Home defense guns.

[Scott Tschirhart]

Kind of and interesting take on home defense guns.

https://youtu.be/SP9CpMXjLeE?si=orzUpp34-Uq0yTpj

But I have gotten so much simpler.

I shoot a lot of guns but I only really rely on two.

[Scott Tschirhart]

My shotgun is under the bed. Five rounds of Blue Whistlers and you are armed for any encounter.

[Scott Tschirhart]

My older Smith 640 is heavier than some airweight guns but I shoot a little heavier gun better.

[Scott Tschirhart]

What do you rely on?

[BobM]

Either an M&P9 2.0 Compact (the Glock 19 sized one) or a Shield Plus. One or the other is my daily carry so it’s readily accessible. I retired from a department that issued M&P40s and I was the armorer.
First available out of my main safe is an 18” 870 with an Aimpoint and Surefire light, Federal or Hornady 00 Buck.

[BobM]

I bought an all steel 640 in 38 Special when they first came out, wish I’d kept it. I traded it for a Ruger SP101 because I thought I needed the magnum.

[Grizz]

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What do you rely on?

[Streetstar]

Kind of KISS when it comes to what i want to grab at 3 AM when im groggy. We have a real cool thread going with pics of our pets, both current and past , so i will add that they are an important part of my program -- while too small to be very effective as attack dogs they will wake me up at the sound of lightning, rain, or even a water pressure tank clicking on and off -- but if i ever hear them growling by the door, i know something is wrong


Rifle sighted 870 with '00 and slugs in the little sidesaddle



In and in close proximity to the nightstand -- Another shotgun with -- pretty sure its full of birdshot as its a vile little beast to handle with buckshot or slugs - been meaning to try the mini shells, but just havent made it a priority.

Also in this case a Glock 26 with a couple mags in close proximity and my headlamp is always close. Im accurate enough with the little Glocks that i trust myself with them

[Bill in Oregon]

My cheap Mossberg Maverick with Magpul stock runs great. I have been leery of the pistol-gripped pumps as bordering on impractical, especially in 12 gauge. But I am probably selling them short. I can see many scenarios in extremely close quarters where their compact size could be an advantage.

[Malamute]

My cheap Mossberg Maverick with Magpul stock runs great. I have been leery of the pistol-gripped pumps as bordering on impractical, especially in 12 gauge. But I am probably selling them short. I can see many scenarios in extremely close quarters where their compact size could be an advantage.

I think it would be a mistake to lump all "pistol gripped shotguns" together. The common pistol grips are generally very unpleasant to shoot and not easy to shoot well. The raptor type grips are easier to use properly (looking over the barrel like if it had a stock, held far enough out not to be a problem when it recoils) and less felt recoil. Theres several videos of people shooting clays with the shockwave/tac 14 type guns and doing quite well with them.

With serious back and shoulder injuries, shooting a 12 ga with regular stock is not happening for me again, but shooting a shockwave is no problem at all recoil wise. They are also obviously very short for handling inside a building or vehicle.

Some seem to think the correct way to shoot a pistol gripped shotgun is from the hip. My personal impression is shooting shoguns from the hip, with or without butt stock is a great way to make useless noise and waste ammo, not nearly as useful as seeing the sights for hitting things.

[Scott Tschirhart]

I agree. Hip shooting is not going to get as good results as looking over the bead sight.

But it’s not hard to learn to hit with it. You just need to not overthink it. This would be quite a wound that would require immediate attention.

[Griff]

Indoors

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Outdoor threats

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Of course, this was all pre-canoe accident!

[Walt]

Poor Griff, you musta had a helluva load of iron in that canoe.

[AJMD429]

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As a young college kid, I occasionally hung out with folks I probably shouldn't have, and was too stupid to always stay out of bad places, and I remember a few nights bedding down with a 1911 loaded and IN MY HAND under the coat I was using for a pillow while pretending to sleep. I put it in "Condition Two" so I didn't fire it if I actually drifted off to sleep....

After another decade or so and a more civilized lifestyle, when we had lots of livestock and several young kids, our 'drill' was that if an animal outside screamed, we should be outside with pants of some sort on, and a night-capable gun in-hand, within 60 seconds.

Kids had 10/22s with a rail-mounted flashlight and Burris Fastfire-2, and adults a 'Night Scout' levergun (same laser and light on a 'pistol-caliber' levergun). My favorite is based on a Marlin 1894 cast and I can hit a tennis ball at 50 yards with it in total darkness.

