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Howdah you think of this?

#1 Post by wm » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:42 pm

Alright I apologize for the pun.

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Something different I guess. I'm not sure I could ever really see using one. But I guess it'd be just the thing for dealing with a car jacker or someone trying to mug you in a phone booth.

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#2 Post by KWK » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:55 pm

Not my cup of tea. I'd rather have a J frame or LCR or Bulldog or...

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#3 Post by Blaine » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:11 pm

12 gauge? :shock: :shock:
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#4 Post by gamekeeper » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:40 pm

I wouldn't mind one of those Diablo's but may have to resort to gaugemates in 12/410.... 8)
Didn't realize they were all muzzle loaders, that's OK just load up what you like or can stand.. :D
The link below is one that interested me as the basic shotgun is common and cheap over here and everyone has a hacksaw :idea:
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#5 Post by jeepnik » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:08 pm

Practical? Maybe not. Fun? Heck yes. Some of those short shells or just down load regular length ones. Would scare the heck out of a bad guy. Only thing is who’s going to clean up the brown trail.
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Re: Howdah you think of this?

#6 Post by Ray » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:30 pm

This is a muzzleloader.

I tried to order one when Mike Bellivue mentioned it in an article on using percussion revolvers for self defense. The charge to my visa was denied and the bank fraud department contacted me the next day. They thought it strange that my card was used in my neck of the woods one day and then the next at the gift shop at the islamabad int. airport.

Then.....I looked in my e-mail trash folder and there was a receipt with an order # just as if the charge had went through. In four to six weeks from 28 Feb. they claim they will complete and ship my diablo side by side pistol. We'll see.

B.T.W. the recommended load is 40gr. and 1/2 oz.
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#7 Post by Rusty » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:29 pm

I wouldn't mind having one in .28 gauge or .20 ga. Like the old Autoburglar.
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#8 Post by Ray » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:30 am

From the website.....

Barrel Length: 6″ Length Blued Double Barrel Side-by-side, smooth-bore
Barrel Type: Break Open Blued Double Barrel Side-by-side, smooth-bore
Overall Length: 10”
Caliber: 12 Gauge – Conventional 209 Primer Breech Plug Design BP muzzleloader, suggested load 40gr ffg, 1/2 oz shot
Finish: Standard Blue

Weight: 1.6 Lbs
Type: Single Hammer, Double Barrel, Single Trigger, 209 Primer Ignition ML
Stock: Synthetic Grips
Stock Finish: Grips:Midnight Black or Brazilian Rosewood finish. We will contact you to confirm your choice after your order is placed.

Sight Bead: Choose sight bead installed or not
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#9 Post by Pisgah » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 am

jeepnik wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:08 pm
Practical? Maybe not. Fun? Heck yes. Some of those short shells or just down load regular length ones. Would scare the heck out of a bad guy. Only thing is who’s going to clean up the brown trail.
No shells involved -- it is a black powder muzzleloader.

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#10 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:12 am

Those "guncrafters" appear to be severely aesthetically challenged. :shock:

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#11 Post by gamekeeper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:22 am

Bill in Oregon wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:12 am
Those "guncrafters" appear to be severely aesthetically challenged. :shock:
+1 to that......
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#12 Post by jeepnik » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:21 am

Pisgah wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 am
jeepnik wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:08 pm
Practical? Maybe not. Fun? Heck yes. Some of those short shells or just down load regular length ones. Would scare the heck out of a bad guy. Only thing is who’s going to clean up the brown trail.
No shells involved -- it is a black powder muzzleloader.
Even better. I’ve a fair amount of 209’s, BP & shot on hand.
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Re: Howdah you think of this?

#13 Post by Ray » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:15 pm

jeepnik wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:21 am
Even better. I’ve a fair amount of 209’s, BP & shot on hand.
with the 40 gr. and 1/2 oz. recommended load, a 2.7 c.c. scoop or a spent .45 colt case will work for both powder and shot.
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#14 Post by Ray » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:21 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:12 am
Those "guncrafters" appear to be severely aesthetically challenged. :shock:
The ones with hammers have a decidedly arabesque jezail profile.....
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#15 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:59 pm

Ray, what, are you a Holmes fan as well? Poor Watson, carrying that jezail bullet in his leg, I believe it was ...

