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I'm trying to find a good load for the 1978 Marlin 336 that I took possession of at Thanksgiving. I haven't found any loads in my books that specifically use Remington 200 gr. RN's with Winchester WLR primers which is what I have available to use. So, I've had to improvise a bit with printed material and web material. I loaded up some rounds with the following powders.
38.0 gr. Varget
36.0 gr. IMR 4895
36.5 gr. IMR 3031
27.0 gr. IMR 4198
All using Remington cases, Remington 200 gr. RN bullets and WLR primers and all using the same crimp from a Lee die. Does anybody see any pressure problems..? I thought I'd ask before I pulled the trigger.
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I checked all my books, and the only load I found using specifically the 200 grain rem. and WLR primer, was 31 grains of RL7 for 2115 fps and 30,700 CUP. This is listed as maximum at 2.485" oal. Taken from Hodgdon #27 manual. The powder charges you posted look reasonable to me. I can find data for hornady 200 grain rn that are at or above your charges with Rem 9 1/2 primers. Just watch for pressure signs, and you'll be fine. Some day I plan to work up a load for my Marlin .35. My plan is to buy an LBT 180 grain WFN mould and use that bullet in the .35 Rem, and a .357 Blackhawk.
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The load that came out the best for my wife's 35 Remington 336 with the 200gr core lokt is:
Cases: Remington
Primer: WLR
Powder: 3031
Charge weight : 36.0gr
All cases full length sized
Bullet seated to Canule then roll crimped on new cases trimmed to .10 under maximum overall length.
This load does right close to 2100fps (20' out to the crono) average out of her 20" carbine. It groups under 1.5"(me shooting with the factory irons).
Will it do that well in yours? Maybe, Maybe(probably) not. Each rifle is it's own animal. The load has easy extraction and shows no other pressure signs in her rifle but it wouldn't hurt to reduce that a bit because it's about the maximum velocity shown in my books for a 200gr Hornady in the 35. It is grain and a half under the max load for the Hornady bullet of the same weight. All I could find was the Hornady data too. I started lower, just worked up and got lucky with a sweet spot at this level.
PS I'm using RCBS dies, no factory crimp.
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I have a .35 Rem loading question also, but with a little different twist.
Does anyone have any experience with loading 158 gr. or 180 gr. cast lead pistol bullets as a plinking round for the .35 Rem? What type bullets do you recommend? Powder?
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66GTO wrote:I have a .35 Rem loading question also, but with a little different twist.
Does anyone have any experience with loading 158 gr. or 180 gr. cast lead pistol bullets as a plinking round for the .35 Rem? What type bullets do you recommend? Powder?
this is one of my favorite aspects of the 35 rem. i have been using unique powder for plinking with cast 158 swc. i bought a bulk bag of 1000 prelubed 158 swc for $5.00. yep, FIVE DOLLARS. 1000, that is ONE THOUSAND boolits for 5 BUCKEROOS. well i have used almost all of them and only have about 50 left. i loaded them with unique, greendot, reddot, 2400, blackpowder, and just about everything else playing around. i have settled on 10 grains of unique for no real reason. with that 10 grains of unique it gives a nice report and almost no felt recoil. i have take rabbits, deer, dillers and feral vermin.
i have a mold that throws 158 swc and another that throws full wad cutters. i am wanting to see what the full wad cutters will do.
i want a 357 lever action for the cool factor, but i can duplicate it with the 35 remington. the only thing is the 357 may be more accurate at it's lower end than my 35 rem due to case/powder efficiency. i can't say as i haven't test it. my 35 is plenty accurate for what i need, but i still want a 357/38 lever
I don't know much about the 35 Remington, but primers are for the most part interchangeable. For standard cartridges I've found I can just back of to the starting load and work back up with any and all brands of primers. By doing that there is no pressure problems.
In the case of the Rem 200 grain bullets you mention, just find a load you like and substitute the WW primers for what the data lists. Since you'll be starting from the bottom and working up there won't be any troubles. The loads you mentioned are starting loads aren't they?