More recently I've joined the dark side, and do tend to grab my SBR in 300 Blackout with Streamlight green laser/light, Romeo3 shake-awake red dot, and backup 45° irons, and Mystic 38 cal suppressor.

The advantage of the SBR is mostly being more compact when suppressed, though 38 Special wadcutters from the 16" levergun are not that loud. I'd prefer the lever action unless there were multiple two-legged intruders, partly due to not slinging empty brass, but so far I've not "SBR'd" a levergun.

I think a 45 Colt Marlin 1894 SBR'd with an integrally-suppressed barrel maybe 8" rifled and 8" of can, with night-capable optics, would be perfect. You CAN modify tube-loaders to fit an integral can, because I've seen a 44 Mag like that at a gun show.

As for handguns, I like my Taurus-92, because it has a 1911-style safety, but can be carried without hammer back and still fire with just trigger pull, and 9mm I can shoot better and faster than 45 ACP. Same Streamlight as on my 300 BO.

Ultimately I guess what one grabs depends on the suspected nature of the intruder.

[2ndovc]

Scott,

I have one of the Mossberg versions of your 870 that stays under the rear seat of my pickup. Like you stated, it takes a little practice, but one can learn to shoot it well enough for shotgun distance defense.

Doug,
Similar situation at my place. Two small dogs that aren’t going to much backup, but no one is getting in the without them hearing it.
I’ve been experimenting with combinations since moving into the new place. My safes won’t be delivered until next week, so I don’t want to move all the good stuff out there yet.
So far it’s a modified Winchester Model 12 that the previous owner was converting to a Riot Gun. Along with my H&K P30l. That pistol has replaced My G19 as the go to handgun in the house. Those two are in the bedroom. There’s a Winchester SXP on the first floor along with a couple of.22s,
1911s, Redhawk .44 , AR10 & AR15, and a Benelli M4 scattered around the house. That will repel Boarders for now.

jb

[Scott Tschirhart]

I’ve frankly gotten to the point where I strap on a revolver in the morning and I wear it all day. I do this whether I leave the house or not.

[1894cfan]

Mossberg .410 bantam 18" cyl bore with 2.5" double ought buck and a S&W 60-9 loaded with 38 gold dots along with lots of speed loaders.

[Malamute]

I agree. Hip shooting is not going to get as good results as looking over the bead sight.

But it’s not hard to learn to hit with it. You just need to not overthink it. This would be quite a wound that would require immediate attention.

As a kid I had a single barrel 12 ga, some cheap ancient make cut down to legal limit. It wasnt at all difficult to hit cans thrown in the air if held out so one could see the sight/barrel. The shockwave seems to hit about a foot higher than expected with the simple bead sight, probably adequate for close up, but Im strongly tempted to put actual sights on it. Ive shot skeet with various rifle sighted shotguns and never understood why most shotguns didnt have good sights, dad couldnt understand how i could shoot flying clays with rifle sights. Just look over the sights, not try to get a fine aiming point, same as shooting running rabbits with a rifle or pistol.

My takedown model 12 travel gun is likely going to get a raptor type grip made for it so I can shoot it again and make it useful. The shockwave is OK, and quite short, but it feels like the model 12 has been retired, not a real need to other than the stock. I think I have a cheap ebay stock stuck away to make a raptor type grip for it.

[Bill in Oregon]

I agree the "raptor"-style grip is much more practical and less abusive to the hand than the "persuader"-style handgun grips that appeared on the market, what, 20 years ago?
Also agree that hip shooting has to be a last resort with any long gun.

[Scott Tschirhart]

I don’t care for the plastic version. But the wood version of this cut down grip gives a good purchase in the hands for shooting.

[jeepnik]

Currently using a 20 ga Franchi model 48L. Handguns are 1911 for me Glock 42 for my wife.

As to pistol grips on shotguns, I have only one. It’s for my .410 Mossberg 500. It’s kept in the case with “The Perfect Jeep Gun”. While TPJG has a quick attachable youth stock that keeps it pretty compact a time may arise I need it even shorter. Swapping takes just a couple of minutes or less.

[Ysabel Kid]

Scott, I am not sure how much longer I am going to be able to resist one of those shotguns if you keep posted pictures of it!

[Scott Tschirhart]

Scott, I am not sure how much longer I am going to be able to resist one of those shotguns if you keep posted pictures of it!

It’s a redneck howitzer!

[Ysabel Kid]

Scott, I am not sure how much longer I am going to be able to resist one of those shotguns if you keep posted pictures of it!

