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The title is calculated to wind folks up...Nixterdemus wrote:When this thread dies out can we kick start it by discussing the best HD scattergun loads which would be the 00 camp vs anything and everything else?
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Nath wrote:Bird shot in the face beats pepper spray any day, far easier to smooth the plastering after too!
Nath.
never heard of it!Doc Hudson wrote:Nath wrote:Bird shot in the face beats pepper spray any day, far easier to smooth the plastering after too!
Nath.
True, but you can't pay a plasterer after you've spent everything on barristers in an attempt to keep from spendin 10 years in prison for attempted murder and paying off the intruder who sues you for blinding him.
Yer gonna bleed thru the ears for a month after using that .444 or other high powered rifle/shotgun inside.....A nice low velocity, heavy slug weapon will be highly effective and not wreck you and your families hearing. A .45acp is not too bad, or a reduced power shotgun slug. Personally, I have a 9422mag, and a 1911, and a couple .22s sprinkled around close to hand.Doc Hudson wrote:Nath wrote:Bird shot in the face beats pepper spray any day, far easier to smooth the plastering after too!
Nath.
True, but you can't pay a plasterer after you've spent everything on barristers in an attempt to keep from spendin 10 years in prison for attempted murder and paying off the intruder who sues you for blinding him.
BlaineG wrote:I can tell most of y'all havnt' thought about touching off a high power/pressure round in a closed space without earplugs.....
Buck Elliott wrote:Don't forget "heirs & estate..."
This topic is almost as controversial as .4 ACP vs.357 Mag vs 9 mmP ain't it?Nath wrote:With all due respect Doc H, I am prepared to bet that of all the folk killed by accident or intended from a shotgun the majority died from birdshot upto BB size.
No offense taken and with due respect to you i will wager that a majority of people killed outright by small shot were shot at contact distand or not much more. I'd also expect that many who died from birdshot overload lingered for quite some time and would have been capable of xontinuing to fight for a while after acquiring their wounds
If 5s &4s can pass through a ring neck at nearly 40yds a whole ounce plus at less than 20' sure is going deep.
How far was the guy running around shot at and what with?
With out those facts the incident is of little use.
i do not know the range all that was sais was that the shooting ocured inside a home or on the front porch. Range was most likely well under ten yards.
Somebody could use 00 buck at 100yds and it would be pretty useless!
Agreed! past about 40 or 50 yards you need a rifle or large bore handgun.
Slugs won't go through a brick wall no, but glass windows,,,,,,
I count on a slug being able to penetrate furniture and inteerior walls. There are no windows or no neighbors in the line of fire from entrances to my home.
Nath.
You are truly amazingly fast if you are able to don ear protection in the face of a split second decision to defend yourself.....I hope it don't cost your life to save your ears76/444 wrote:BlaineG wrote:I can tell most of y'all havnt' thought about touching off a high power/pressure round in a closed space without earplugs.....
Hmmmm,... and how many 444 owners do you know,... who don't know they need ear plugs, inside or out
Some of those 405s loaded up to about 700fps would be the cat's meow for inside and not hurt much to shoot.BlaineG wrote:You are truly amazingly fast if you are able to don ear protection in the face of a split second decision to defend yourself.....I hope it don't cost your life to save your ears76/444 wrote:BlaineG wrote:I can tell most of y'all havnt' thought about touching off a high power/pressure round in a closed space without earplugs.....
Hmmmm,... and how many 444 owners do you know,... who don't know they need ear plugs, inside or out
, and through TWO interior walls/partitions 
( this, in a ca.1900 house that had walls constructed of full-sized 2x4's, with wood lathe and horsehair plaster on both sides of both partitions).
)vancelw wrote:Well, right or wrong, my Remington 870 marine magnum has 6 rounds in the tube - alternating 00 buck and slug. There are 4 additional slug rounds in the Tacstar holder on the left side of the receiver and 5 more 00 rounds in an Allen elastic holder on the stock.
If any walls are standing when I get that thing emptied I'm gonna swing it like a Louisville Slugger and grab the SKS or AR.
( I can't grab the 1886 because the barrels too danged long on it to get out of the rack swiftly
Over penetration be darned. I ain't worried about the neighbors, cause it's probably them breaking in.
you expecting more than one then Pete44ru wrote:[If shot won't penetrate a wall, it also wont penetrate a body enough to be instantly incapacitating.]
With all due respect - that's a load of horse pukey.
I/ME/PERSONALLY, had an AD with a 12ga birdshot load of #6's inside my home in 1967, after I returned home from a local hunting trip.
No "theory", no "tests", no "if's" -
Just an errant shotload that sailed over the head of my nearby infant son
AFTER the charge of #6 birdshot penetrated the TWO interior walls - it then continued on, half spraying AND penetrating my son's empty (Thank God) crib, with the other half disappearing into the house's exterior wall, where it failed to exit (thank God for that, too).
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Nath wrote: Over penetration be darned. I ain't worried about the neighbors, cause it's probably them breaking in.
you expecting more than one then Just doing my civic duty and being prepared for homeland security. 
Buck Elliott wrote:Don't forget "heirs & estate..."
No kidding on the ears ringing. My buddy, who did not exhibit proper firearm safety while handling one of my guns, shot a fairly stout handloaded .357 off in my living room. It was partially my fault. I thought I unloaded it, and turns out I missed one round. He didn't check it, though, so I put that part on him. Always check guns thoroughly, and treat them as if they are loaded. Needless to say I was NOT happy, but didn't say much at the time because I couldn't even hear myself talk my ears were ringing so bad.BlaineG wrote:I can tell most of y'all havnt' thought about touching off a high power/pressure round in a closed space without earplugs.....
A man after my own heart!Griff wrote:Neither! I don't care what anyone sez, a SG is not a good home defense weapon. Inside it is too noisy, the widely touted "spread" isn't, and it can be cumbersome to maneuver in tight spaces, such as hallways, around corners and entering rooms. You either leave yourself vulnerable, or you're leading with the long gun and subject to having it wrested from your grasp!
Master a handgun, load it with Glazer safety slugs and keep it in tight!
If the threat is still outside, and you're inside... dial 911 and hope the cavalry arrives before you need to engage an armed intruder. If you're being fired on from outside, use a true long gun (rifle of appropriate caliber and accuracy to deal with threat) and the consequences be... well, you know what I mean!
Dead men don't testify very well. And they can't sue. IF, and I say a big IF, you're actually being fired on... there well be plenty of evidence to support your meeting a deadly threat with equal or greater force. Frankly, I'll take my chances on a court of my peers rather than the erroneous, but extremely popular, liberal, expectation of good intent on the part of those attacking my homestead.
