.22 LR Ammo... Holy Buckets !!!

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:01 pm

Federal Premium.. Box of 50 = $21.99.. INSANE !!!

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:03 pm

yep it is

cabelas had buckets of 1400 rounds remington 22 lr for 60$ last week, and bricks for 24 $

arjunky · Post by **arjunky** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:23 pm

If it was for Ultra match, compare it to Tenex. Both going for over $20/50.
Byron

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:44 pm

There is a disturbance in the force!

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:03 pm

Yes there is.

Centennial · Post by **Centennial** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:54 pm

We need more rim-fire factories in every state. Like cottage industry. If we could do it 120 years ago and make affordable ammo in huge quantities for the whole country and exhibition shooters. I do not see why we cannot do it now with today's technology.
Brown Bag Ammo, bring your own bag and pay by the pound.

new pig hunter · Post by **new pig hunter** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:31 am

I use this search engine to find pricing for various calibers ....
for example, 22LR, sorted "price/round" .... http://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr

Cheers,

Carl

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:44 am

been shooting my .45acp Glock 30SF and allot of 9mm through my Glock 26...I'm not into conspiracies, but I smell Federal intervention, apparently one may need copious amounts of .22 ammo to kill the cattle of hard working ranchers...just saying... :)

GonnePhishin · Post by **GonnePhishin** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:58 am

hfcable said

cabelas had buckets of 1400 rounds remington 22 lr for 60$ last week, and bricks for 24 $

Wow. At our local Cabelas the other day I got lucky and was able to purchase 2 boxes of blazer brass case @ $2.99 a box but there was a 2 box limit.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:31 am

We were in Wally World the other night about 9:00 PM. I saw some employees wheeling out pallets from the back to restock. I looked around the sporting goods section and saw a pallet with ONE case of 22 LR on it. I went and found an employee and got him to remove that case and sell me all I could buy, which was 3 boxes of the Federal 550 rd bulk packs. My total was $73 and change.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:34 am

I paid a little more ( not much ) for the 550 I scored the other day.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:15 am

I know what it is but I'm not allowed to say.

Hint:----wait until the fiscal year is over.----------6

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:13 am

I wonder if we could reload them? anyone know?

what does manufacturing equipment for 22 rimfire look like? maybe they can be printed?

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:23 am

Sixgun wrote:I know what it is but I'm not allowed to say.

Hint:----wait until the fiscal year is over.----------6

danggit ....tease ! now i will wonder about this all day.

and tomorrow

and on .....

arrgh

Post by **AmBraCol** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:31 am

Grizz wrote:I wonder if we could reload them? anyone know?

what does manufacturing equipment for 22 rimfire look like? maybe they can be printed?

Yes, you can reload them. I used to do it as a kid. BUT you end up with corrosive, inaccurate ammo unless you can find a source for non-corrosive priming compound and factory rimfire bullets. We used a couple of CBC brand berdan primers, crimped them from the sides to loosen up the priming compound, dumped that into the case and then filled with 3Fg powder and topped it with a 3T buckshot. They were good for up to three reloads - IF you were careful to orient them in the chamber so that the firing pin would strike at 180 degrees from the first shot, then 90 degrees, then 180 degrees from that one. Obviously this would NOT work in a semiauto but did great in an old Winchester '67 singleshot and a Rossi double barrel derringer. We could get the primers and powder and shot dirt cheap but 22's were $10 a box - almost 40 years ago. One had to scrub the barrel well after shooting them or it would rust something terrible. We did it for a while, even using firecracker powder (bad idea) one time as a propellant. Sure do wish we had the chronograph info on THAT round! In a EOTWAWKI scenario I'd do it again for use in a singleshot if there were no other options but it is not economically feasible or advisable even in the current situation up in the US of A.

earlmck · Post by **earlmck** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:08 pm

The wife was in our Bi-Mart yesterday and asked if they had any .22's. Yes they did! But all they had was old lead bullets, not the nice coppered hollow-points which the salesman assured her I probably needed. So she didn't buy any. I got a big laugh out of that one and so did a couple of the grandboys.

So today she was back in the same store and they had those same old plain lead things again. This time she brought 'em home! Anyway, they "allowed" her to buy 2 boxes of Remington Thunderbolt for $1.99 each. Which will soon be put to good use with the smaller grandkids I am sure.

So apparently Bi-Mart, which had been restricting sales to 1 carton per customer, is now restricting sales to 2 boxes. But maybe this is fixing it so there will frequently be some available when somebody wants to go out and do a little plinking. It is nice to see at least a trickle of 22's getting to the shooters now.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:18 pm

We can only hope this is a good sign.

2571 · Post by **2571** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:35 pm

I hear a new .22 rumor each week. Last week @ the gun show it was that Remington is opening an 8 acre .22 factory in Arkansas in April, 2014.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:37 pm

2571 wrote:I hear a new .22 rumor each week. Last week @ the gun show it was that Remington is opening an 8 acre .22 factory in Arkansas in April, 2014.

