OT - need solution for new drug house removal

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:55 pm

Our friend, a single mother of one young boy, lives in a nice four-plex in a nice neighborhood. She has a new neighbor in a tiny house on the back of the property, owned by the landlord. His daughter has moved in. She brings with her a mass of male "gangstas" at all hours. I witnessed what appeared to be a drug deal between two cars parked on the side street which faces the tiny house. Called the cops, but the deal was done and gone before they arrived. I did inform them of the new neighbor and what our friend said about the frequent flow of male visitors.

It's been about 30 minutes since then and I've run through a dozen or so scenarios to remove the threat to our friend. None of which fit the criteria of keeping myself safe, except the one where I ask the neighbors if I can set up flood lights on motion sensors in their yards.

Any suggestions?

jbm1968 · Post by **jbm1968** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:59 pm

Keep in contact with the police, document and photograph everything, contact the cities gang task force if they have one. Find out if other neighbors have the same concerns and if so bring them in on it. Contact the landlord too. Installing lights outside that stay on. Thats just a start.

lever-4-life · Post by **lever-4-life** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:15 pm

If you tape it it can be used as evidence because a street is public property there is no expectation of privacy. By doing this be prepared to go to court to testify.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:25 pm

The lights will be taken out, and the thugs will start to harass your friend if they are on her property. Dealing drugs is a lot of money - and we've all seen what these animals will do to protect the flow of that kind of cash.

Single mother of one young boy? This is asking for trouble. If the police won't shut them down, and fast, then they need to move. I am not one for retreat, but there is such a thing as tacticle retreat, and with a young boy and a single mother, they can't be expected to do anything else. They need to consider what is best - and safest - for them. The boy will become a target for recruitment into this life - the fastest he is removed from that, the better...

jbm1968 · Post by **jbm1968** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:29 pm

I think you have a good point about them moving out of the area too, if the landlord wont break the lease threaten to bring him to court over the drug dealing and hostile environment.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:44 pm

I suppose 7ozs of C4 and some det cord are out of the question?

Remember, as I read somewhere "Deep within every problem exists a solution involving high explosives..."

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:13 am

I was thinking D-9 Cat.

I reported a dealer in town once a few years ago. Couple weeks later he got to go stay downtown for a bit, and life in general became much more complicated for him. Oh,...and he moved.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:29 am

You could go cheap and get a can of lighter fluid and a match.

All joking aside the others had excelent ideas. Get the local law involved and get the neighbors involved.

octagon · Post by **octagon** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:11 am

Get your friend a banjo, have her practice a lot on the porch, that oughta do it.

jhrosier · Post by **jhrosier** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:27 am

First, I would arrange to talk to the property owner about the problem. Remeber to bring up the point that this kind of activity will affect property values, including his.

If this does not work, get the neighborhood involved. There should be enough volunteers to watch the area 24/7 and report all suspicious activity to the police.

If the police are unwilling or unable to keep pressure on the situation, call in the local media. This should be a "human interest" story for the local news.

If it appears that local ordinances regarding the safety or occupancy of the building are being violated, call in the fire department or local housing authority to investigate. This can be effective if the building is occupied by children.

Nieghborhood watch groups, with video cameras, can make the area less attractive to illegal activity.

Keep up the pressure and you will eventually prevail.

Jack

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:44 am

I think that the ideas of going to the landlord and also putting up lights/cameras and such are really good ones. If that doesn't work, moving can always be a plan "B".

My plan wouldn't involve any C-4. More like #4, over 3Â½ drams.

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:54 am

I'm not advocating vigilantism but I know of someone who discouraged this behavior in their own neighborhood. There was a man who lived in a large town with a long industrial and working class background. What America was a couple generations ago. The scum of the earth moved in and the quality of life went downhill.

He knew that the police couldn't do much about it so he discouraged the dealers. I don't know how he remained uncaught but he would shoot the dealers with CB caps from a long barreled 22 bolt action rifle. It was silent and didn't kill any of them but put the serious hurt on them. He'd plug them in the shins, thighs, back, etc. After a short while they moved out. Again I am not sure how he didn't get in trouble but he didn't and the filth moved out.

