Rossi 92 in .41 mag

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:42 pm

Can I please get some info on how involved it would be to create a Rossi 92 in .41 mag? Start with a .44 mag? The barrel is obvious, but the extractor and internal bits? Childs play for a guy like Steve Jones or would I be looking at dumping way over a grand into a $300 rifle? (Not that I'm agin that, but I'd like to have some idea what I'd be biting off.)

Thanks for any insights you 1892 gurus may have! I own 'em and like 'em, but I've not wrenched on one beyond stock refinishing etc.

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:10 pm

Cant help with your question. But I have always wondered why they never made in 41 . I see scads of 44WCF, why didn't they make a 38WCF? Cant even imagine how a 32 or 25WCF would sell. Sure would be nice to have the option of those 4 calibers. Especially if they came D+T'ed for peep sights.

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:24 pm

Pardon Me Sir but may I see Ur Machinist Degree ? JK
I saw that heading and jumped on it, I thought U had found one. That is something that would get My attention.
Perry

wolfdog · Post by **wolfdog** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:34 pm

I email that sugestion to Rossi about once a year, I figure if they hear it form enough people enough times they will build some.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:24 pm

WHY ??? The ammo is a little lighter than .44 mag. I suppose the finished rifle fully loaded would weigh half an ounce less than.... Wait I forgot, the barrel will be thicker... Oh just forget it!!!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:49 pm

Chuck 100 yd wrote:WHY ???

Well duhhh. . . Just BECAUSE. . . !

Gotta remember who your talkin to here...we're levergunnuts. If it can be done without clear risk to life and limb, and has a lever, we WANT one, whatever it is...!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:53 pm

Actually I'd love one in 32-20 or one of the newer 'mag' 32's...

And while they're building' it get me they can make it threaded for a 30 cal can, or better yet just fit it with an integral suppressor. Best little woods walking gun I could imagine! Blend of old and new technology.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:09 pm

I had a pair of Marlin levers in 41 MAG but never a Rossi !

FWIW , the 41's I had shot very nicely on paper , but double lung shots on deer were not exactly what I would have expected !

Granted the bullets expanded as they should but animal reaction by three succesive doe whitetails was not what I particularly cared to see . All three deer were shot behind the shoulder with no apparent reaction other then lifting their heads . All three were shot a second time in the exact same spot and only one of the three reacted in a way that would lead you to believe they had been hit . The other two kinda just walked or trotted over a lttle rise in the woods . None of the three went more then 50 yards after the shot and I recovered bullets from two of them other four bullets were pass thru's . The bullet used was the Nosler 210 grain HP. I don't really blame anything for anything as the bullet did what it should I had them loaded warm enough and I hit them where I was supposed to ALL SIX TIMES . The reaction was just not what I would like to see , if it had only been once well I'd forget it . But three succesive deer and all the deer I ever fired on with a 41 MAG seems a little strange to say the least .
The rifle I did that with was the Marlin 1894FG , I also had a Marlin 1894CCL in 41 MAG , wish I had gotten some gas checks that fit the Lyman mold I had and cast and loaded some of those to try in the 1894CCL on deer . I'd just like to see if my home cast would have produced a better reaction then the jacketed stuff !
Oh for those that are unaware the 1894CCL was a special edition Marlin that had a 20" octagon barrel they made them in 32-20 , 41 MAG and 44-40 as I had one of each for awhile .

SmokeEater2 · Post by **SmokeEater2** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:23 pm

.41 mag in a lever gun is a great little package. I have one of the Marlin 1894FG .41's and it's my favorite out of every lever action I own. It's just about perfect for deer and hawgs in thick brush (For me anyway) Easy round to load too.

I load 215 grain LSWC's with gas checks and they have been stone cold killers. I've never tried the jacketed bullets on large game like 6pt-sika mentioned but I'm glad I haven't after hearing how poorly they performed for him.