I would not make a very good CFO, but, if the aim is to keep prices/profits high, doubling production does not seem to be the wisest move....

BrentD · Post by **BrentD** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:39 pm

I know a bunch of people are waiting for "it" to get back to normal so they can begin hoarding. I'm one of them. I don't think this will ever really end. At least not for several more years.

And it seems like powder and primers are also in short supply as well. Same thing. Welcome to the New Normal.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:47 pm

A single primer seems to cost what a single .22 LR should go for....

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:48 pm

I am seeing more available as time goes on .
Both .22 and reloading supplies.

BrentD · Post by **BrentD** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:09 pm

A few weeks ago in the Owatonna Cabelas I checked on powder just for the heck of it. They had three pounds - 2 cans of 50 bmg and one can of something else. But the telling point was that they didn't even have any shelf space for powder anymore. I don't think they are expecting anything to change soon. Ditto for the shelves devoted to .22 rf. Almost no space and zero cartridges.

Meanwhile Dixie Gunworks is selling primers at $9.50/hundred plus $27.50 hazmat not including postage (note Cabela's doesn't charge that sort of shipping). Had to buy them by the 100, so 1000 would be $95 + $27.50, plus shipping charges.

I think this is very far from over.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:17 pm

Phoenix gun show had a ton of ammo, I don't need any so I did not check prices.
Plenty .22LR but not at a price I would pay.
And lots of powder and primers.
I picked up some red dot, but only because Blaine convinced me I need some.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:33 pm

Mescalero wrote:Phoenix gun show had a ton of ammo, I don't need any so I did not check prices.
Plenty .22LR but not at a price I would pay.
And lots of powder and primers.
I picked up some red dot, but only because Blaine convinced me I need some.

I have not seen any....maybe at the shows, but, they seem to be charging double for about everything....

tman · Post by **tman** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:35 pm

"Demand Manufactoring" is the new way to increase profits, cut back on labor, and sweeten' the bottom line. Don't expect .22 ammo prices, the cost of a gallon of gas or meat at the supermarket to go down any time soon.

. It's the new way of doing buisness

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:45 pm

tman wrote:"Demand Manufactoring" is the new way to increase profits, cut back on labor, and sweeten' the bottom line. Don't expect .22 ammo prices, the cost of a gallon of gas or meat at the supermarket to go down any time soon. . It's the new way of doing buisness

That's the way WalMart Orders stock.....But, they seem to keep stuff cheap.....(Or, I'm wrong again

)

Catshooter · Post by **Catshooter** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:06 pm

Primer & powder and a bullets are available locally. $28 - $31 a pound, $4.39 for primers. Bullets are just as high. But a year ago there wasn't any to be had.

Wait though. In 2016 when we have a new president I expect these'll be the good ol' days. Especially if the president's initials are HC (Hell Creature).

Cat

tman · Post by **tman** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:08 pm

I just post opinions for discussion on this site. I'm not one of the those on here who always has to be RIGHT.

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:29 pm

There is hardly any expensive Lapua match .22 LR out there.

"Hoarding" has allowed me to shoot when others weren't able to. I will continue as availability permits.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:19 pm

the one rimfire i can consistently find is 17HMR.... which i didnt have, but dang it , i broke down and order a savage 93R17-BTVS bolt action. it has the accu trigger and reports say will shoot 1" groups at 100 yds.......gonna take it down to bozeman for prarie dogs.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:31 pm

At the Dixie Gun & Knife Show a couple weekends ago, bricks of Remington 525 bulk packs were $90 a pop. Didn't see anyone actually buy one at that price, but saw few bricks of any kind.

Sign of the times?

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:41 pm

Grizz wrote:I wonder if we could reload them? anyone know?

what does manufacturing equipment for 22 rimfire look like? maybe they can be printed?

It is technically possible, but very difficult. I recall reading about this 30 (or more) years ago. Getting the primer mixture evenly distributed around the rim is the first problem.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:52 pm

BlaineG wrote:
2571 wrote:I hear a new .22 rumor each week. Last week @ the gun show it was that Remington is opening an 8 acre .22 factory in Arkansas in April, 2014.
I would not make a very good CFO, but, if the aim is to keep prices/profits high, doubling production does not seem to be the wisest move....

I don't think the factories are the ones making the money on this, at least not more than their normal wholesale, with whatever metals and components price increases they've had to deal with. The price increases are in the supply chain. Some of the main volume marketers like wal mart haven't raised prices much.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:21 pm

Centennial wrote:We need more rim-fire factories in every state. Like cottage industry. If we could do it 120 years ago and make affordable ammo in huge quantities for the whole country and exhibition shooters. I do not see why we cannot do it now with today's technology.

Reasons:

Lawyers - they destroy any corporation not able to 'pay the dues' when something bad happens that isn't their fault, but they can be blamed for.

Crony capitalism (aka 'socialism') - the big companies get oligopoly-maintaining regulations passed (and pretend to suffer and protest as if they don't like it).

Free-market opponents - they complain about 'price gouging' and want it outlawed, when inflated prices would be the primary driving force to fund whatever production increases were needed to meet demand and actually lower prices.

