Savage 99... 'T'?
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Savage 99... 'T'?
I'm kind of narrowing this down from the other post since the deal for the 1895 fell through, but I need some of your expertise concerning the Savage 99... Specifically the type T. At least I believe it to be a T, since is stamped atop the receiver just before the barrel. Silly me forgot to look at the lever boss markings to see if it matched. Even so, I'm noting a Type T (sorry, just can't bring myself to say 'Model T' ) in 308 seems exceedingly rare, made in 1966 according to savage99.come. The serial number is just over one million, 1,0xx,xxx, so the 1966 isn't exactly a stretch either (pre millions seem to be 1959 or earlier?). It has the round counter as well, the condition is 'good' to lower 'very good'.
The one site I could find even mentioning the 99t said production was very finite, nor common amongst owners and didn't even mention the possibility of a .308.
Anybody have any insight into this? $500 appears to be the asking price thought I might be able to lower the seller a bit.
The one site I could find even mentioning the 99t said production was very finite, nor common amongst owners and didn't even mention the possibility of a .308.
Anybody have any insight into this? $500 appears to be the asking price thought I might be able to lower the seller a bit.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
I've always read that the letter code on the lever was an Inspector's Mark -- and nothing to do with the model. I believe the T'a also had a unique rear sight, with a semi-buckhorn type blade.
Maybe some others will confirm...
Old No7
Maybe some others will confirm...
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
The ones I've seen and handled the butt stock and especially the fore hand stock is beefier. The checkering on the fore hand practically covers the entire stock. Red front sights were standard issue and rear buck horn sights. Never knew they made them in 308, just in 303, 300 Savage or 22HP but you never know with Savage 99's. In any case if it is or isn't a 99T, for that price in a 308 that's pretty darn good!
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I've got to run right now... but I'll check Murray and my other book in a bit.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
Old No7 wrote:I've always read that the letter code on the lever was an Inspector's Mark -- and nothing to do with the model. I believe the T'a also had a unique rear sight, with a semi-buckhorn type blade.
Maybe some others will confirm...
Old No7
The LBC (Lever Boss Code) is a manufacturing date code, not an inspector's mark or model designation.
Many Savage Model 99's had their model designation stamped into the front face of the receiver wall ( viewable via removing the forend ) on 1 or both sides of the rotary magazine's front axle bushing, depending upon the model.
AFAIK, original Model 99T's were made from SN 350,000 to SN 400,000 during 1935-40
The only chamberings were .250-3000, .30-30, .303 Savage, & .22HP w/ 20" barrels & the .300 Savage w/ 22" barrel.
Pistol grip: checkered
Buttplate: corregated steel shotgun style
Forearm: semi-beavertail shape with blunt rounded tip
"Savage Model 99" on receiver ring top
They were not drilled and tapped
They had no sling studs
The giveaway on a T is that the stock and forearm are beefier than the regular models (R’s excluded) and the checkering on the forearm starts at the rear of the fore stock and runs all the way to the front on both sides which covers most of the forearm, 2 points on either end of it and wraps underneath as well.
Because your rifle is in .308, it's definitely not a Model 99T.
.308 Savage 99's had a longer action innard's than earlier Model 99's, and were made only as Model's 99C. 99CD, 99DE, 99DL, 99E, 99EG, 99F, & 99PE's.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
[quote="Panzercat"...At least I believe it to be a T, since is stamped atop the receiver just before the barrel. ... Even so, I'm noting a Type T in 308 seems exceedingly rare, made in 1966 according to savage99.com...[/quote]
According to Murray: .308 First chambered in the Model 99R, 99RS, 99EG, and 99F in 1955. Available in 1985 only in 99C.
According to Royal: The Savage 99T was introduced in 1935 and discontinued in 1940...
so a .308 Savage could not be a "T" without it being a re-bore.
So... PM me a complete SN (minus last 3 if necessary) and I will report the consensus of Murray & Royal.
According to Murray: .308 First chambered in the Model 99R, 99RS, 99EG, and 99F in 1955. Available in 1985 only in 99C.
According to Royal: The Savage 99T was introduced in 1935 and discontinued in 1940...
so a .308 Savage could not be a "T" without it being a re-bore.