I would not recommend this course of action but all of the other ideas seem to look good.

Bigahh · Post by **Bigahh** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:05 am

Try to keep a very low profile. No telling what those drug people are capable of, especially behind your back!

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:10 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:The lights will be taken out, and the thugs will start to harass your friend if they are on her property. Dealing drugs is a lot of money - and we've all seen what these animals will do to protect the flow of that kind of cash.

Single mother of one young boy? This is asking for trouble. If the police won't shut them down, and fast, then they need to move. They need to consider what is best - and safest - for them. The boy will become a target for recruitment into this life - the fastest he is removed from that, the better...

+1,000. Sage advice. Can't add a thing to Ysabel's post.

Noah

Scott64A · Post by **Scott64A** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:34 am

Tell the landlord.

It's his responsibility to not kill property values in that neighborhood.

All the landlords I have ever known would not tolerate that kind of activity on their property, and would never hesitate to enter the premises under the auspices of rfepair/preventive maintenance.

Believe me, if they saw anything, there would be a SWAT team there within a week.

I had a friend who thought it would be neat-o to grow a couple pot plants in his bathroom. A month later, he was arrested at gunpoint at his front door.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:44 am

bigbore442001 wrote: he would shoot the dealers with CB caps from a long barreled 22 bolt action rifle. It was silent and didn't kill any of them but put the serious hurt on them.

That's funny! Sounds like my kind of guy.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:18 am

Easy---Plan #1---Get in on the action--- They will think you are their friend. First, buy yourself a couple of 8 balls of coke, take 'em home, and lace 'em up with some rat poison. (Put that on the back burner)

Then go and get yourself a fresh box of 9mm ammo, preferably some foreign junk as we don't want to hurt any American companies. Pull the heads and fill 'em up tight with Bullseye and pop the heads back on.

Wait 'till a slow night when everyone is in bed and go out and drop the laced up coke and the box of 9's near where a druggie will find 'em.

Plan #2.---We don't have these drug problems around here but if I did, I would most likely move as these pieces of &*%$ are the most vindictive animals on Earth and will kill you and destroy your property. It really all depends on how many of them are. If its just a few, go with plan #1 ---If you are outnumbered, hit the pike. This is the reason of "white flight" from the cities. Anyone here who lives within 50 miles of a major city knows what I am talking about.----------Sixgun

dr walker · Post by **dr walker** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:32 am

Just in the last couple of month we have had a similar problem in our neighborhood. I wrote down license plate numbers,adress and descriptions and contacted the sheriff deputy that lives in our neighborhood. I dont know if the problem is solved, but no one from that house hangs out on the street anymore.

gcs · Post by **gcs** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:09 am

If it's the landlords daughter that's living there, what makes anyone think he's willing to do anything about it?

You do anything to the house or occupants, prepare for retaliation and or a jail stay. Tough talk aside, is it worth it?

Just move away, but realize that this stuff is everywhere.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:10 am

Ysabel Kid has the right idea. Move.

If you involve the landlord he/she is only going to tell the relative your complaining and the jig is up. You may as well confront them yourself. Your it.

If you can't get out of the lease, I suggest contacting the local law enforcement narcotics unit, if there is one. If not your local jurisdictional LE department. Let the friend use her place so they can do surveilance on the little house. Hopefully it wouldn't take long, if there's as much business going on as you've stated. Busted, problem solved.

LE should be able to get this done without pointing a finger at your friend. But I think anything short of moving or undercover work is looking to target your friend.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:20 am

JReed wrote:You could go cheap and get a can of lighter fluid and a match.

This was my first thought as well...

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:44 am

kimwcook wrote:Ysabel Kid has the right idea. Move.

If you involve the landlord he/she is only going to tell the relative your complaining and the jig is up. You may as well confront them yourself. Your it.

