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old side by side fowling piece.....

#1 Post by Ray » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:30 pm

I picked up a L.C. Smith/Hunter Arms hammer gun, 30" full/full, fluid steel double 12 ga. the other day,

ser. no. 54,000 ish......

old enough to ship straight from gunshop in maine to my door.....

seller thought that the buttstock had been replaced in the 1930s.....

still locks up with a snick and lever is only a hair starboard of center

plan to use a pair of 28 ga. insert tubes.....

your thoughts and or advice.....
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#2 Post by GunnyMack » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:58 pm

Sounds just fine to me! I'd shoot it as much as possible- pics please!
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#3 Post by gamekeeper » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:49 pm

If the bores are not badly pitted and it's still on the face, I would just use 1oz black powder cartridges. I have used factory black powder shells, sometimes you can even see if you have hit anything... :D
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#4 Post by Rusty » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:31 pm

gamekeeper wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:49 pm
If the bores are not badly pitted and it's still on the face, I would just use 1oz black powder cartridges. I have used factory black powder shells, sometimes you can even see if you have hit anything... :D
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#5 Post by 6pt-sika » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:08 pm

If the barrels are sound I’d shoot my low pressure smokeless handloads if it were mine . If you don’t handload RST makes low pressure 2 1/2 and 2 3/4 inch shells .
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#6 Post by Pete44ru » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:35 pm

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Given that it was made just prior to the 1926 industry-wide ammunition upgrades (which forced makers like Ithaca to replace their guns with a different/newer/stronger design), I would respectfully suggest taking 6-pt's suggestion about low-powered loads seriously.

Since I never reloaded shotshells, I use RST low-powered loads in my ca.1914 Ithaca Flues .28ga SxS & my 20ga European hammergun.

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#7 Post by Nath » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:14 am

The funny thing is with low pressure loads is I find I do just as well with them as with anything else!
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#8 Post by 6pt-sika » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:27 am

Nath wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:14 am
The funny thing is with low pressure loads is I find I do just as well with them as with anything else!
Kinda like 28 gauge phenomenon ! Most folks will do as well with a 28 as they do with a 20 and usually as well as they do with a 12 .
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#9 Post by Nath » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:17 am

6pt-sika wrote:
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Nath wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:14 am
The funny thing is with low pressure loads is I find I do just as well with them as with anything else!
Kinda like 28 gauge phenomenon ! Most folks will do as well with a 28 as they do with a 20 and usually as well as they do with a 12 .
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#10 Post by GunnyMack » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:44 pm

That's because the 28 gauge load is a 'square' or pert near a square... diameter of shot is equal to its length.
28s normally throw patterns that rival or exceed the larger bores.
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#11 Post by Nath » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:23 pm

GunnyMack wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:44 pm
That's because the 28 gauge load is a 'square' or pert near a square... diameter of shot is equal to its length.
28s normally throw patterns that rival or exceed the larger bores.
Personally, I gave up believing that myth years ago brother.
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#12 Post by GunnyMack » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:42 pm

Nath I shoot Olympic trap, we are now down to 24 gram loads (13/16 oz ) in 12 ga guns. I started shooting it back in the 80s when you could still use 1&1/4 oz, then everyone crabbed about 1&1/8, then about 1 oz- know what- scores haven't gone down.
I believe in the square. I know when I play with my 28 I break targets that a little old sub gauge isn't supposed to . Yesterday shooting ZZ Birds I broke a 12/20 with my new 12 ga model 23( new learning curve) but I broke a 10/10 with my 28 and 3/4 oz loads compared to my 24 gr bunker load.
Either way the 28 is a great bore !
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#13 Post by Nath » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:08 pm

GunnyMack wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:42 pm
Nath I shoot Olympic trap, we are now down to 24 gram loads (13/16 oz ) in 12 ga guns. I started shooting it back in the 80s when you could still use 1&1/4 oz, then everyone crabbed about 1&1/8, then about 1 oz- know what- scores haven't gone down.
I believe in the square. I know when I play with my 28 I break targets that a little old sub gauge isn't supposed to . Yesterday shooting ZZ Birds I broke a 12/20 with my new 12 ga model 23( new learning curve) but I broke a 10/10 with my 28 and 3/4 oz loads compared to my 24 gr bunker load.
Either way the 28 is a great bore !
Sure sure, I shoot light loads too but the un-square loads of yesteryear as you mentioned still worked and work well they do.
I ain't against a "square" load at all but some folk jabber on about how important it is when don't believe it is.
What I do give more weight to....no pun intended...is shot size per bore or guage size!
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#14 Post by GunnyMack » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:11 pm

Yes that's true, I'm not fond of 4s from a 410 but one of mine loves 5s. The new one likes 7 & narfs and 6s.
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#15 Post by Nath » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:37 pm

GunnyMack wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:11 pm
Yes that's true, I'm not fond of 4s from a 410 but one of mine loves 5s. The new one likes 7 & narfs and 6s.
Sure, I don't like English fives from a 12g but #6&#4 absolutely and #7, #7narfs.
I like #7 in 410 in preference to #7narfs. I don't like #6 in 410.

#5 seemed better in 20g for me than in 12g.

I remember seeing an old chart with diagrams illustrating how the pellets lay across the bore and how the next layer can settle on top and so on. Some sizes per bore end up with irregular layers etc.
Anyway I think that is more important than column height. Then there is wad choice, that can change everything.......
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Re: old side by side fowling piece.....

#16 Post by 6pt-sika » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:13 pm

GunnyMack wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:44 pm
That's because the 28 gauge load is a 'square' or pert near a square... diameter of shot is equal to its length.
28s normally throw patterns that rival or exceed the larger bores.
“Supposedly” the three most ballisitcally efficient loads are the 10 gauge 2 7/8” with 1 1/4 ounce , the 16 with an ounce and the 28 with 3/4 ounce . In the last 30-35 years I’ve not seen anything to disprove that :wink:
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Re: old side by side fowling piece.....

#17 Post by Ray » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:56 pm

Santa Claus in the brown suit/sleigh stopped by and it is now a .45 :)

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Had to,..... er I mean got to watch the youngest grandson today so maybe I can try it tomrrow.
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