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"Hostiles"

#1 Post by jd45 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:30 pm

Happy New Year To All! My brother & I saw it today. We both liked it, & I would recommend you give it a look. One complaint I have, re technical stuff is that, it being set in 1892, I think I read that, is this ...........I saw no evidence of black powder smoke when rifles, (1873), and Colt SAAs were fired, To my knowledge, smokeless powder, which you're given to understand is being used in their cartridges, because of minimal smoke, isn't used for a couple of years yet. While I enjoyed hearing the sounds of the gunfire, ( the same sound effects as in Ed Harris' "Appaloosa"), I think it (the BP smoke) would've authenticated the time period. I admit this is a minor point, but because I'm interested in this sort of thing, it matters to me. Do any of you think I should get a life???? Thanx for your input, jd45

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#2 Post by JerryB » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:21 pm

I am looking forward to seeing it.
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#3 Post by gamekeeper » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:55 am

I too am looking forward to seeing it.
Lack of authentic BP smoke is a shame but if some sort of blank is being used it's better than completely dubbed gunfire, I've watched movies when full auto fire produces no spent shells :?
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#4 Post by GunnyMack » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:06 am

Let's face facts-
Hollywood SCREWS up everything!
They always screw up gun stuff, airplane stuff, heck everything technical! Not to mention each & every person that's part of it!!
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#5 Post by crs » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:50 am

What Gunny said +1.
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#6 Post by M. M. Wright » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:19 pm

Hollyweird used to use 5 in 1 blanks that had the orange flash and white smoke that was a good simulation of BP ammo. Have they gone to something else?
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#7 Post by FWiedner » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:07 pm

Watched the old Bogart movie "Passage to Marseilles" the other night.

Started out with Bogart as a waist gunner on a French bomber, standing behind an M2.

Didn't see the changing handle on that thing move once while he was fightin' off the German interceptors.

But his aim a s a Bombardier was almost perfect. Dropped that love note within a few feet of his wife from about 500ft.

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#8 Post by jd45 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:39 pm

M.M. Wright, I guess they must have, judging by what I saw, or rather didn't see, coming from the muzzles of those firearms. jd45

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#9 Post by Ysabel Kid » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:44 pm

gamekeeper wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:55 am
I too am looking forward to seeing it.
Lack of authentic BP smoke is a shame but if some sort of blank is being used it's better than completely dubbed gunfire, I've watched movies when full auto fire produces no spent shells :?

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#10 Post by Griff » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:01 pm

I'm looking forward to seeing it. I'll probably get it as soon as it comes out in the little 4K box. I don't let little details deter my enjoyment of a good story. I do make note of them, and if the story doesn't overcome those niggling details... I certainly won't watch it again. The prop master apparently doesn't know his armorer is an idiot. Or the producers wouldn't pop for BP blanks...
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#11 Post by Ray » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:06 am

You guys want to see real(istic) smoke?....watch republic's 1938 lone ranger serial.....the one with john merton as the heavy....there is so much black powder smoke you can almost smell the sulphur through the dvd player or computer monitor screen.....
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#12 Post by Poohgyrr » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:21 am

FWiedner wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:07 pm
Watched the old Bogart movie "Passage to Marseilles" the other night.
Started out with Bogart as a waist gunner on a French bomber, standing behind an M2.
:lol:
Yup. I noticed the same things. Still not a bad Bogey movie, but they could watch more of the details.
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#13 Post by jd45 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:42 pm

I don't mean to lead this thread, (my own) astray, however speaking of Bogie, I remember watching "Key Largo", and in the scenes where he & Eddie G. Robinson were shooting at each other on the boat, the 1st scene shows Bogie shooting with a nickel-plated auto pistol, then they show Eddie G. shooting at him, then when they show Bogie again, he's got a BLUE pistol, then they show Eddie again, & when they go back to Bogie again, he's got the nickel-plated pistol for the last time, finishing off Eddie. HOLLYWOOD!!!! They drive me crazy!!!!!! Like I said, I really liked the sound effects of gunfire in this movie, BUT I think it would've added something to it to have used BP blanks for that time period. Of course, most of the people watching were completely unaware of what we are regarding firearms of that period & propellants used. OK, I'll get down from my soapbox now, but I reiterate, the movie is worth a look. jd45

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#14 Post by Old No7 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:46 pm

Back on topic -- and back to the top!

Saw "Hostiles" last night, as I was out of town on business for Valentine's Day night, so why NOT spend it with a western?

Liked the storyline, cast, acting and scenery, but OMG -- did it drag......... Moved way too slooooooooooooooow for my tastes.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to go and see "12 Strong" to see mounted cowboys!!! :wink:

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#15 Post by Pisgah » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:49 am

I think if you used gen-u-wine BP loads on a movie set you'd have the same problem that Civil War commanders had -- zero visibility on the battlefield! As for the sounds of gunfire, try recording some. In general, you get insignificant pops. If they didn't juice 'em up a bit, it'd seem pretty silly, like they were shooting cap pistols.

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#16 Post by Carlsen Highway » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:48 pm

I saw it the other night. I was ready to love it, I had been waiting to see it for a while. The basic premise was great.