If you can't get out of the lease, I suggest contacting the local law enforcement narcotics unit, if there is one. If not your local jurisdictional LE department. Let the friend use her place so they can do surveilance on the little house. Hopefully it wouldn't take long, if there's as much business going on as you've stated. Busted, problem solved.

LE should be able to get this done without pointing a finger at your friend. But I think anything short of moving or undercover work is looking to target your friend.

I couldn't agree with you more. Dirtbags have way too much time on their hands, aren't afraid of violence/jail, or have a conscience.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:53 am

Tycer wrote:...landlord. His daughter has moved in....
Any suggestions?

You may encounter some resistance from that quarter. Daddy's not going to want to hear trash about "his lil' princess". Film makes good airplay on local news. I don't like my suggestion, but... if police aren't seen as doing enough... some news hounds love running such.

Keep your friend out of the focus, film from other than her proprty. AND REMEMBER THESE LOWLIFE'S WILL KILL COPS OVER SUCH, YOU'RE BUT A SPEEDBUMP IN THEIR FASTLANE!

YK & Kimwcook are absolutely right. Movin' is the BEST option.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:59 am

It's only been two weeks since they moved in. I think it's soon enough to move them on. Her moving is a last resort. She works near her home and she has no car - she is rebuilding her life from a big fall.....

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:09 pm

I favor the camera route, with BIG motion activated lights, possibly with car alarms that trip when the lights go on. Misery loves company.

Where's Bronson when we need him. I don't know why people don't like vigilantes. I think one should be on the payroll of every decent neighborhood, put some lead into neighborhood watch.

Lots of 'authorities' are scared spitless of the druggies and go out of their way to avoid them.

I know someone who has a house in a NW city that is on the same block as a meth lab. The local LEOs have been inundated with phone calls, eye witness reports, film, photos and formal complaints. The lab has thrived for about seven years unmolested.

Much safer to tag motorists for speeding or tail light anomalies.

Where's Bronson when he's needed?

Post by **Hobie** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:15 pm

Sixgun wrote:Easy---Plan #1---Get in on the action--- They will think you are their friend. First, buy yourself a couple of 8 balls of coke, take 'em home, and lace 'em up with some rat poison. (Put that on the back burner)

Then go and get yourself a fresh box of 9mm ammo, preferably some foreign junk as we don't want to hurt any American companies. Pull the heads and fill 'em up tight with Bullseye and pop the heads back on.

Wait 'till a slow night when everyone is in bed and go out and drop the laced up coke and the box of 9's near where a druggie will find 'em.

Plan #2.---We don't have these drug problems around here but if I did, I would most likely move as these pieces of &*%$ are the most vindictive animals on Earth and will kill you and destroy your property. It really all depends on how many of them are. If its just a few, go with plan #1 ---If you are outnumbered, hit the pike. This is the reason of "white flight" from the cities. Anyone here who lives within 50 miles of a major city knows what I am talking about.----------Sixgun

Let's cut out the Walter Mitty stuff and give some constructive consideration to the problem....

Tycer, there is only one reasonable course of action given that this young renter is located in enemy territory. She should immediately contact the police and inform them, formally, of her concerns. She should complain to the landlord each and every time she sees a "deal" going down or these gangbangers disturb her sleep. I'd recommend calling the landlord at 3:00 AM if the incident occurs at 3:00 AM and LOGGING it. A log that can't be accessed by accessing the apartment is preferable.

The landlord will do one of two things (after perhaps ignoring her for a while) and that is end the problem or evict her. Eviction might not be desirable but it seems to beat the other alternatives. After all if this wasn't a problem you would not be involved and we wouldn't be involved. Either way her condition would ultimately me improved.

I also realize that some folks will complain but not really want to do anything. If she doesn't or won't there's nothing you can do about this.

Some of you have made jests or "suggestions" that aren't legal and are downright dangerous for this young lady and her son. I suggest you refrain from such in the future. Regardless of your intent, such statements can be and likely will be misconstrued. I'm locking this topic but you might start another if you like. However, any more such comments will be summarily deleted.

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