Post by **Hobie** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:18 pm

Why? Just 'cause. 'Cause they are fun, shoot great and the the cartridge in a rifle rivals the .35 Rem. I have a Contender carbine barrel which is pure fun with Magnum loads and it works. 6ptsitka said that the 210 gr. bullet he was using (the XTP?) didn't work so hot out of the carbine but I haven't had a problem, yet. (Murphy is out there somewhere, I know)

Ranch Dog · Post by **Ranch Dog** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:46 pm

I think you would be better off reboring/rechambering a 357 Mag. I have a spare 357 and was toying with the idea of contacting JES to see if he would do it. That is all I would want him to do and I would handle the rest.

My 1894FG is a killing machine with my TLC411-260-RF. Here on the ranch, I've started to let any hunting guest that doesn't not have a rifle use it. The heavy cast bullet is a killer. It has knocked more deer and hogs completely off their feet that any cartridge shot out here.

piller · Post by **piller** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:55 pm

.41 Mag and .327 Federal would both be nice for me. PillHer has a .327 Sp101 that she loves, and a levergun to go with it would be awesome. I know that it would be a duplicate of the .32-20 in the power department, but it is so easy to load that little straight wall .327, and it uses the same 115 grain lead bullets that the .32-20 uses. I would think that the .327 would be able to feed well since it is long for the diameter, although I am not an expert in that. The .41 Mag should end up with a larger bullet selection if there were enough of us loading for it. I have never shot one, but I have heard lots of good about it.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:11 pm

Chuck 100 yd wrote:WHY???

I found a box of ammo.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:18 pm

olyinaz wrote:
Chuck 100 yd wrote:WHY???
I found a box of ammo.

A far better reason than other excuses I've heard... or used!!! In fact, I have a bunch of .32-40...

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:22 pm

[quote="Ranch Dog"]I think you would be better off reboring/rechambering a 357 Mag. I have a spare 357 and was toying with the idea of contacting JES to see if he would do it. That is all I would want him to do and I would handle the rest./quote]

Interesting thought. What about the mag tube? Any issues there?

Ranch Dog · Post by **Ranch Dog** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:49 pm

olyinaz wrote:Interesting thought. What about the mag tube? Any issues there?

From what I have determined from my 357 Mag, 44 Mag, and 45 Mag R92s is that the only parts that are cartridge specific are the cartridge guides, left and right.

JES rebored/rechambered a Rossi Rio Grande for me from 30-30 Win to 38-55 Win, I love that rifle, but I'm not sure what experience he has with the R92.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:05 pm

Ranch Dog wrote:
olyinaz wrote:Interesting thought. What about the mag tube? Any issues there?
From what I have determined from my 357 Mag, 44 Mag, and 45 Mag R92s is that the only parts that are cartridge specific are the cartridge guides, left and right.

JES rebored/rechambered a Rossi Rio Grande for me from 30-30 Win to 38-55 Win, I love that rifle, but I'm not sure what experience he has with the R92.

Thanks!

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:59 pm

No where up there did I say the bullet didn't do what it was supposed to on any of the three deer !

WHAT I DID SAY WAS , that all three deer showed no visible reaction to being hit . And each was shot twice , and after gutting and skinning all shots were where they were supposed to be . And I even found two of the 6 bullets fired and they mushroomed as one would hope .

I am not sure what to blame for the less then stellar deer reaction . And to be honest if I hadn't been in a hurry to shoot all three I am almost positive i coulda sat there and waited for them all to drop dead after the first shot each . But based on the deers reaction I had no clue whether I hit them or not . Well the first two were like this I shot at the largest doe after the shot she picked her head and then went back to eating , I fired at her againa nd she ambled maybe 30 yards over a hill . She was about 50 yards from me when i fired . The medium sized doe was still standing there eating and I then shot at her once and I swear to God she did the exact same thing and again I fired the second time . And after the second shot she ambled on off and over a rise . Th third was a button buck and he was standing there as well and swear to God I took a pop at him and he did THE EXACT same thing however when I popped him the second time he took off like a scalded cat in a different direction and I saw him fall . After that i got down out the tree and found the other two right over the rise where they went . When I gutted and skinned them about 45 minutes later I found all six shots to have hit where I aimed and 4 were pass thrus with me finding two under the hides on the off sides .

