2400 & 35 Whelen loads

[Mainehunter]

Somewhere I missed placed an article of Paco's 35 Whelen loads that he uses 2400 powder. For the life of me, I can't find the article! I have some 280 grain jacketed bullets I want to try in my custom Ruger #1. Any help would be appreciated!

Mainehunter

[Grizz]

Somewhere I missed placed an article of Paco's 35 Whelen loads that he uses 2400 powder. For the life of me, I can't find the article! I have some 280 grain jacketed bullets I want to try in my custom Ruger #1. Any help would be appreciated!

Mainehunter

is is this one? https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/35remington.htm

found this in the articles link on the Leverguns link, top of the page

[Mainehunter]

Somewhere I missed placed an article of Paco's 35 Whelen loads that he uses 2400 powder. For the life of me, I can't find the article! I have some 280 grain jacketed bullets I want to try in my custom Ruger #1. Any help would be appreciated!

Mainehunter

is is this one? https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/35remington.htm

found this in the articles link on the Leverguns link, top of the page

Close, but looking for the 35 Whelen

[Grizz]

OOps. I missed that. fooey.

https://reloadammo.com/35-whelen-load-data/ this has some load data that includes 2400

I know, you're looking for Paco's article...

[Blaine]

Are those reduced loads?
2400 seems a bit fast for full power loads??

[Grizz]

I just looked at about a dozen sites discussing the 35 Whelen loads. Only one had any info on 2400. I see why Mainhunter is hunting for Paco's article. I saw a list of some of Paco's loads that excluded 2400. IDK why. might be useful to search with the bullet weights that are of interesting.

interesting cartridge with a lot going for it

[Nath]

I'm using 15gns of 2400 in my 30/30.

It seems quite a forgiving powder just as long as you don't get greedy.
In the Whelan I'd start with 16gn and see what it gives and can see you getting to 18gn easy. Maybe a little more.

[Mainehunter]

Are those reduced loads?
2400 seems a bit fast for full power loads??

I wouldn't say full power but the velocities he was getting is around 1800 to 2000 f.p.s.

[Mainehunter]

I just looked at about a dozen sites discussing the 35 Whelen loads. Only one had any info on 2400. I see why Mainhunter is hunting for Paco's article. I saw a list of some of Paco's loads that excluded 2400. IDK why. might be useful to search with the bullet weights that are of interesting.

interesting cartridge with a lot going for it

Paco did a nice write up and I think it was titled "35 Whelen top cartridge of the 21st century". That's where he posted some loads using the Lyman 358009 and 2400 powder. There was a website, Whelen's Northwoods that I spotted the article years back, but the website is offline.

[Mainehunter]

I'm using 15gns of 2400 in my 30/30.

It seems quite a forgiving powder just as long as you don't get greedy.
In the Whelan I'd start with 16gn and see what it gives and can see you getting to 18gn easy. Maybe a little more.

I want to say you're in the ballpark on the powder charges to what Paco used in the 35 Whelen.

[Grizz]

2400 is the powder I use in the 44mag with heavy bullets, and I have used it in 45/70 with heavy bullets, but switched to H322 for the 45/70. not helpful, I know. but interesting in passing.

[Ray]

From paco's article "small charges in standard cases"

The 358s.

Another excellent round that went by the way side is the 358 Winchester. The .358 caliber on the 308 case. Try to buy a used .358 Winchester chambered rifle today, on any action...bolt...slide...auto...or leveraction....(the leveraction is the 356 WinBB). People who have them know and tend to hold on to them. As much as the 35 caliber in rifles has been poo-pooed for years by Americans...once they are owned folks realize how good they are. The 358 Winchester...and the 356 Winchester Big Bore round...which is the 358 case with a rim and longer neck. I make brass for my Winchester Big Bore 356 by firing .308 military loads in the 356 chamber. Gives perfectly fire formed brass, that is thick and lasts forever. Some 356 Win ‘94s will cycle rimless cases...the neck on the 307 and the 356 are longer so the 308 won’t chamber in the 307, but it will in the 356 for fire forming...and the 358 case will not chamber in the 356.

The same thing with the 348 Winchester...died of dis-interest...but try to buy one today. Even if you do find one the price hits ones gag point. Even the magnum 35s like the Norma series failed. Only the 35 Remington and the 35 Whelen seemed to hold on..both having a resurgence in the 1980s. The 35 Whelen becoming a Remington chambered round in 1988 or so. We will cover the 348 in the 35 Whelen/06 class...and the 35 Remington in the 30-30 class sections.

Of course one of the big advantages of the 35 calibers in rifles is the use of .358 caliber handgun bullets...the moulds are plentiful as are their shapes and designs...so we will go with bullet weights. From the 158 grain Keith shapes to the heavy weights in LBT designs to rifle bullets to 300 grains from Lyman and others. Varity is the name of the game with 35 caliber bullets.

For me the all time finest heavy weight .358 cast bullet is the Lyman..#3589. It has been renumbered no doubt to something like 358009. But that doesn’t change the fact that at 290 grains with #2 lead, heat treated to 20 BNH or so...and the nose de-tempered as I described, you have a cast bullet that will kill 90%+ of all the game on earth! It has the distinction of being one of the few of the first bullets ever offered when Ideal Company started in 1895...and still in the line. It’s still a winner because it delivers.

20 grains of 2400 under this 290 grainer will break 1500 fps for near 1500 ft. lbs of muzzle punch. Yet it is an easy load with around 10 lbs of recoil. 10 grns of Unique will go around 1250 fps and near 1000 lbs of energy, again a fine training load or just for woods loafing, yet it can easily knock over a deer or black bear...it’s in the 41 magnum range of power...why not? For a full hunting load 48grns/Acc 2520/2400 fps and 3700 ft.lbs. of muzzle energy. This is a top load and it has to be worked up to carefully. The best medium load I found in both the 356 and the 358, with this bullet is 22 to 23 grains of 2400 for near 1800 fps...accuracy with 2400 is superb with many of the heavy bullets in the 356/358 cases.