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#16 Post by marlinman93 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:06 pm

I'm not sure who'd get hurt worse? The bad guy, or the person firing that pistol? It has similarities to the Howdah, but they could make a classier stock offering that was nice walnut, and more like the originals.
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#17 Post by 3leggedturtle » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:32 pm

I would like one, especially scaled down to 20 or 28 gauge. Thread drift, anyone remeber the Sile double barrel BP shotgun with 14" barrels by EMF back in the 70's or 80's.
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#18 Post by Ray » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:46 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:59 pm
Ray, what, are you a Holmes fan as well? Poor Watson, carrying that jezail bullet in his leg, I believe it was ...
When watson introduces himself in A Study in Scarlet he has just been cashiered and pensioned from afganistan for a jezail bullet in the shoulder.

In The Sign of Four he is gimpy and needs a cane for when it is foggy his old wound acts-up.

The ever wandering wound is mentioned in at least three other stories.
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#19 Post by Nate Kiowa Jones » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:25 am

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#20 Post by piller » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:01 am

The muzzle flash would blind you.
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#21 Post by Nate Kiowa Jones » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:30 am

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The muzzle flash would blind you.
That's why i close my eyes and pull both triggers. :lol:
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#22 Post by Booger Bill » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:01 pm

Sorta like this "Boarding pistol I have from the 1840/1850 era. Pin fire 50 caliber something.
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#23 Post by Ray » Thu May 09, 2019 5:57 am

A friend ordered one and after three months of waiting inquired as to order status and e.t.a.

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We have your order in process but things are obviously taking longer than expected.

Here is where we are at:

The frames are in machining and will be done April 18th, then they need to go to mass polishing and finishing

All barrel assembly parts are in machining right now, and welding started last week, see attached video, then mass finishing, then finishing

All other parts are standing by for assembly except hammers are currently in machining

We are still out a few more weeks at least, if at any time you would like to cancel your order just please let us know, otherwise know we are working on getting your order filled

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#24 Post by RForte61 » Thu May 09, 2019 10:02 am

looks like fun to me, does a good job on a watermelon!

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#25 Post by gamekeeper » Thu May 09, 2019 10:43 am

Welcome to the fire RForte61..... :D
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#26 Post by jeepnik » Thu May 09, 2019 6:47 pm

piller wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:01 am
The muzzle flash would blind you.
And light the bad guy on fire.
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#27 Post by Ray » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:30 am

Just got an email saying they are shipping the first production run that was promised by jan. '19.....

"Thank you for your patience" it concluded .....
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#28 Post by 30-30 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:24 pm

OUCH... :O

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#29 Post by Ray » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:01 am

30-30 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:24 pm
OUCH... :O

Perhaps not......weighs almost as much as a colt or remington revolver and uses similar loads......a.g.c. recommends 40gr. and a half ounce of shot.

Basically same as shooting a remington with a conical.....
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#30 Post by oldgerboy » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:50 pm

As an alternative to the hand and wrist damage a 12 gauge pistol can do ( a fellow I know got a badly broken everything on the end of his arm ... numerous operations, etc) I have a sugestion ... 410. At up to 20 feet they can do serious damage. I patterned my nightstand gun ... a Judge with a short chamber. At about 20 feet it held the most beautiful basketball sized pattern you could want. The 45 was lousey but could probably get a torso hit. It now holds 5 410's to act as a deterant 'till I get to the 12 gauge.

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#31 Post by Ray » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:54 pm

Why is everyone so concerned about the recoil of this thing? It is not going to hurt you with the very mild factory suggested load.
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#32 Post by Ray » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:28 am

Finally got my hands on one.....

Owner had to wait over eight months for the thing but baulked at the whole black powder theme and I have temporary custody......

3cc of wano reenactor followed by a cotton ball, well tamped.... then 3.3cc of #5 sheathed in a greased cotton cleaning patch, the superfluous amount acting as a overshot wad, again well tamped.....

target was a 8.5" x 11" used sheet of paper.....distance 10 paces or good safe snake killing space......

too close.....no pattern.....just a ragged hole just above and an inch from the bead.....wad and shot still together.....

next same powder and amount, cotton ball, patched 5/8" steel ball......

same distance.....hit same slight distance from center of paper.....

not too loud.....little smoke due to light charge....

no ouch !!! do I need to repeat that ?
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#33 Post by Blaine » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:49 pm

I don't know about now, but in the 1990s my buddy researched and discovered that he could have a loaded black powder revolver inside his camper, legally, in all 48 states CONUS.
I wonder if this is still true?
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#34 Post by Ray » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:58 pm

Blaine wrote:
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I don't know about now, but in the 1990s my buddy researched and discovered that he could have a loaded black powder revolver inside his camper, legally, in all 48 states CONUS.
I wonder if this is still true?
Could be but there is a stretch of I95 where it might be a good idea to hide it deep.....
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#35 Post by Ray » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:04 pm

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