So again under no means do I discredit the bullets the loads , the gun or my shooting ablilty . The only thing that seemd strange was the deers reactions and again if it had been one that did that I would think nothing of it !
I cleaned house like that another time with a 7 Mag . Shot the first and she hauled tail and saw her roll up , shot the second and she followed suit , the third happened to be a button who i am sure was pumped up at that point , anyway took a shot at him and thought I had missed reloaded and fired the second time and he fell right over . Back down at the skinning pole I saw both shots on the button were within an inch of each other . I assume f I hadn't fired the second time he would have toppled over in a few seconds .

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:05 pm

Hobie wrote: 6ptsitka said that the 210 gr. bullet he was using (the XTP?) didn't work so hot out of the carbine but I haven't had a problem, yet. (Murphy is out there somewhere, I know)

In the first place you obviousely skimmed what I wrote !

First off their is NO "T" in "sika" PERIOD !

Second I clearly state the bullet was a Nosler 210 grain JHP , third I stated that the bullets did what they were supposed to as far as penetration , mushroomability etc and the shots hit where they were aimed !

I cannot place blame at any of the normal things for the animals not showing what I think most folks would call a "normal" reaction .

44-40 Willy · Post by **44-40 Willy** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:54 am

6pt, must have been some of those new armor plated deer that I keep hearing that I need to use a 300 Mag to hunt deer for.

Have to admit though that that is pretty strange behavior for 'em. Every one that I ever shot, either fell over dead or ran off. Never had one just stand around like nothing happened.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:06 am

6pt-sika wrote:
Hobie wrote: 6ptsitka said that the 210 gr. bullet he was using (the XTP?) didn't work so hot out of the carbine but I haven't had a problem, yet. (Murphy is out there somewhere, I know)

In the first place you obviousely skimmed what I wrote !

First off their is NO "T" in "sika" PERIOD !

Second I clearly state the bullet was a Nosler 210 grain JHP , third I stated that the bullets did what they were supposed to as far as penetration , mushroomability etc and the shots hit where they were aimed !

I cannot place blame at any of the normal things for the animals not showing what I think most folks would call a "normal" reaction .

Hey no worries Mr. Sitka Spruce!

I think we all got the grist of what you were saying. Maybe even the gist!

I wonder if those deer were dining on whacky tabacky? To stoned to know they'd been shot?

In my case it matters not though. I'd just like to have a companion to my .41 pistols. Sure is an interesting mystery however!

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:31 am

Ranch Dog wrote:
olyinaz wrote:Interesting thought. What about the mag tube? Any issues there?
From what I have determined from my 357 Mag, 44 Mag, and 45 Mag R92s is that the only parts that are cartridge specific are the cartridge guides, left and right.

JES rebored/rechambered a Rossi Rio Grande for me from 30-30 Win to 38-55 Win, I love that rifle, but I'm not sure what experience he has with the R92.

Dog,
The 357m Rossi rifle won't work unless you open up the hole in the receiver for the larger 44/45 mag tube. Then you would also need the 44/45 tube and forewood. and forward barrel band. The better option is to use a 44/45 Rossi, rebarrel or reline to 41 cal then use 357mag shell guides but trim the backs so they install wide enough for the 41. (you also have to remove the skirt from the left guide).

Rossi has actually made 41 mag 92's. A few years back I worked one that belongs to an LSI employee. It may be the only one in country but it was a factory 41 mag 92.

piller wrote:.41 Mag and .327 Federal would both be nice for me. PillHer has a .327 Sp101 that she loves, and a levergun to go with it would be awesome. I know that it would be a duplicate of the .32-20 in the power department, but it is so easy to load that little straight wall .327, and it uses the same 115 grain lead bullets that the .32-20 uses. I would think that the .327 would be able to feed well since it is long for the diameter, although I am not an expert in that. The .41 Mag should end up with a larger bullet selection if there were enough of us loading for it. I have never shot one, but I have heard lots of good about it.