(As for guns, I noticed the main characters having Winchester 73's instead of Springfield rifles, which were issue at that time I believe. They were in the army after all. )
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#17 Post by Ji in Hawaii » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:16 am

Noticing a dearth of any westerns let alone decent ones after seeing the trailers for this movie I decided to watch it, and I have no regrets. I really enjoyed the story, the acting, the cinematography. Sure if I want to I could nitpick any movie to death. Hey, one of my favorite WWII movies "Saving Private Ryan" has more holes than cheap Swiss cheese. BUT... as a whole I enjoyed and would recommend this movie. Anyone here seen "Bone Tomahawk"? I heard it's good but not from any real western aficionados.
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#18 Post by gamekeeper » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:32 am

Ji in Hawaii wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:16 am
Noticing a dearth of any westerns let alone decent ones after seeing the trailers for this movie I decided to watch it, and I have no regrets. I really enjoyed the story, the acting, the cinematography. Sure if I want to I could nitpick any movie to death. Hey, one of my favorite WWII movies "Saving Private Ryan" has more holes than cheap Swiss cheese. BUT... as a whole I enjoyed and would recommend this movie. Anyone here seen "Bone Tomahawk"? I heard it's good but not from any real western aficionados.
I have watched Bone Tomahawk it's a bit weird but I kinda enjoyed it :?
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#19 Post by Griff » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:43 am

gamekeeper wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:32 am
Ji in Hawaii wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:16 am
Noticing a dearth of any westerns let alone decent ones after seeing the trailers for this movie I decided to watch it, and I have no regrets. I really enjoyed the story, the acting, the cinematography. Sure if I want to I could nitpick any movie to death. Hey, one of my favorite WWII movies "Saving Private Ryan" has more holes than cheap Swiss cheese. BUT... as a whole I enjoyed and would recommend this movie. Anyone here seen "Bone Tomahawk"? I heard it's good but not from any real western aficionados.
I have watched Bone Tomahawk it's a bit weird but I kinda enjoyed it :?
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#20 Post by Ysabel Kid » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:59 pm

I did not like Bone Tomahawk AT ALL. I'm not usually sensitive to violence, but this one was disturbing and some of the violence was really not needed.
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#21 Post by HawkCreek » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:51 pm

I didn't really care for either movie. Bone Tomahawk was just kinda weird and not real "western" IMO. Hostles seemed like it was just another SJW story about how horrible the white man was/is toward natives.

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#22 Post by Carlsen Highway » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:14 am

To be fair, I'm not sure you could make an honest western involving Indians where the white people were not horrible to the natives. That was the fundamental lie of Dances with Wolves, that white people being nasty to Indians was the exception. You read from the period, and they hated Indians...

Bone tomahawk was weird, but I enjoyed it. Hostiles was fine until the Christian Bale and his ex indian fighters changed sides and started shooting white ranchers. That is just unbelievable. There is no way anyone in those days is shooting white civilians to help an indian. In any situation. Those men hated native americans and never stopped their whole lives.

Also they would have been using Springfield trapdoors, not Winchesters.
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#23 Post by veeman » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:51 am

The time frame for the movie was 1892, and many soldiers had purchased rifles of their own, so it is not so far fetched for them to have winchester 73's.

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#24 Post by FWiedner » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:00 pm

Griff wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:43 am
gamekeeper wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:32 am
Ji in Hawaii wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:16 am
Noticing a dearth of any westerns let alone decent ones after seeing the trailers for this movie I decided to watch it, and I have no regrets. I really enjoyed the story, the acting, the cinematography. Sure if I want to I could nitpick any movie to death. Hey, one of my favorite WWII movies "Saving Private Ryan" has more holes than cheap Swiss cheese. BUT... as a whole I enjoyed and would recommend this movie. Anyone here seen "Bone Tomahawk"? I heard it's good but not from any real western aficionados.
I have watched Bone Tomahawk it's a bit weird but I kinda enjoyed it :?
+1.
I have friend who is well-read on the subject, and he is of the opinion that "Bone Tomahawk" is the most accurate depiction of American Indians that he's ever seen.

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#25 Post by 765x53 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:26 pm

FWiedner wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:00 pm
Griff wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:43 am
gamekeeper wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:32 am
Ji in Hawaii wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:16 am
Noticing a dearth of any westerns let alone decent ones after seeing the trailers for this movie I decided to watch it, and I have no regrets. I really enjoyed the story, the acting, the cinematography. Sure if I want to I could nitpick any movie to death. Hey, one of my favorite WWII movies "Saving Private Ryan" has more holes than cheap Swiss cheese. BUT... as a whole I enjoyed and would recommend this movie. Anyone here seen "Bone Tomahawk"? I heard it's good but not from any real western aficionados.
I have watched Bone Tomahawk it's a bit weird but I kinda enjoyed it :?
+1.
I have friend who is well-read on the subject, and he is of the opinion that "Bone Tomahawk" is the most accurate depiction of American Indians that he's ever seen.

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#26 Post by Ray » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:04 am

Having gone about eight leagues in the evening, the indians took one of their captives of another tribe and kindled a fire, each taking brands and made this wretch suffer the greatest torment. They tore out his nails and applied coals to his membrum virile. When he regained conciousness they scalped him then dropped melted fat onto the crown of his head. Then they pierced his arms near the wrists and with sticks pulled out sinews by main force then finally severing the whole limbs. This poor wretch bore the torment admiraly. They begged me to join them in the torture.I ended his torment with my arquebus....

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The offenders were algonquin, huron, and montagnais and their victim was iroquois and champlain makes it clear in the same passage not included here that if the table was turned, the iroquois would have done the same or worse.
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#27 Post by Hawkeye2 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:04 am

veeman wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:51 am
The time frame for the movie was 1892, and many soldiers had purchased rifles of their own, so it is not so far fetched for them to have winchester 73's.
I find it difficult to beleive a soldier would be allowed to carry anthing but his issue long arm. Tactics are built around the soldier's weapon and logistics demand everyone use the same ammunition. I could see a scout carrying most anything and sidearms could be another story.

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