Just remember to back up to the starting point and start over when you change components. At least until you know how the various primers work with that load.
Joe
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Cartridge : .35 Rem.
Bullet : .358, 200, Remington SP CoreLokt
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.525 inch or 64.14 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch or 508.0 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 37000 psi, or 255 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
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Buffboy wrote:The load that came out the best for my wife's 35 Remington 336 with the 200gr core lokt is:
Cases: Remington
Primer: WLR
Powder: 3031
Charge weight : 36.0gr
All cases full length sized
Bullet seated to Canule then roll crimped on new cases trimmed to .10 under maximum overall length.
This load does right close to 2100fps (20' out to the crono) average out of her 20" carbine. It groups under 1.5"(me shooting with the factory irons).
Will it do that well in yours? Maybe, Maybe(probably) not. Each rifle is it's own animal. The load has easy extraction and shows no other pressure signs in her rifle but it wouldn't hurt to reduce that a bit because it's about the maximum velocity shown in my books for a 200gr Hornady in the 35. It is grain and a half under the max load for the Hornady bullet of the same weight. All I could find was the Hornady data too. I started lower, just worked up and got lucky with a sweet spot at this level.
PS I'm using RCBS dies, no factory crimp.
Buffboy, you've just quoted the best load for one of my 35 Remmies. Everything exactly the same except I use both Winchester and Remington cases. Probably more Winchester because I bought those in bulk a couple of years ago when Midway was selling them. I don't have a chrony, and seldom ever load to the very max shown in ANY loading manual. Instead I focus on accuracy. One thing about the 35--once you find the sweet spot, you can be confident that the coreloct bullet won't bounce off the game animals you shoot with it.
I was just working on some loads Tuesday, and got good results with H4895 - 36 grains was best, and well under the max of 38.5 I have in my books (38.0 was tight but a little unsettling to my gentle nature).
I also tried H4198, got a good group with 30 grains (30.5 was the max I had for this one). But none felt like a sweet spot load. All the other groups were very stringy. I'll hang onto it in case I run out of H4895.
"I'll tell you what living is. You get up when you feel like it. You fry yourself some eggs. You see what kind of a day it is."
Well we may be onto something here, because my 35 remmy load is 36.0 grains of 3031 with a rcbs 35-200 gas checked bullet of WW, with a cci LRP and it shoots the best in this rifle of anything I have tried.
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Swampman wrote:So do we feel the 27.0 gr. IMR 4198 is ok?
My notes showed it to be the most consistent thru the chronograph, although it wasn't the most accurate out of my rifle. I can't find the notebook I wrote down the velocities in, sorry, only noted that load was the most consistent.
"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men
shall possess the highest seats in Government,
our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots
to prevent its ruin." Samuel Adams
I have an unusual load to try for 35 Rem, using the Barnes TSX 200 grain, which I must use in order to carry my rifle in the condor zone.
Problem is, that bullet is very long. If seated to the middle cannelure, it will extend back to where the shoulder starts. If I have to use the first cannelure (the longer one may not chamber) it will go back even farther.
I'm thinking to try H4198 because it will pack a decent amount of power in a small space. I have a max load of 30.5 gr with a STANDARD (Sierra) 200 grain bullet, but of course I'm not sure how much less to start with considering the smaller amount of space.
Is there a formula for each powder, like the one suggested by Trail Boss?
What I'm thinking is to find the ratio of space to powder used by the standard load, then apply the same ratio to the smaller space:
30.5/Sierra = x/Barnes (which would be a max load not a starting load)
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One thing I've picked up along the way is you want to stay away from magnum primers in the .35 Remington. I use Federal 210 match with good results. And 41.0grs of AA2520 is very accurate in my '51 Marlin 336A @ about 2150FPS, w/Rem. 200RNCL (24"bbl)....(39.0min;43.0max). jd45
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