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Knives in U.K. Update....The Onion weighs in......

#1 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:18 pm

Evidently The Onion decided to report on the issue: link > The Onion story.....

....er, well, I guess that WASN'T The Onion, because it wasn't satire.....it was SERIOUS..... :shock:

I. am. just. amazed.
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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/0 ... irl-death/

Well....if the ones doing the stabbing were caught, and promptly tried, and publicly executed if found guilty, it would help except for the suicidal attackers. But that would be 'mean-spirited'... :roll:

Also....if the illegal immigrants were deported instead of being allowed to freely roam the streets, that would help, except for the attackers who are actually citizens. But that would be 'racist'... :roll:

And of course....if a victim were able to SHOOT their attacker, that would help, regardless of the attacker being caight, or regardless of their citizenship. But that would be. . . . 'Merica... :mrgreen:
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Re: Why all the knife murders in England...?

#2 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:26 pm

Doc, it's an interesting problem to accept that homicide begins and ends in the human heart, irrespective of weapons availability, isn't it?

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#3 Post by BlaineG » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:16 pm

But that would be. . . . 'Merica...
But, not always in western Washington, OR, or Kali, NYC, NJ and the beat goes on. :evil:
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#4 Post by gamekeeper » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:28 pm

At the moment I'm only allowed (by law) to carry a sub 3" non locking knife, I suppose the government could make me much safer by banning me and other law-abiding folks from carrying even that... :roll:
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Re: Why all the knife murders in England...?

#5 Post by RIHMFIRE » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:24 pm

My cousin was murdered with a knife in London years back by a p o s moooooslim.That city is lost....
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#6 Post by Tycer » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:39 pm

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Doc, it's an interesting problem to accept that homicide begins and ends in the human heart, irrespective of weapons availability, isn't it?
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#7 Post by Ysabel Kid » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:19 pm

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At the moment I'm only allowed (by law) to carry a sub 3" non locking knife, I suppose the government could make me much safer by banning me and other law-abiding folks from carrying even that... :roll:
I feel bad for you John. In South Carolina, we punish crime for the most part, not law-abiding citizen minding their own business. SC has some of the best knife laws in the states - and by that I mean darn few restrictions. I can carry a bowie knife if I want to, and often carry an automatic knife. :D
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#8 Post by Ysabel Kid » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:19 pm

RIHMFIRE wrote:
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My cousin was murdered with a knife in London years back by a p o s moooooslim.That city is lost....
RF, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. thing's indeed! :evil:
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#9 Post by gamekeeper » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:39 pm

I have carried a blade of some sort since I was 11 years old, sometimes they have been legal sometimes not, all depends on the risk.
Without a pocket knife I feel naked but now I notice I'm considered a bit odd for having one, where have all the men gone?
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#10 Post by Bill in Oregon » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:42 pm

Gamekeeper, I carried Cub and Boy Scout knives to school, especially when in uniform. Hard to imagine a time when this would not have so much as raised an eyebrow.

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#11 Post by JerryB » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:26 pm

gamekeeper, a lot the so called men are a part of the ***** facation of the American man.
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#12 Post by Ysabel Kid » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:40 pm

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gamekeeper, a lot the so called men are a part of the ***** facation of the American man.
True. One whole party - and 99% of an age-group - all believe masculinity is toxic :roll: :evil:
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#13 Post by Ysabel Kid » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:42 pm

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Gamekeeper, I carried Cub and Boy Scout knives to school, especially when in uniform. Hard to imagine a time when this would not have so much as raised an eyebrow.
I carried a Swiss Army knife every day from elementary school through college. In college I was know to occasionally wear a large belt knife (an Arkansas toothpick). :D

A knife is a tool. I'm naked without one as well (so naked 50% of the time, given the amount of flying I do). :x
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Re: Why all the knife murders in England...?

#14 Post by gamekeeper » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:58 am

I have quite a few knives and often change my edc depending on whether the risk is being in need of a defensive weapon or the likelihood I will be stopped and frisked by police. My thinking is that now I'm an old fart not looking for trouble the police may pass me by, not so the muggers and other scum that infest my country. A few years ago I confronted some scum who had harassed my then wife and a young girl, I didn't even have to pull the Bowie knife that they could clearly see on my belt to get their full attention.
Of course if they had reported me to the police I would have done time whilst they just laughed.
I guess being denied any form of self defense makes you look at everyday items like pocket knives, walking sticks etc with a view of how well would they perform as a weapon?
You guys are lucky your edc can be bit noisier than mine, I would be happy if I could legally carry even a .22 derringer.
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#15 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:11 pm

gamekeeper wrote:
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....You guys are lucky your edc can be bit noisier than mine, I would be happy if I could legally carry even a .22 derringer.
Yep...I could carry a Desert Eagle legally where I live; I haven't done that, but I've often carried a double-stack (14 rd) 1911 with two spare 20-rounders, and on occasion a Redhawk 44 Mag. Mostly 'because I can' but I think any government denying you even a 22 LR is by definition an ILLEGITIMATE government and not to be respected.

