7mm Bullet problem - Should I throat the chamber?

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7mm Bullet problem - Should I throat the chamber?

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I got my 7mm bullets to shoot in my 7mm Rolling Block number 5, but I quickly found that they are not suitable for this rifle as is.

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When I seat the projectile to the recommended COL, the bullet jams HARD into the lands of the rifling and pushed the bullet down into the case. If I seat the bullet deep enough that the projectile just barely touches the lands, the gas check and first lube band are well inside the cartridge.

To check if I measured the bore and chamber wrong, I recast it with Cerosafe. The bore is still .287, which is the diameter of the bullet. The shape of the bullet is just to bulky on the nose. If it was more pointed, it might work. The jacketed rounds that came with the original Winchester cartridges taper in sharply, but they are .284. Buffalo Arms sells .287 jacketed 7mm projectiles that are tapered to the nose, and I am thinking I might check those out.

I have asked the make if he'll let me return the whole batch for just 5 lighter and narrower bullets to see if they work. The ones I bought are 160 grain. I have asked if the 146 grain bullets are a little shorter and might fit.

But, I wanted to ask. Does anyone shoot sillouette matches? Are Jacketed rounds legal? I know ASSRA doesn't even allow gas checks. However, I wanted to try sillouette shooting, and I wanted to see if I can use jacketed rounds. If so, I may just live with the Buffalo Arms bullet if it is accurate.

Or, should I try throating out the rifling to fit these bore rider lead bullets? I looked at a number of moulds and they all seem to have the same profile, sort of a bluntish spitzer. What do you all thing?
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Re: 7mm Bullet problem - Should I throat the chamber?

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I know very little about the 7mm rolling block rifle, but I do know that it would not be legal for shooting NRA Black Powder Cartridge Rifle silhouette matches. The rules specify rifles must be of pre-1896 American manufacture or replica thereof, originally intended for black powder, and must use plain base cast lead bullets. The 7mm was never a black powder cartridge.
You could, however, use it for NRA High Power Rifle silhouette shooting, where you can shoot any rifle 6mm or larger with any type bullet.

Here is a link to the NRA Rifle Silhouette Rules:

http://compete.nra.org/documents/pdf/co ... r-book.pdf

As for your dilemma of having too short a throat for your chosen cast lead bullets, I recently purchased a Winchester Model 94 Canadian Centennial .30-30 octagon rifle that was too short throated for my Lyman 311041 cast lead gas checked bullet. I had a local gunsmith lengthen the throat and now the rifle shoots the Lyman bullet very well. I don't see why the same procedure would not work for your rifle.

Good luck and keep us posted about your rifle.

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As for your dilemma of having too short a throat for your chosen cast lead bullets, I recently purchased a Winchester Model 94 Canadian Centennial .30-30 octagon rifle that was too short throated for my Lyman 311041 cast lead gas checked bullet. I had a local gunsmith lengthen the throat and now the rifle shoots the Lyman bullet very well. I don't see why the same procedure would not work for your rifle.

Good luck and keep us posted about your rifle.

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I think that would b the better solution. I think I will follow it too.
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I was thinking it would qualify in the high power silhouette class, though i doubt it would be competitive.
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Jack... I was wondering how that roller 7mm project came along... It was a report I've been looking for, what with me being partial to rollers and the 7mm Mauser...
I used 7mm Mauser for silhouette in a Ruger 77 chambered for it w/140 grainers Chickens to Rams and did fine...A fella in one match I spotted for in my relay was shooting a rifle chambered for 7mm I.H.M.S.A. or maybe it was the 7mm B.R. short little thing that sent them loping along down range..he had no trouble with Rams though....Good luck with it
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Ben, were those lead bullets or jacketed?

Like I said i was thinking of buying the Buffalo Arms jacketed round that matches my bore size.
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Jack...They were all jacketed... Make any decent groups with the jacketed when you tried them?
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Jack... you may want to try a "bore rider" style cast bullet. the ogive does not engage the rifling until the first lube-groove/driving bands... much like an Artillery shell.

Look at http://www.mountainmolds.com/ and design a Bore Rider to match your setup.

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It will be cheaper than a re-throat and might give you better results... (assuming you cast your own...)
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Yeah, I don't cast yet. Maybe someday.

I haven't shot the original jacket rounds since the recrown. I will buy the Buffalo Arms projectile and see how it goes.
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Another option (if expensive)...

See if Brenneke is selling 7mm "TUG" cartridges. They are bore riders as well... but they are designed for Hunting.
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Re: 7mm Bullet problem - Should I throat the chamber?

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Alright, I got paid so I ordered the Buffalo Arms bullets below:

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx? ... 9&CAT=4141

Hopefully, next weekend I'll have a range report.....
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