It’s a redneck howitzer!

[oldebear1950]

i have two guns I keep in the bedroom, a ROSSI JUDGE WITH SPECIAL 410 LOADS LISTED AS ANTI PERSONNEL ROUNDS AND A PUMP MOSSBERG IN THE CLOSET LOADED WITH DOUBLE OO BUCK

i ALSO HAVE A COUPLE PISTOLS THROUGH OUT THE HOUSE, BUT WOULD RATHER HAVE A NOTHER COUPLE OF JUDGES INSTEAD

[.45colt]

For a few years I had some really nice neighbors that were always threatening us . day or night some kind of mayhem going on . I had a loaded gun in every room of the house, one in the garage and I carried on My property every day. My cell phone has a speed dial I set up to go straight to the Sheriff. Since they were moved away and the house boarded up things are a lot more relaxed here. Keith's advise "when You Need a Gun, You Need it badly " is very true. what ever weapon You choose it must be at arms length.

[Bronco]

16 shot Para Ord and a 25 shot SBR suppressed, both 45 acp!

[Streetstar]

Keith's advise "when You Need a Gun, You Need it badly " is very true. what ever weapon You choose it must be at arms length.

The situation in Georgia with the 14 year old disturbed child and his idiot dad hammers home the point of having everything secured when not at home though -- (if anybody is in a situation where that is a concern - i think our demographic on Leverguns has likely for the most part aged out of this issue )

-- but if im home, the bedside companion is chambered and ready -- anything less may as well be a baseball bat

[Sixgun]

The best home defense weapon is the 50-75 yards or so outside of your house, then the immediate perimeter………then any entrance ways. After those lasers are broken and now that I have plenty of warning, out come what’s close to me or on me….I don’t play…there’s a reason why my buddies call our home the compound….from revolvers to semi auto handguns to semi auto rifles and rifles with “fun switches”.

[Scott Tschirhart]

11 Ga. Shotgun is awfully handy for the distances you encounter around a vehicle.

https://youtu.be/_h_J9GBsaj0?si=9Y3D57jwpoYKv7Fi

Remember what a shotgun is for:

https://youtu.be/l9nGB8cK1HM?si=ZZX9Cwu9GDPN60Qf

[Grizz]

11 Ga. Shotgun is awfully handy for the distances you encounter around a vehicle.

https://youtu.be/_h_J9GBsaj0?si=9Y3D57jwpoYKv7Fi

Remember what a shotgun is for:

https://youtu.be/l9nGB8cK1HM?si=ZZX9Cwu9GDPN60Qf

I have a couple that look like that in 12. I agree that 12 is very versatile. But those shotguns require more space or room to move, say from a vehicle, COMPARED TO a sub-2000 or AR-47 pistol perhaps.
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The Mossy was the all round Alaska woods and skiff gun, not for hunting anything, but for a last chance if the brownie hates me on her beach.
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the chicom 12 is comfortable to shoot, has great sights, and is allowed thru Canada, the Customs agents like it. The keltec would be confiscated, and i would be jailed or kicked out. Funniest thing, there is no law against having a spear in the car. Mine makes a 3" wound channel, what gauge is that?

A 45 ACP+P with 255Gr hard cast ammo will not likely stop in 3 sequential humans. And newer bullet tech causes massive hydraulic shock. I am still considering The Ruger LC for the 1911 mate.

As much as i dislike saying this, i am losing my grip, i have bone damage in my strong hand, and the shorty 12 Ga hurts insanely bad now days.

I'm not bad-mouthing 12 Ga, but it favors people closer to their prime, and it is big and awkward compared to other tools. I am finding that downsizing suits me. I have the 45 loaded with hard 255 hard cast for woods walking, much easier to carry and control than the 44 with 405Gr hard cast.

Who could have predicted that i would ever downsize from a .458 caliber to a .454?

regards
grizz

[Paladin]

I have a lot of faith in 12 Ga and my favorite Combat 12 Ga. in my Saiga. I trust it and an AR at the southern house and the Co-Pilot or 12 Ga Berretta in Alaska.

Saiga 14-inch barrel box or drum Mags.

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IWI combat rifle w/out the suppressor.

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[piller]

This one. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_inf ... k+parkeriz

[oldebear1950]

Have my Mossberg 12 guage pump in the closet, with 5 rounds 00 buck, and a Rossi Judge under the bed with 410 anti personnel loads 5 rounds, and each round contains 3 0 buck balls and a slug