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:34 pm

The kid at Rocky Mountain Sports in Cody told me their cost on those Federal .22s is $16.39 per 50 rd box.. they put out 10 boxes of Winchester stuff this morning, at $2.99 per... Disappeared like hotcakes at a Shriners' breakfast..

More powder showed up.. 50BMG; H-322, Trail Boss, and a host of others.. Still no CCI LP primers or cast bullets...

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:58 pm

I haven'tfond any CCI Magnum LR primers, but the local toy store guy sold me some Military Primers for .30-06, said they're just like 'em. Box even sez to use Magnum data for them. We'll see if they perform like 'em in my 7mmRM.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:41 am

Look guys, its all common sense with some business sense thrown in by the manufacturers.

We all know that about 90% of all shooters are going to hoard when the ammo does show up. The ammo makers know this and they also know most guys will hoard until their money runs out or their wives throw them out.

The last thing the manufacturers need is to people to have 9485294 billion rounds in their basements. It will destroy the ammo makers continous cash flow when the 90% decide to pull from their own personal stock instead of going out to buy it.

Lets not pee off the stock holders by giving them a big check this year and nothing next year. People who do not receive dividend checks tend to put their money elsewhere.

The ammo manufacturers are regulating the ammo flow so this does not happen, especially with .22 ammo as thats the most popular...........and unreloadable.-------------6

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:51 am

this can't all be manufacturing.
Where are the Russians? Wolf ammo is great stuff - why don't they step up to fill the void?
There are commodity hoarders, but I believe it's mostly the government and specifically this administration hoarding through the budgets of every bureau over which they have control - not to have it, but to keep it from us. In the long-term, they will probably destroy it.

JB · Post by JB » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:18 am

A good friend who's an FFL told me one of his distributors told him about three weeks ago that they'd received a HUGE truckload of 22LR ammo in. The catch was that since their sale of 22LR firearms had been down, they were requiring dealers to buy a firearm before they'd sale them any ammo. Of course my friend ordered a several firearms just to get the ammo, but not nearly as much ammo as he'd have ordered alone.

My local Walmart get 22LR every week, but by 7:00 a.m. every morning the guntraders on disability checks (they don't have to worry about getting to work) are lined up to buy it all. It's then resold marked up several times at the local flea markets and gun shows.

Centennial · Post by **Centennial** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:57 am

What is happening to new 22 rifle and handgun sales?

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:13 am

bulldog1935 wrote: .
Where are the Russians? Wolf ammo is great stuff - why don't they step up to fill the void?
.

Wolf .22 ammo is made in Germany.

Our club just bought 7 cases of it, it's available.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:20 am

I want some - OK, used to be E. Germany, but you would think somebody would pony up to the market if it was strictly a market issue.
I've had Wolf match on e-mail notification at midway for 3 years and have yet to receive an e-mail.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:38 am

I just bought a Taurus 9 shot .22LR/.22Magnum interchangable cylinders revolver.
But I have mucho ammo, I would still like to replenish as used.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:48 am

Mescalero wrote:I just bought a Taurus 9 shot .22LR/.22Magnum interchangable cylinders revolver.
But I have mucho ammo, I would still like to replenish as used.

that is a nice looking revolver, been wondering about that one. let us know how well it shoots.

JB · Post by JB » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:49 am

Centennial wrote:What is happening to new 22 rifle and handgun sales?

Sales have been down since people couldn't get ammo to shoot in them.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:53 am

A friend of Blaine has one, claims very good accuracy.
It has a 6.5" barrel but the last 1/2 inch is recessed, I like that.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:21 pm

Hobie wrote:"Hoarding" has allowed me to shoot when others weren't able to. I will continue as availability permits.

That's the way to go Hobie. Hoard, hoard, hoard. As a rule, I buy .22LR whenever I see it. I haven't shot any .22LR in the last few months but continue to buy it when I see it. These days, it doesn't pay to buy what you need for the present but to buy what you'll need for the next five years if you can.

tman · Post by **tman** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:40 pm

Modoc ED wrote:
Hobie wrote:"Hoarding" has allowed me to shoot when others weren't able to. I will continue as availability permits.
That's the way to go Hobie. Hoard, hoard, hoard. As a rule, I buy .22LR whenever I see it. I haven't shot any .22LR in the last few months but continue to buy it when I see it. These days, it doesn't pay to buy what you need for the present but to buy what you'll need for the next five years if you can.

On the other hand, The easiest way to attract new shooters is with .22lr's. Our sport definetly needs the young not only to hunt and shoot, but to vote for politicians that support it. A double edged sword. Leave some for the rest of us.

Centennial · Post by **Centennial** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:06 pm

I still think the most effective way to have affordable sources of rim fire ammo is have factories in your own state.
Find ways to insulate from the GD lawyers , call it a CO-OP. Run it like a utility company.
Every state has a more 2nd amendment friendly county then others, and unemployment as well.
Turn a empty supermarket or dept store building into a 22 LR factory.