1894 build questions. Tang sights, stocks etc.

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Rube, check to see if your carrier isn't coming up too high. Here's a couple of pics of a couple of my .30-30s I took to show where the carrier should be in relation to the chamber mouth, (top, a pre-64, bottom, a post 64):
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I don't have either rifle with me to measure, but you should be able to see that the carrier sits in a line with the chamber mouth; if yours is a little too high, you can trim it down a mite to allow the front of the cartridge to drop a bit, and get a little further into the chamber so the rim clears the slots. Lay a pencil or other smaller straight edge on the carrier that will allow you to see if the carrier lines up with the mouth, with enough clearance to get the case past the mouth, yet not so high that the bullet hits the top of the chamber before the rim can clear the slots in the guide.

FWIW, the later mdl 94s all have the same part number for guides for all calibers, very early ones used a different set of guides for the .32-40 & .38-55. But those are for a pre-64 type receiver, which are threaded to have the screw heads inside the receiver... so those guides would fit in your gun. If you could find any, I certainly haven't for my pre-64 receiver.
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Here is a video of the rifle cycling a 30-30 and then hanging up on a 38-55.

Sorry for the quality of video. It was done with phone and no tripod.

http://youtu.be/VDelSQ7tRfE
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File them guides and you'll be done
I had the exact problem
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If I mess you up on it I'll give you a set to start over with



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Rube Burrows wrote:Here is a video of the rifle cycling a 30-30 and then hanging up on a 38-55.

Sorry for the quality of video. It was done with phone and no tripod.

http://youtu.be/VDelSQ7tRfE
You may only need to relieve the bottom portion of the slots... Like the mdl '92 and the difference in feeding between straight walled pistol cases and the original bottlenecks like the .44WCF, .38WCF & .32WCF, the fatter bullet at the end of a non-bottleneck makes the positioning of the slots in the guides critical to the timing. The good part is that you don't have to take into account differences in case lengths like the .357Mag and .38Spl.

I would advise to only remove the very minimum necessary to effect proper feeding.
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When I get the time I'll file just a little away at a time until I think it's about right and see what happens.

Everyone on here has been a big help.
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Got the cartridge guides filed and now it runs great. Here are a few photos from today's shooting.

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And here is the best four shot group I got.
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I ran out of upward adjustment and need more practice adjusting the sights. Several times I moved it the wrong way and then had to track back.

If I remember correctly, my sight came with another post that was taller. Hopefully so cause I could not adjust up anymore and at 100 yards was shooting low.
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Good, good, good, now go kill a deer with it, you just won't believe how hard that buffalo bore jfn 255 grain at 1950 fps will makem hit the ground
Glad you got it goin

By the way I spoke with Mr. BILLY this evening, and he just got in an 1886 in 45 70, thought I'd let you know



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Thanks. Now I'll have to get some dies and start reloading for this rifle. It is really such a pleasure to shoot.

I may have to wait till after Christmas on the 86 but I may give him a call and see what he has and what prices at least.
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Rube Burrows wrote:Thanks. Now I'll have to get some dies and start reloading for this rifle. It is really such a pleasure to shoot...
Image Oh yeah, you'll really get to experience the versatility of the rifle by reloading for it. One of the guys that habitually is my greatest competition in our SASS long range stuff shoots a .38-55. Windy days, when he knows the range, he's unbeatable... on calm days with my flatter shooting .30-30, I'll edge ahead of him.
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Griff wrote:
Rube Burrows wrote:Thanks. Now I'll have to get some dies and start reloading for this rifle. It is really such a pleasure to shoot...
Image Oh yeah, you'll really get to experience the versatility of the rifle by reloading for it. One of the guys that habitually is my greatest competition in our SASS long range stuff shoots a .38-55. Windy days, when he knows the range, he's unbeatable... on calm days with my flatter shooting .30-30, I'll edge ahead of him.

I am definitely impressed with it so far. I had some reloads that someone didn't need anymore but most of them are way too long. Must have been for a single shot rifle of some sort because they won't begin to cycle in my 94.

Some are straight walled and some have a slight bottle neck to them like a 30-30. I have never reloaded anything with a bottle neck in them. Usually have only loaded straight walled cases like .357, .45, .44mag etc.

I'm going to pick up some dies and really want to get proficient with this caliber.
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Rube Burrows wrote:I'm going to pick up some dies and really want to get proficient with this caliber.
You'll want to cast for it also... to REALLY get that versatility and proficiency!
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Griff wrote:
Rube Burrows wrote:I'm going to pick up some dies and really want to get proficient with this caliber.
You'll want to cast for it also... to REALLY get that versatility and proficiency!
Now that is something I have never done at all but have thought about it at different times.
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Well darn. I think I'm going to have to order a different tang sight.

I have a marbles 009808 which I believe is the standard sight.

I can't get it to go up anymore and at 100 yards it's shooting low. I have it adjusted all the way up.

I don't think I can get a taller post for it can I?

Looks like if I want a taller post I'll have to get the Marbles improved sight.
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I've always thought that you could simply get a longer post for your Marbles tang peep. You might contact them and find out for sure vs. just ordering a new sight. If you do have to buy another... you just might find a ready buyer for your old one in me... :P :lol:
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Griff wrote:I've always thought that you could simply get a longer post for your Marbles tang peep. You might contact them and find out for sure vs. just ordering a new sight. If you do have to buy another... you just might find a ready buyer for your old one in me... :P :lol:

I'll give them a call tomorrow and see and let you know.
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Well, Marble's came through for me today. I left a message a few days ago and today they called me back and told me to send in the sight and they will replace the post with a longer one free of charge and send it back to me rather than me having to buy a whole new "improved model" sight.
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Rube Burrows wrote:Well, Marble's came through for me today. I left a message a few days ago and today they called me back and told me to send in the sight and they will replace the post with a longer one free of charge and send it back to me rather than me having to buy a whole new "improved model" sight.
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Good news on the sight, for sure
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