So... PM me a complete SN (minus last 3 if necessary) and I will report the consensus of Murray & Royal.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
Old Ironsights wrote:
so a .308 Savage could not be a "T" without it being a re-bore.
Sadly, not easily so - Savage 99's made prior to the introduction of the .308 in 1955 had their insides modified to handle the longer cartridge.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
I'll just throw it up in here for everybody to pick apart. 1048054According to Murray: .308 First chambered in the Model 99R, 99RS, 99EG, and 99F in 1955. Available in 1985 only in 99C.
According to Royal: The Savage 99T was introduced in 1935 and discontinued in 1940...
so a .308 Savage could not be a "T" without it being a re-bore.
So... PM me a complete SN (minus last 3 if necessary) and I will report the consensus of Murray & Royal.
The only thing I found on the lever boss was barely comprehensible and obscenely tiny, and the only letter mark I found was on the top of the receiver between the barrel and chamber centerline; that being the 'T' stamp.
Since it's stamped .308 by savage, I doubt it's a bubba barrel job.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
A SN of 1048xxx would fall between 1962 (1037000) and 1963 (1052xxx)
The lever boss should have an "N" stamp
The lever boss should have an "N" stamp
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
Should have, being the operative phrase here. It should be about here-- <example image>Old Ironsights wrote:A SN of 1048xxx would fall between 1962 (1037000) and 1963 (1052xxx)
The lever boss should have an "N" stamp
It is not. In fact, there's nothing there. Unfortunately I can't take it apart to confirm or deny either way.
Alas.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
The serial number is way too high for a 99T. I don't have my reference books with me, but from memory the 99T serial numbers were from about 350,000 to 400,000. The 99T was never chambered in .308 (discontinued many years before the .308 appeared). My guess would be you have a Model 99F with a 22" barrel that has a rear sight barrel boss. Look on the back right side of the barrel, just forward of the receiver ring; it may by stamped 99F there. Post a couple pics of it.
Here is a picture of my 99T.
Here is a picture of my 99T.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
The deep checkering is a match, but is it an angle thing or does the forearm flare out from the receiver in the back? I guess that's what descriptions meant by 'beefier'..It's flush on the one I'm looking at. I see what we mean by running up and down the forearm as well. Ah well. That's a nice looking example, btw. The one I'm looking at doesn't look anywhere close condition wise.KeithNyst wrote:The serial number is way too high for a 99T. I don't have my reference books with me, but from memory the 99T serial numbers were from about 350,000 to 400,000. The 99T was never chambered in .308 (discontinued many years before the .308 appeared). My guess would be you have a Model 99F with a 22" barrel that has a rear sight barrel boss. Look on the back right side of the barrel, just forward of the receiver ring; it may by stamped 99F there. Post a couple pics of it.
Here is a picture of my 99T.
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
Hmmm.... verrry interesting, Panzercat. Just happens both my 308's are very near that one in number. This first one with a 24" bbl, serial number 1,050,xxx is marked thusly:
Both the "Model - 99M" marking and the "Model - 99F" marking are on the right side of the barrel, just ahead of the receiver as you can see. I'd say the fellow doing the stamping on the day that one was made just lost his focus and messed it up. Maybe it was a Monday?
And the other which had a 22" bbl (now rebarreled to 260) has serial number 1,035,xxx and with this marking. Both the "Model - 99M" marking and the "Model - 99F" marking are on the right side of the barrel, just ahead of the receiver as you can see. I'd say the fellow doing the stamping on the day that one was made just lost his focus and messed it up. Maybe it was a Monday?
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Re: Savage 99... 'T'?
No mess up that day. The 99M was marked on the barrels of the some of the models with Monte Carlo stocks (99DL for sure, and possibly 99DE, 99CE, 99CD) .... I think it stood for monte carlo.earlmck wrote:Hmmm.... verrry interesting, Panzercat. Just happens both my 308's are very near that one in number. This first one with a 24" bbl, serial number 1,050,xxx is marked thusly:And the other which had a 22" bbl (now rebarreled to 260) has serial number 1,035,xxx and with this marking.
Both the "Model - 99M" marking and the "Model - 99F" marking are on the right side of the barrel, just ahead of the receiver as you can see. I'd say the fellow doing the stamping on the day that one was made just lost his focus and messed it up. Maybe it was a Monday?
The 99F marking is unique to the 99F Featherweight with the 22" barrel.