16 Post by Rusty » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:16 pm

Winchester didn't make any Trapper carbines for a long time, then 35 or so years ago they came out with them again but they were very pricey. At the time I knew I could buy a beat up '94 in just about any pawn shop in town for $125 or so. It would take another $300 on top of that for one of the new Trappers. I decided I could make one myself so I cut the barrel down to 16.25" and shortened the Mag tube about 1/2" shorter than that. I cut the Mag spring on a trial and error basis to get the right spring tension and it would hold 2 rounds in the tube with one up the spout.
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#17 Post by M. M. Wright » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:54 pm

FLINT wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:54 pm
Well, I cut the magazine tube down tonight and I'm pretty pleased with the way it looks and handles.

I cut the tube to 9 1/2" and it ended up being about 9 7/16" after filing, etc. Extends past the forend cap about 1 1/2" and it holds 3 rounds just fine which is plenty for my uses.

I haven't drilled the hole in the barrel yet for the magazine end pin screw, though I'm not sure I need it as the forend cap really clamps down on the tube. I'll still do it though as otherwise I'll always worry about it flying out.

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#18 Post by FLINT » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:09 pm

M. M. Wright wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:54 pm

Now THAT'"S how a rifle should look. Put a receiver sight on it. Or better yet a tang sight to give it a longer sight radius then give us range report. I think you're gonna like the grou[s it'll shoot.
Thanks! Will do!

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