Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

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Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#1 Post by Leadhound » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:48 pm

Seems to have different names. The story goes I bought a 94 at an auction, just received, lifter is not functioning with lever, have verified that it is not stuck. Have dealt with many Marlins, but never any Winchesters, haven't even begun to tear down. Figured I would check with you guys of a possible culprit/solution before I go poking around inside. It is a 30/30 dated 1956 with minimal wear, if perhaps that will help any.

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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#2 Post by gamekeeper » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:16 am

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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#3 Post by GunnyMack » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:23 am

First thing I would do is take it apart and CLEAN it! Could be as simple as it is gunked up ( WD40) and then reassemble and function test. Then if the problem is still there you know something else is going on and diagnose the culprit.
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#4 Post by Nath » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 am

There is a spring involved IIRC.
Tear it down. They are easy to work on.

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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#5 Post by J Miller » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:31 am

Cleaning is good of course, but first do this:

First: forget anything you know about Marlins, they are different and operate in reverse,

Second: Open the action and listen for the metallic clink the lifter makes when it pops up.

Third: Lightly hold the lever in the open position and gently push down on the lifter. You should feel resistance as the carrier spring holds it in the up position.
(The lever only moves the bolt to the rear which pivots the carrier past the spring detent, it does not hold or actuate it.)

Fourth: When gently pressing the carrier down, once past the spring detent it should snap down under spring pressure and sit all the way down.

If it does not do this the spring is loose, broken or worn or the spring detent on the carrier is worn.

Note: The carrier screws have a tendency to be badly worn on well used Pre-64s. Their pivot points are rarely oiled.

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#6 Post by Pete44ru » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:27 am

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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#7 Post by Leadhound » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:10 am

Thanks for the info and the greetings.
I'm guessing it is an issue with spring or such, something broke, worn, or just missing, as it's not moving at all just lays there when levered.

Dont care for WD-40 on guns either always heard of too many problems. Does work good at cleaning a few things, I know at least one guy who uses it for catfish bait, and I had a girl follow me around wanting to know what "cologne" I was wearing. It has some uses.

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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#8 Post by Nath » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:33 am

Leadhound wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:10 am
Thanks for the info and the greetings.
I'm guessing it is an issue with spring or such, something broke, worn, or just missing, as it's not moving at all just lays there when levered.

Dont care for WD-40 on guns either always heard of too many problems. Does work good at cleaning a few things, I know at least one guy who uses it for catfish bait, and I had a girl follow me around wanting to know what "cologne" I was wearing. It has some uses.
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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#9 Post by J Miller » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Leadhound wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:10 am
Thanks for the info and the greetings.
I'm guessing it is an issue with spring or such, something broke, worn, or just missing, as it's not moving at all just lays there when levered.

Dont care for WD-40 on guns either always heard of too many problems. Does work good at cleaning a few things, I know at least one guy who uses it for catfish bait, and I had a girl follow me around wanting to know what "cologne" I was wearing. It has some uses.
Even if the carrier spring is broken, when the bolt is fully to the rear it will contact the top rear of the carrier and pivot it up.
If it doesn't somethings probably broken.

I wish I could see the rifle, never had one do this.

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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#10 Post by Leadhound » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:37 pm

Thanks to all whom had a suggestion, this one was my own ignorance. Did learn how to disassemble and reassemble. Not sure how properly, but I didnt booger anything.

Like I said my own ignorance, wasnt operating fully forward, takes a little oomph on that last bit of travel to trigger the carrier. Is that normal?

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Re: Winchester 94 carrier/lifter/elevator

#11 Post by J Miller » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:20 am

Leadhound wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:37 pm
Thanks to all whom had a suggestion, this one was my own ignorance. Did learn how to disassemble and reassemble. Not sure how properly, but I didnt booger anything.

Like I said my own ignorance, wasnt operating fully forward, takes a little oomph on that last bit of travel to trigger the carrier. Is that normal?
On a little used or new Pre-64 it can sometimes take a bit of oomph a you said. However the proper way to operate a lever gun is one deliberate (not brutal) stroke of the lever down down to when it stops, then one deliberate stroke back to closed position.
Also remember that Winchesters and Marlins lift the carriers at the opposite stroke of the lever, and by different mechanics. So they feel different.

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