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As I was pulling into the parking lot a crew was backing a B-17 onto the front lawn. It is totally restored and looks like it just rolled off of the line. It will be open for tours in a couple of weeks.

In the airpark across the street is the first B-737, the first B-747, a B-727, a Constellation, one of the most beautiful propliners, a Concorde that I walked through, and the presidential B-707 Air Force One that was open to walk through.

A docent accosted the little group at the exit and in a display of his knowledge recited everything to be found on the placards. Then, waxing elegant as he warmed up to the rapt school children began listing the presidents who had ridden around in that plane. Starting with Eisenhower and progressing up through Henry Kissinger. (I am not kidding) :!: I caught up with the parent/helper who was shepherding the little angels around and asked him if I heard right that president kissinger had ridden on that plane and the fellow assured me that I heard correctly. I commented that I learned something new as we parted.

The new addition, the plywood training space shuttle is open to walk in the cargo bay. Like being in an airstream without the panache. Lots of WWI and WWII aircraft in the new Personal Courage Wing. Thoughtfully dimmed lighting so the moist eyes aren't so noticeable. Quite a few old flyers caught up in their memories and family historys it seemed. Upstairs in the old timers hanger I saw a perfect restoration of a Curtis Jenny, sans fabric, looking like a piece of custom furniture. As it's the plane my Dad soloed at the start of his career and in which he instructed as his first professional flying job, I was surrounded by old old stories. I talked one of the museum employes into letting me approach the bird so I could get a foto of the cockpit, just as Dad must have seen it when he was horsing the big bird around the sky.

I was able to touch the prop of a Supermarine Spitfire, a ME-109, and a Nakajima Ki-43-IIIa Hayabusa, among others. There was a sectioned Pratt&Whitney Corncob 28 cylinder that got me and a perfect stranger laughing when we asked "what kind of guy figures that kind of stuff out?" The valves are about the size of the pistons in some of the rice burners running around. The crank scheme is pure genius. That engine was sitting next to a jet black Corsair that it powered. 3500 horsepower. Hard to keep my hands off of the engines and I actually got to fondle some of them. Not too much supervision early.

I got to sit in the sectioned cockpit of an SR-71 Blackbird and waggle the disconnected stick around. Not that different from sitting in a Schweizer 2-33, which is very much more my speed.

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Grizz wrote:There was a sectioned Pratt&Whitney Corncob 28 cylinder that got me and a perfect stranger laughing when we asked "what kind of guy figures that kind of stuff out?" The valves are about the size of the pistons in some of the rice burners running around. The crank scheme is pure genius.
I'd love to get a look at that!

Here's a Wasp Major:
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Awesome!
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If you ever get the chance, go to as well, obviously the
US Airforce Museum at Wright Patterson Ohio,
Imperial War Museum at Duxford, England
RAF Museum Hendon England
The Science Museum in London England. Here you can touch the engines!

I was at the last three in March and at US Airforce Museum back in '96. It has greatly expanded since then. I will go back in the near future.

I posted a few pictures on my site, pierresplace.ca , from my recent trip to England. I am still working on the rest for later. There is one folder with F-86 in flight and prior to. The F-86 was practicing for the summer shows, so we got a free air display!

The other folder is strictly engines. At the Science Museum there are racks of engines from pre WW1 to recent. All at hand, most are complete and a few have been sectioned to show the internals.
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Thanks for the input. Here are a few images, including the sectioned Wasp Major, AKA Corncob.
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Curtis_Jenny.JPG
P&W_R-4360-b.JPG
P&W_R-4360-a.JPG
I would like to read the shop manual and learn the tune-up process!
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I get to keep my hand in aviation maintenance working part time at Hill Air Force Base. Hill AFB also has a fairly substancial aircraft museum. Hill AFB has been in the aviation maintenance business since the WWII time frame.

I work in the F-16 Depot program. That aircraft is as complex as the Apache I flew and oversaw its maintenance for 18 years.

I've always loved to be around aviation. One of my highlights was visiting the Paris Air Show while stationed in Germany.

During my first tour in Germany I flew Cobra's, Huey's and OH-58's.

One Cobra I flew in Germany as an AH-1Q model, I'd flown previously in Oklahoma as an AH-1G. I had to oportunity to fly it down near Munich to the Donier facility where they modified it into an AH-1S.

Donier had numerious early aircraft on display. They had a pusher-puller with 2 V-12's that was in the running with the ME-109 jet during WWII for speed.

I visited an auto/aviation museum off the freeway in Carolina (?? n or S??) going from Virgina to Georgia to the Cobra transition back in 1972 and seen one of those "WASP" engines on display - 4 banks of seven cylinders -quite and engineering feat.