So sorry you have to live in such a place.... maybe we should start a program where we start knocking socialists on the head and putting them in boxes to ship over to your country in exchange for some of you guys.... :D
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#16 Post by 3leggedturtle » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:16 pm

GK, could you carry a tactical pen or large plastic house key?
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#17 Post by gamekeeper » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:53 am

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GK, could you carry a tactical pen or large plastic house key?
As far as I know, yes but the law here seem to view absolutely anything to be an offensive weapon if you use it to defend yourself.
I see a lot of tactical pens but what are the large plastic house keys ?
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#18 Post by BlaineG » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:23 pm

gamekeeper wrote:
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3leggedturtle wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:16 pm
GK, could you carry a tactical pen or large plastic house key?
As far as I know, yes but the law here seem to view absolutely anything to be an offensive weapon if you use it to defend yourself.
I see a lot of tactical pens but what are the large plastic house keys ?
That stumped me, as well....I looked and looked online and still don't have a clue. :lol:
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#19 Post by 3leggedturtle » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:28 pm

My kid had one that was about 3 times the size of a normal key, was made out if a hard polymer plastic. I cant find them either now that i mentioned them. That was 3 years ago, mayhaps they didnt sell well. Todd
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#20 Post by perry owens » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:16 pm

The fact is that in the great majority of fatal stabbings the victims and perpetrators are both of a certain ethnicity, which we are not allowed to mention for fear of being called racist. Ironically, the only public figure to say that out loud is the former Commissioner for Racial Equality, who is himself of African origin. My son and daughter are both in law enforcement, dealing with these lowlifes every day, and they confirm that the culture of certain groups is such that life is held in low regard by them.
Like gamekeeper said, we old farts will probably not get pulled by the law when carrying a knife but when I don't have my 4inch Spyderco on me I carry a Surefire flashlight with a castellated bezel and high power LED bulb.
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#21 Post by Ysabel Kid » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:35 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:23 pm
gamekeeper wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:53 am
3leggedturtle wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:16 pm
GK, could you carry a tactical pen or large plastic house key?
As far as I know, yes but the law here seem to view absolutely anything to be an offensive weapon if you use it to defend yourself.
I see a lot of tactical pens but what are the large plastic house keys ?
That stumped me, as well....I looked and looked online and still don't have a clue. :lol:
This?

https://www.coolthings.com/crkt-william ... f-defense/
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#22 Post by gamekeeper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:59 am

As far as I know that "key" would be illegal in the UK :roll: there is a law that states no bladed weapon disguised as anything else is allowed ie: combs, lipsticks etc. So If the "key" was used for your own defense it would be classed as illegal but if you were attacked by someone with a weapon and you used the "key" I doubt the law would would worry as long as you could prove you acted in self-defense.
You can shoot someone dead if you are being attacked by someone with a deadly weapon in the UK but proving your innocence would be costly on all levels. The fact that all firearms have to be under lock and key at all times and kept separate from the ammo makes most Brits a bit slow on the draw.
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#23 Post by gamekeeper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:15 am

Just read that a Walmart owned UK supermarket ASDA have stopped selling single kitchen knives because of the knife crime in Britain.
So I guess all is now well and it is safe to go outside again... :roll:
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#24 Post by OldWin » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:06 pm

gamekeeper wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:15 am
Just read that a Walmart owned UK supermarket ASDA have stopped selling single kitchen knives because of the knife crime in Britain.
So I guess all is now well and it is safe to go outside again... :roll:
That's right, GK! Cause as you know, if you buy a SET of knives, it's impossible to murder someone with one of them! :shock:
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#25 Post by 3leggedturtle » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:37 pm

Ysabel, thats not it, had to of been been a very limited production. Whole key was plastic and about twice the size of the "house key" knives. I'll find long after i forgot i posted sbout it!
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#26 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:17 pm

There is an outfit that makes things like the "Executive Ice Scraper" - and it actually works well as an ice scraper.

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https://www.walmart.com/ip/Executive-Kn ... /322627903

But would be a nice way to deter a bad-guy if applied to his forehead, too.... :mrgreen:
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#27 Post by Old No7 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:06 pm

3leggedturtle wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:37 pm
Ysabel, thats not it, had to of been been a very limited production. Whole key was plastic and about twice the size of the "house key" knives. I'll find long after i forgot i posted sbout it!
Those "self defense keys" are readily available on ebay or Amazon, under $10- delivered if you look hard enough.

Designed and made by CRKT (~3.5" OAL) -- not a bad outfit (I have several of their other knives).

Mine's on order already... :wink:

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#28 Post by Old No7 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:14 pm

Also, I do have one each of these "Lansky, The Knife" tools stashed in each vehicle easily within my reach. I also have a couple others hidden around the house (where kids might come across them), as I got 4 in a bulk gunshow deal many decades ago (last hour of last day of the show).

Yup, a metal knife or a firearm would be better for self defense for sure!

But a "Plastic Letter Opener That Looks Like a Knife" is probably better than having nothing at all; and in some of the states that I may travel through, this is all I could have close to me other than a pen.

With enough force behind it, it will cut and penetrate as the edge is sharp and the blade is very strong. Years back, I recall my twin pounding one through some wood to show how tough it really was... For sure, I'd hate to get slashed at or stabbed with this thing!

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#29 Post by gamekeeper » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:45 pm

That Lansky is a tough little bit of kit, don't ask me how I know :? because they too are illegal in the UK.

BTW mail order knives will soon be no longer posted to a home address in the UK, they must be posted to a business address so that the age of the customer can be checked before they can pick up their purchase.... :roll:
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