Probably not going to happen. The 32 S&W based carts have rim dia.s that are just too small. The 32-20/25-20 works just barely. The problem is the ejector housing there on the bottom of the bolt. It's too wide to pass through the shell guides. Even the 32-20/25-20 guns have special bolts and lever to clear. To make it work the ejector and lower part of the bolt would have to be totally re-engineered.

For awhile the Chiappa folks showed 92 chambered for 32 H&R mag in their product list but it never came to pass. I'm betting the 22 cal Rossi 92 that was listed for awhile ran into the same problem.

Post by **Hobie** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:08 am

6pt-sika wrote:
Hobie wrote: 6ptsitka said that the 210 gr. bullet he was using (the XTP?) didn't work so hot out of the carbine but I haven't had a problem, yet. (Murphy is out there somewhere, I know)

In the first place you obviousely skimmed what I wrote !

First off their is NO "T" in "sika" PERIOD !

Second I clearly state the bullet was a Nosler 210 grain JHP , third I stated that the bullets did what they were supposed to as far as penetration , mushroomability etc and the shots hit where they were aimed !

I cannot place blame at any of the normal things for the animals not showing what I think most folks would call a "normal" reaction .

Sorry buddy, but I didn't even READ your post at all I just remembered that you'd posted a couple of years back hence the question mark by the XTP and was answering the topic post. I woulda thought that you'd cut a guy a break on typing errors... obviously...

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:23 am

Hey no worries Mr. Sitka Spruce!

I wonder if those deer were dining on whacky tabacky? To stoned to know they'd been shot![/quote]

Hmmmm never considered that !

Perhaps I should go burn a few and then perhaps I could see it from your perspective

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:30 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
Ranch Dog wrote:
olyinaz wrote:Interesting thought. What about the mag tube? Any issues there?
From what I have determined from my 357 Mag, 44 Mag, and 45 Mag R92s is that the only parts that are cartridge specific are the cartridge guides, left and right.

JES rebored/rechambered a Rossi Rio Grande for me from 30-30 Win to 38-55 Win, I love that rifle, but I'm not sure what experience he has with the R92.

Dog,
The 357m Rossi rifle won't work unless you open up the hole in the receiver for the larger 44/45 mag tube. Then you would also need the 44/45 tube and forewood. and forward barrel band. The better option is to use a 44/45 Rossi, rebarrel or reline to 41 cal then use 357mag shell guides but trim the backs so they install wide enough for the 41. (you also have to remove the skirt from the left guide).

Rossi has actually made 41 mag 92's. A few years back I worked one that belongs to an LSI employee. It may be the only one in country but it was a factory 41 mag 92.

.

I would add, the conversion would also require a 357mag breech bolt and ejector. It would have to be opened up for the larger 41 mag rim. The 44/45 bolt & ejector would be too big

Ranch Dog · Post by **Ranch Dog** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:10 pm

Looks to be too big a project for me.

Interesting about the LSI 41 Mag.

44-40 Willy · Post by **44-40 Willy** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:12 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones, thanks for the insights on the conversion possibilities for the 92.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:44 pm

I know one thing - if they would re-engineer the '92 for the 32 caliber cartridges, they'd sell a million of them. I'd settle for just two center-fire lever carbines; a 32-20 or 32 Fed with a 45 Colt or 44 Mag - I'd miss the 357's but 32 & 45 could do it all.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Thanks Steve! So it looks like more than $1500 to have this done and I just don't think I can swing that. If a guy could get it done for $8-900 it would really be a sweet option for someone willing to pay some geedas for an unobtainium rifle, but I just don't know if I can handle that kind of cash going into what would still be a Rossi with Rossi wood etc. after the fact.

Thanks again though!

