Rossi 92 357 firing pin retainer pin loose

[FatJackDurham]

I was cleaning my gun and levering it and darned if the retaining pin for the firing pin went flying out of the bolt! I put it back in and FWOOP! it slid right through!

For now, I have it in with a gob of reel grease to keep it in place, but I am nervous. If I get to wailing away on the lever and the pin slides out, it could get jammed in the receiver.

ANy thoughts on a fix?

[Griff]

Which pin specically?

The Rossi (and Winchester) firing pin is held in place by the lever, as I recall.

[COSteve]

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[J Miller]

It it's "E" as in Steve's drawing, I'd put it on an anvil and flatten the ends to tighten them up.

Joe

[Griff]

Oop, "C" is the Extractor pin. "E" is a "firing pin stop pin"(?). IIRC, It's a roll pin, if that's it, you might just be able to spread it out a little.

I suspect he means #27, the lever/bolt pin. The EARS on the lever fit along the flats of the firing pin and hold it in the bolt and retract it whille the lever is in any position except full up on the lower tang. It's why the '92 doesn't need a trigger block safety like a mdl94.

Same fix, as Joe mentioned, knurl the ends so it can get a bite in the lever or get a larger pin.

I don't remember my early Rossi's having a pin there.

[FatJackDurham]

Its E,the firing pin stop pin.

I was going to try spreading one end with a center punch and a vise, but I wanted to see what you all said.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

The simple fix is to run it in about half way then give it a whack from the side to put a slight arch in the pin. That should tighten it right up.

[Griff]

The simple fix is to run it in about half way then give it a whack from the side to put a slight arch in the pin. That should tighten it right up.

So, Nate. Is this a recent addition, or am I mis-remembering?

[FatJackDurham]

I tried the center punch thing and put enough courseness in the edges to hold it in. If it starts to loosen up, I'll try Nate's suggestions.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

The simple fix is to run it in about half way then give it a whack from the side to put a slight arch in the pin. That should tighten it right up.

So, Nate. Is this a recent addition, or am I mis-remembering?

The original and the Rossi both have had this pin to retain the firing pin. The only 92 I know of that does not have it is the Browning.

[Hagler]

Steve,

My B92 has the firing pin retaining pin. My copy of the Browning Factory Service Manual shows it, too:



...although if I have the lever out of the gun, and I rotate the firing pin, while the retaining pin is still in the breechbolt, I can slip the firing pin past the retaining pin. This makes me wonder why the retaining pin is there.

Shawn

[Griff]

Steve,
...although if I have the lever out of the gun, and I rotate the firing pin, while the retaining pin is still in the breechbolt, I can slip the firing pin past the retaining pin. This makes me wonder why the retaining pin is there.
Shawn

Yep, that's what I remembered. I've never removed that pin.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Steve,

My B92 has the firing pin retaining pin. My copy of the Browning Factory Service Manual shows it, too:



...although if I have the lever out of the gun, and I rotate the firing pin, while the retaining pin is still in the breechbolt, I can slip the firing pin past the retaining pin. This makes me wonder why the retaining pin is there.

Shawn

Yep, you are correct. It's the Winchester Miruko version that does not have the retaining pin. The come with the goofy 5 piece firing pins. So, when I do the conversions to the one piece I have to drill the bolt to add the retaining pin.

[deafrn]

ANy thoughts on a fix?

My latest Rossi had the opposite problem in that the pin came out with some difficulty, and when it did finally pop out, it was pretty obvious that someone had banged the living daylights out of it in the center, leaving not only a "bow" to the pin, but "dings" in it. The ends of the pin weren't battered at all, so maybe the Brazilian method of putting an arch in the pin is to put it on a bench, give it five or six whacks with whatever hammer is handy and then pound the remains into the bolt.

I sent the carbine back to Miami for a laundry list of problems five weeks ago and it is still waiting in the queue, continuing the saga of its inauspicious debut.

[JP_TX]

There's an expression about cigars that has meaning to smokers of those Devil sticks.

"The very best cigar you'll ever smoke and the worst cigar you'll ever smoke are sitting side by side in the same box."

I didn't believe that when I first heard it, but now some years later, I know it is true.

The worst rifle I ever bought new, and the best most accurate rifle I ever got new were both Rossi m92 38/357 mag. The latter replaced the former when I sent it back to be repaired. It couldn't be repaired and they sent me a new one.

Night and Day.

It took 3 months, I believe, and several calls, and finally I had to explain to the CS clerk that his options were
1. Repair the rifle I sent back so that it function as a new rifle should.
2. Send me a replacement.
3. Send my money back.

I got the new rifle in a week. I have never had a problem with it. It shoots 38's right in the bull MOA and 357's 3 inches higher MOA. The only rifle I have not had to mess with to take it hunting.

I will not, however take it apart to clean it. RemOil and compressed air and a BoreSnake till it wont hit the target then maybe give it to someone to take it apart.

A Marlin 336 or any variation on that theme is a pleasure to clean. 1 screw and the bolt comes out.

But, a M92 is a disaster filled with springs and pins and loose parts, just ticking away waiting for the un-schooled, or ignorant to make the the mistake of pulling screws and punching pins to go through the 12 or 14 separate steps just to get the bolt out.

No Sir, not going to do it. (again.)

Good luck with yours
JP

[Griff]

I will not, however take it apart to clean it. RemOil and compressed air and a BoreSnake till it wont hit the target then maybe give it to someone to take it apart.
...
No Sir, not going to do it. (again.)
Good luck with yours
JP

What? No sense of adventure?

[flightsimmer]

Quote: But, a M92 is a disaster filled with springs and pins and loose parts, just ticking away waiting for the un-schooled, or ignorant to make the the mistake of pulling screws and punching pins to go through the 12 or 14 separate steps just to get the bolt out.
No Sir, not going to do it. (again.)

NO! NO! NO! The model 92' is easy to disasemble and to work on if need be. I can strip one down as far as need be and put it back together in about 15 minutes. Once you know how to do it properly it's a cinch and it's not hard to learn either.

[COSteve]

I will not, however take it apart to clean it. RemOil and compressed air and a BoreSnake till it wont hit the target then maybe give it to someone to take it apart.

Get Steve's DVD and watch it once. After that you'll be embarrassed for fearing a takedown. They really are quite simple to take down and re-assemble once you see what to do. I have two (rifle and carbine) and worked over a neighbor's rifle after he had to get one right after he shot mine the first time. I can take them apart and put them back together in about 3 minutes, they are that simple.

BTW, Thanks Steve for the excellent DVD.