A lever with a prominent pistol grip (second part)

[Bulldozer]

Hi folks,

Thank you to those who participated to the first part. There are many interesting viewpoints!
As I promised you, there would be a second part. Here it is.
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My idea was to put a prominent pistol grip on a lever. All the presented models are working quite well, and I personally enjoy them at the shooting range.

What do you think of them?

Just say what you feel, bad or good, and please do not forget to poll!

Bulldozer.

[J Miller]

I chose (A) and (B).

(A) is a twin to my very first lever gun and so I have a soft spot for that version.

(B) was chosen because because it is about as different as you can get.

The others are functionally the same as (B) so I didn't vote for them.

I just realized after looking at the pics again that B has iron sights and C & D have optical, I suppose that might have something to do with it ....

Joe

[Sixgun]

Naturally A as that's all I have ever used but D looks a little more usable in applications for the modern man. Most younger people are familiar with the AR and want to add accessories which D provides. It's a must for the collapsible buttstock and front rail.-------6

[Bulldozer]

I chose (A) and (B).

(A) is a twin to my very first lever gun and so I have a soft spot for that version.

(B) was chosen because because it is about as different as you can get.

The others are functionally the same as (B) so I didn't vote for them.

I just realized after looking at the pics again that B has iron sights and C & D have optical, I suppose that might have something to do with it ....

Joe

Right (b) may have a strange looking, but when reloading it you just have to push your arm forth and back. Which is quite different from (a) where you have to use your wrist + elbow join to operate the lever.
Moreover, when the rifle recoils, the stock act like a huge spring.
If you want to test something really new, (b) is the right one to choose!

[Bulldozer]

Naturally A as that's all I have ever used but D looks a little more usable in applications for the modern man. Most younger people are familiar with the AR and want to add accessories which D provides. It's a must for the collapsible buttstock and front rail.-------6

Hi Sixgun!

With (d) you may even change the color at will!...
The poor gun has changed so much in shape that it won't bite you even if you want to paint it in pink with flowers!
(I should offer one to my daughter...)

Julien.

[AJMD429]

I like C or D. D due to the potential (I'm guessing) of fore-end rail(s) - I use one on several of my 'Night Scout' leverguns.

C would be nice with a Folding Stock something like the Choate ones made for Contenders or Mini-14's.

[Blaine]

I'm sure the "strange" looking leverguns are perfectly functional, and perhaps utile, but I don't like them. I do have a slight subjective preference to the straight-stocked levers, even tho the other style is a little easier to shoot.

[Chuck 100 yd]

B's butt stock looks like someones nightmare come to life. I bet it would catch every branch and twig in the woods. Besides being just plain ugly like the others below it.

[Griff]

I went with (a), there's just something about it that makes me want to predict it to be a really good seller!

[Old Ironsights]

(A) of course is the historical favorite.

Looking at the rest, (D) is the least ... problematic... in terms of ergonomics and most flexibility.

I think it's an interesting idea. Probably not MY first choice but I do see a niche - especially in a Pistol Caliber carbine.

I'd have to run a thousand through it to say whether I liked or hated it from a functional standpoint, but I'd sure be willing to give it a shot and show it off.

[Old Savage]

A, D

[Bulldozer]

(A) of course is the historical favorite.

Looking at the rest, (D) is the least ... problematic... in terms of ergonomics and most flexibility.

I think it's an interesting idea. Probably not MY first choice but I do see a niche - especially in a Pistol Caliber carbine.

I'd have to run a thousand through it to say whether I liked or hated it from a functional standpoint, but I'd sure be willing to give it a shot and show it off.

Hi Old Ironsight !

Thank you for your comments on part 1 and 2. You are right I did not wanted to propose something better from the original model, but just something different, and mostly for fun!

Unfortunately, I can’t send you that model through the wire!

So I will try to remain objective.

I think the best is to compare it with a bolt action rifle equipped with a prominent pistol grip.

With a bolt action + prominent pistol grip: you pull the trigger, it kicks back, and then you have to search for the bolt with you hand, just to reload. If you are well trained, your hand may find the bolt quite easily. But sometime, if you are quite disturbed you will have to search for the bolt with your eyes. Doing so, you will quit the target from your eyes.

With a lever + prominent pistol grip. You do not have to search for the lever. Your hand always remain in contact with it. So you may keep your eyes on your target. Model “c” was the first one I built. And I thought it won’t work because, I was sure the thumb would always bump into the stock when cycling the lever (closing the bolt).

The fact is: at the very beginning of your first try, that is right, your thumb will inevitably hit the stock. BUT, thanks to god, your brain will soon adapt, and without noticing it, the thumb will round automatically around the pistol grip and under the stock. I am not the only one to have tested it, and it seems the reflex come easily. And that reflex is a tactil one, so you will never quit your target from your eyes.

Regarding the cycling process, I would say: a=b>c=d but it is still faster than a bolt!

But of course, my viewpoint is necessarily biaised, and I appologies for it!

Buldo.

[2ndovc]

I like "C". No real reason other than aesthetics. It's for the lack of a better word "pretty".


jb

[Bulldozer]

I like "C". No real reason other than aesthetics. It's for the lack of a better word "pretty".


jb

I told it to (c) this morning.
I think she flushed a little bit...

[marlinman93]

"A" must be beaming then! Hope it doesn't get a big head from all the votes?

[mikld]

I would try all, but only buy A...

[Camel73]

Always neat to check out something new or different.
So, you're in utilitarian, modern thinking mode... with a lever... cool.
Why not I say. It's all good fun. REAL levers will always be around, and I love mine but it's fun to be innovative and creative too. Great job I'd say.

How's stock b on the ol face? I'd like to see more versions of that style for the simple reason of thumbing the hammer... with a spur, scoped, since were going this route.

That whole pistol-grip/lever thing is different for sure. Have you had a chance to operate such a thing?

[Shrapnel]

Here is an example of "no need to mess with something" but someone felt that it needed changed and the net gain is a trainwreck. These guns are the equivalent...

[Bulldozer]

"A" must be beaming then! Hope it doesn't get a big head from all the votes?

I need sunglasses to look at it now!