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:19 am

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:34 pm

olyinaz wrote:Thanks Steve! So it looks like more than $1500 to have this done and I just don't think I can swing that. If a guy could get it done for $8-900 it would really be a sweet option for someone willing to pay some geedas for an unobtainium rifle, but I just don't know if I can handle that kind of cash going into what would still be a Rossi with Rossi wood etc. after the fact.

Thanks again though!

If you start collecting the parts and keep and eye out for a decent used 44/45 cal gun you can probably do it for considerably less.
I just found this Rossi 92 Parts Blue Steel 20" Barrel 357 Magnum for $85

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:48 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
olyinaz wrote:Thanks Steve! So it looks like more than $1500 to have this done and I just don't think I can swing that. If a guy could get it done for $8-900 it would really be a sweet option for someone willing to pay some geedas for an unobtainium rifle, but I just don't know if I can handle that kind of cash going into what would still be a Rossi with Rossi wood etc. after the fact.

Thanks again though!

If you start collecting the parts and keep and eye out for a decent used 44/45 cal gun you can probably do it for considerably less.
I just found this Rossi 92 Parts Blue Steel 20" Barrel 357 Magnum for $85

Thank you sir - I'm on it. I already have the .45 donor gun (ran across one cheap last year). Maybe we can make this happ'n.

missionary5155 · Post by **missionary5155** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:47 pm

Greetings
I jst read all this with great interest as I am another of those who would like a 92 caliber .41 mag and am not afraid to try.
Already have a 336 caliber .414 Supermag ( reamer is where you have to bite hard on leather) so I can see it coming together. Patience and trying will get alot done.
Thanks everyone for the imput and advice.
Mike in Peru

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:17 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Chuck 100 yd wrote:WHY ???
Well duhhh. . . Just BECAUSE. . . !

Gotta remember who your talkin to here...we're levergunnuts. If it can be done without clear risk to life and limb, and has a lever, we WANT one, whatever it is...!

yes, my thoughts exactly. one of every one of them sounds about right !

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:14 am

It's in process. I'll post updates.

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:36 pm

I've been following this thread with interest. 41 Magnum is one of my
favorite cartridges.

Please do keep us updated - I can't wait to see how it turns out!

-Stretch

Newtire · Post by **Newtire** » Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:33 pm

Ranch Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:46 pm I think you would be better off reboring/rechambering a 357 Mag. I have a spare 357 and was toying with the idea of contacting JES to see if he would do it. That is all I would want him to do and I would handle the rest.

My 1894FG is a killing machine with my TLC411-260-RF. Here on the ranch, I've started to let any hunting guest that doesn't not have a rifle use it. The heavy cast bullet is a killer. It has knocked more deer and hogs completely off their feet that any cartridge shot out here.

Would have to do something about the mag tube if you used a .357. Hmmm,would a .44 mag. tube fit a .357 frame?

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:04 pm

.
Wow an old thread but a still-interesting topic a Marlin 1894 or Winchester 1892 in ANY of the 'pistol calibers' is gonna be a fun gun...

My pics:

218 Bee
25-20
32-20 (or 327 Fed Mag or 32 H&R Mag)
357 Bain & Davis
38-40
44-40
475 Linebaugh

I have a 22 LR, 218 Bee, 32-20,, 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 500 S&W in short-action leverguns, so that pretty much covers everything, but other cartridges are welcome...!

crs · Post by **crs** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:28 am

This was my reason for wanting .357 Mag lever gun:

So, if you want a .41 mag rifle match for your .41 Mag handgun bullets try the Win 1895 .405 WCF and shoot .411 bullets of 210 grains, 300 grains, or 400 grains.

Proven on big game in USA and on DG and PG in Africa. Worked for me!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:31 pm

crs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:28 am This was my reason for wanting .357 Mag lever gun:

So, if you want a .41 mag rifle match for your .41 Mag handgun bullets try the Win 1895 .405 WCF and shoot .411 bullets of 210 grains, 300 grains, or 400 grains.

Proven on big game in USA and on DG and PG in Africa. Worked for me!

Whoever said there was not humor on this site?