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Right on I-4 between Orlando and Tampa we have http://www.fantasyofflight.com/

Everything they have actually flies. It's better than the talking mouse IMHO
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Pretty cool Grizz. 8)
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pdentrem wrote:If you ever get the chance, go to as well, obviously the
US Airforce Museum at Wright Patterson Ohio,
Imperial War Museum at Duxford, England
RAF Museum Hendon England
The Science Museum in London England. Here you can touch the engines!


Pierre
To this list, I'd add the Naval Air Museum at NAS Pensacola, FL. It's been many years since I was there, but it was great then & no doubt better now. I can also vouch for the Imperial War Museum at Duxford. I was fortunate enough to be present for a flying day there back in the '90's. Not only got to see some incredible planes, but got to see many of them fly. This is a "don't miss" if you ever get the chance to attend.
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very cool radial engine animation. valves operating correctly, cam a little fuzzy.

it's the crank that amazes me because the crank pins the con-rods connect to look skinny to me.
they wouldn't work in a mo-par 6-244 flat head engine.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... timing.gif

amazing stuff here
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The Museum of Flight is located at 9404 E. Marginal Way S., Seattle, Exit 158 off Interstate 5.

http://www.museumofflight.org/
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Add to the list, the often overlooked "annex" of the Smithsonian/National Air & Space Museum at Dulles - suburban DC. One of the Space Shuttles, Enola Gay, the first 707 prototype n etc. Huge facility. Also a full height mock tower where you can listen to/watch on screen (recorded IIRC) Dulles chatter and a unique vantage point (For us civilians) to watch flights taking off and landing.

Also, if not already mentioned, Grissom AFB between South Bend and Pokomo, Indiana. I have not visited the on-base portion--and it's been several years--but just outside the gate is a grass field full of informally arrayed KC-135, B-47, F-4, etc, Because of the grassy setting, the fully outfitted B-17 especially looks ready for takeoff on a mission over the Cliffs of Dover and the Channel - a great walk-around history.
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Good call Gak

That shuttle is on its landing gear and you get a real appreciation for how HUGE those are.

Enola Gay is set up so you can look right into the cockpit. It's pretty amazing.

They have a very good engine collection, better than the Seattle museum.

They have a steel beam from ground zero.

And I profiled two muz families reconnoitering. The women providing cover and the
men doing size-up calculations. Ignoring the displays for the most part.

fun, fun, fun
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I can second the displays as NAS P'cola too. I was there several years ago and had a helper there tell meto come back every chance I get. He said they are always trading planes with other muesums so you'll always be seeing new things there.
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Great stuff Grizz.

According to Wikipedia, that 4360 had 56 spark plugs (2 per cylinder), and if the proper starting sequence wasn't followed, all of them could be fouled up and need to be cleaned/replaced.
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I saw that. I wonder how fast an aircrew in a jungle might have been able to un-foul them? Would you have to pull the engine to reach all of them, or have a little guy with long arms who could reach them. Hard to picture it.

When you consider the massive horsepower it's a wonder the props aren't any bigger than they are.

The article also said that the engine wasn't in combat, but I wonder if the corsairs in korea or viet nam might have used them?

Lots of questions. Do you suppose the surplus ones were race tuned by specialists? Maybe one of those guys will show up with pictures some day.......
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Griz,z

If you've the time to kill, make a trip up the gorge to Hood river, and visit the WAAAM museum. Link: http://www.waaamuseum.org/
Every car, bike, or plane they have are in operable condition. Every second saturday of the month they drag the stuff out of the hangers and fly and drive them around. Its a fun saturday to spend, and neat to see the stuff in action.
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Udy wrote:Griz,z

If you've the time to kill, make a trip up the gorge to Hood river, and visit the WAAAM museum. Link: http://www.waaamuseum.org/
Every car, bike, or plane they have are in operable condition. Every second saturday of the month they drag the stuff out of the hangers and fly and drive them around. Its a fun saturday to spend, and neat to see the stuff in action.
Thanks so much for the link. The other spot I want to see is McMinnville and the Spruce Goose. It uses those R-4360s, have you seen it?
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Grizz wrote:
Udy wrote:Griz,z

If you've the time to kill, make a trip up the gorge to Hood river, and visit the WAAAM museum. Link: http://www.waaamuseum.org/
Every car, bike, or plane they have are in operable condition. Every second saturday of the month they drag the stuff out of the hangers and fly and drive them around. Its a fun saturday to spend, and neat to see the stuff in action.
Thanks so much for the link. The other spot I want to see is McMinnville and the Spruce Goose. It uses those R-4360s, have you seen it?
Yes that is pretty cool too. I visited when they first put the wooden boat/plane together, then went back again a few years ago, they had a SR-71 on the ground in 8gazillion picies scattered around that they were fixin to assemble. Since then it has grown another hanger, I should probably check it out again one of these days.
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we might drive down to Hood River next weekend, have the extra day to scout around
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