410 fun.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:07 pm

Now I love my larger smooth bores but sometimes a wee 410 despite making no sense makes plenty sense!
The pigeon are hitting the barley now but not in devastating numbers here so as Jess likes boiled pigeon I got under a few.
A few good wing shots and a few ambushed from under their favourite trees around the barley field.

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gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:34 pm

Well done Nath, where I'm currently living there are lots of pigeons and even more of the crow family but alas I can't do anything about it

I saw a a nice looking Remington 870 Express .410 on gun trader but until I get some land to hunt on I had to pass.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:41 pm

Nicely done Nath! Yes the 410 does everything the big bores can do, with aplomb most of times as well.

Think about it, 12ga 1200 fps give or take, 24gram (between 13/16& 7/8) 1 oz, 1 1/8 oz
410 1200 fps give or take and 11/16 oz
The difference is about 6-8 peices of shot .
If you can't hit a bird with a 410 ya cant hit it with a 12 any easier!
Biggest thing is most 410s are over choked as I've said before.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 5:28 pm

Thanks John. I hope you get a nice little walk for yourself soon.

Yes gunny, this one is way to tight in the choke. .395"!!

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:31 pm

Nath nave been buying selling and shooting the 8 and 9 shot from italy. They are liaded to full power. Out of aderringer they are stout. Even the 10" T/C Contender buck good. I really enjoy loading them with Triple 7.just sold an all black tactical 20" Mossberg. Thanks for the topic.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:16 am

3leggedturtle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:31 pm Nath nave been buying selling and shooting the 8 and 9 shot from italy. They are liaded to full power. Out of aderringer they are stout. Even the 10" T/C Contender buck good. I really enjoy loading them with Triple 7.just sold an all black tactical 20" Mossberg. Thanks for the topic.

Is that Mossberg the one with sights?
That could be handy!

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:44 am

Looks like Jess is going to "eat good."

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:52 am

Fun. I still enjoy the 410 myself.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:30 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:44 am Looks like Jess is going to "eat good."

She loves them

piller · Post by **piller** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 12:44 pm

Looks fun!

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:10 pm

Was it you Nath making low velocity 410 loads? If so did you ever settle on a powder/ payload ?
I ask only because I might have to do a little indoor pest removal for some folks in the barn. Would really like to NOT do too much damage

Of course the air rifle works but I won't be able to ' flock shoot ' these pests...

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:23 pm

Nath, that just looks like a dandy of the pump shotgun!

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:53 pm

Nath, was just bead sight. I'm hoping the KelTec KSG410 hit the distributers soon. Just got a S&W M&P 22 mag tiday. Hope it dont sell this weekend so I can run a few boxes thru it.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:47 pm

3leggedturtle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:53 pm Nath, was just bead sight. I'm hoping the KelTec KSG410 hit the distributers soon. Just got a S&W M&P 22 mag tiday. Hope it dont sell this weekend so I can run a few boxes thru it.

I'll have to Google that keltec!

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:26 pm

Well done, you have way too much practice.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:23 pm

Found some pigeon hitting the standing wheat so filled my pockets with 410 cartridges and had some fun

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Got to get this choked opened up touch
Going to see if I can get the barrel in a chuck tomorrow.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:02 pm

Nice to see you are killing some flying rats !

Have you thought about putting choke tubes in it? That way you could pick and choose.
I still think the perfect chokes for 410 are improved cylinder and modified.

I'm still looking for a low velocity/ sub sonic load for use inside a barn.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:19 pm

Gunny, I have a load for my garden.
It's 1/4 Oz of small shot, toilet paper wadding and some green dot.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:38 pm

Nath, How much green dot ?

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:54 am

GunnyMack wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:38 pm Nath, How much green dot ?

According to my memory stick !

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GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:32 am

Thank you sir, I'll give it a try!

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:53 pm

Decided the choke is way to tight. .385"!
But not anymore!
.400"

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GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:09 pm

That will do just fine !

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:32 pm

A couple of weeks ago I decided to revisit my early 410 days.
First shotgun I got was for Christmas from my hunting partner, may dad, A single barrel break action, exposed hammer rig. When I was older I purchased a Remington 1100 12 gauge and since then I wanted one in 410. Well a couple of weeks ago one became available and I snagged it. It came with 5 choke tubes. I have had a case of 410 Winchester AA's sitting around for years! Looks like I will be reloading some 410's soon. All I need to do is get wads and some Alliant 300-mp powder. After some reading I found that the 2400, I use for magnum pistol loads, is a little hot and will shorten the reloading life of the hulls.
However if anyone out there has a powder and hull combination that is conducive to maximizing the number of reloads I can get out of a hull I would appreciate the information.

John

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:30 pm

296 has been the staple of skeet shooters for years.
Lilgun was made for 410.
Go to Ballistic Products website, they should have everything you need from wads, shot , powders but most of all order their Small Bore Manual. It has a ton of load data.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:10 am

Good luck with the case life! 410 cases don't last long I found. It's quite high pressure for a plastic case. I find they swell around the payload area..

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:28 am

Thanks

I have everything but the wads and powder. I loaded 12 gauge for years.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:09 am

If your Remington has a good chamber it will help. A slack chambe has the plastic swelling. I actually prefer a2400. It gives good power.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:33 pm

Hmm, I have a bag of fiber wads , have to try them with your cat sneeze load of 5.5 of green dot in lieu of the paper towel wadding.

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:57 pm

Ordered some wads and the book from Ballistic Products ! Will do a little reading before I order some powder. Been reading some good things about Alliant Power Pro 300MP and 296 on Shotgun World forum concerning the 410.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:01 am

Isn't 296 similar to h110?

H110 isn't bad in 410 but I still prefer the new 2400. Not tried the 300mp.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:04 am

I tested the new choke yesterday on pigeons over wheat.
The first seven birds fell to nine shots. The ratio has improved and distance not affected!
Well worth the effort

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:55 am

I read that 296 and 110 are equivalent powders. No personal experience though. I do have plenty of 2400 for things I reload for already.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:41 am

H110 and 296 are right next to each other on the burn rate chart, pretty much interchangeable BUT use caution when developing loads with large volumes of powder.
When you get your manual you'll have a much better idea for the powders.
I use Lilgun and 296.
There is also Alliant 410. I have not tried it or the 300mp.

See, I told you it was over choked!

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:11 am

Nath, very curious about which abrasive paper and liquid you used to open the choke.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:02 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:11 am Nath, very curious about which abrasive paper and liquid you used to open the choke.

I started with 220 and finished with 320..
I kept the 320 going untill it was worn away.
Got a good polish.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:07 pm

Patterned it today at 40yds.
Paper was only 19" x 17.5".
11/16oz of 7.5 shot.
82 on paper out of a possible 241.
About 30%>
I'm quite impressed!

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GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:33 pm

You cant complainabout that at 40! , maybe tweak a few components and possibly find some combination the gun really likes but heck there is nothing wrong with that.

mickbr · Post by **mickbr** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:52 am

great thread and calibre.

piller · Post by **piller** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:27 am

That pattern at 40 yards doesn't look bad to me. Not much should escape unscathed.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:47 am