There are a number of 250 grain bullet moulds on the market...Lyman’s 358318 gc is one of the good ones...certainly the loads for the 3589/290 grainer will work well with the 250 grainers...giving a little higher velocities. Both these bullets with 3½ to 4 grains of Bullseye will in long barrels give very quiet but powerful loads. Remember in the low velocity loads below 1500 fps soften the alloy so you won’t get fouling. The old standby IMR3031 is fairly good with these two for around 2000 fps loads...38 grains with the 290 and 2000 fps...41 grains with the 250 grain and around 2200 fps. One of the accuracy loads I have found with the 250 grain cast bullets in both the 358 and 356 is again 2400 powder from 24 grains to 26 grains...running around 1900 to 2000 fps.

You can go from 38 special ballistics thru 357 magnum, from 35 Remington ballistics into 358 ballistics and beyond...with 150 grain or so cast bullets thru 160, 180, 200, 220 grain weights.....the 250 grainers thru 290 grains for big game and silent loads. Why are the 358 caliber cartridges so lonely...?absolutely Great 35 Whelen. The old question of: if you only had one gun (rifle in this sense) what would it be.....???? Well thank the good Lord, Americans don’t have to worry over that....but if...it would be for me the 35 Whelen! And it would be on a new Winchester/Browning 1895 leveraction. I would have one that is re-barreled to that excellent round! And I could hunt the world.

Now I’m going to get my self in trouble with some shooters with this next statement...so be sure you lovers of the also great 375 H&H read on for the explanation of what I am really saying. In my bolt action Mauser rifle the 35 Whelen loaded correctly will do everything the 375 H&H will do in Africa!

Explanation: When I was in Africa in the late 1950s I had a 375 H&H on a Continental Double (over/under, unfortunately it wasn’t mine). We used British ammo...it came in tin wrapped packages and was marked, "African Loads", or some such. It was years later that I discovered what that meant. It was loaded down because of the heat in Africa...they were afraid of pressure excursions. The point of all this is...I harvested some of the largest, meanest, most aggressive, toughest, thick skinned animals there...with that ammo. And that ammo, was loaded to the same power levels that the 35 Whelen can easily reach! With the right bullets the Whelen will do the same work. Certainly the 375's .017 thousandths larger bullets make little difference over the .358 caliber bullets. It is the bullet and how it is constructed that is important...and the velocity.

Now comes the part I love to share, I have four loads in the Whelen within the pressure limits of my commercial Mauser action custom rifle that will give 2500 fps with the 3589 (358009) Lyman 290 grain bullet. That’s over 4000 pounds of muzzle energy! I have one load that gives 2600 fps+ with that bullet and that is almost 4400 pounds of punch....and that is in the very top load country of the 375 H&H...not the loaded down ammo for hot weather. At last count, I have five pages of 358 loading data collected over 30 plus years.

When we realize that a number of the very biggest and toughest animals on earth have now been taken cleanly with the heavy new class of revolvers..like the 454 FA..the 475 Linebaugh and such with cast bullets, as well as custom full jacket types....the Whelen can certainly do the same. I am sure having a 460 Weatherby, 600 Nitro, or a number of other big bores is wonderful....but they have two things about them that bother me. Their recoil is out of sight! A 400 grain bullet from a 460 Weatherby can reach 2700 fps, in a 9 pound rifle it generates 100 lbs of recoil! It’s for those that can take it and enjoy it....not me. Especially when I know it is power not needed for anything on earth other than Bradley Armored Vehicles. In 1916 the German Military had a Mauser Rifle that would shot thru tanks...it was big and cumbersome but did the job well...it had less power than a 600 Nitro or 460 Weatherby. And number two reason....they are terribly expensive to buy and shoot. A new 600 Nitro can cost as much as a new car. Commercial ammo runs from 10 to 20 dollars a round! Can you imagine trying to find a silent load for a 600 Nitro...???

A 2500fps/4000 M.E. load that gives excellent accuracy in my Whelen with the 290 grain Lyman is 45 grains of IMR4198. A 250 grain cast bullet over the same powder charge will go over 2800 fps/4350 M.E. A 30/06 with it’s best weight bullets loaded hot can’t come close to these power levels.

Also for gilt edge accuracy and power I worked up to 63.5 grains of WW760 in my Mauser under the 290 grainer for 2626 fps and 4400 ft.lbs. of muzzle energy. I have a very special mold for a 350 grain cast bullet for my Whelen...I won’t give the load because it runs 62,700 psi. It is safe in my rifle...but I only shot a few dozen a year at this pressure and brass dies quickly. But it gives near 4500 ft.lbs. of muzzle energy and the penetration power with hard cast bullets with hard noses, is awesome. And that level is the top of the line for the 375 H&H also.

But since those kinds of loads are for a very limited hunting and play time use...and the recoil is 44 lbs with the 350gr/2400fps load. Lets go into the small charges of fast and medium fast powder.

Lyman makes several good bullets in 358 caliber for rifles...358627 is the design made for the 357 Maxi revolver, it drops at 220 grains in my alloy and is of the Keith shape it is a premier game killer. 358156 is the old Thompson designed gas checked Keith type shape with a gas check at 155 grains....great bullet for rabbits to big deer and black bear...from velocities of 600 fps to 3000 fps. RCBS has a good set of bullets with gas check designs...38-158-SWC, the 38-175-RN is a round nose design that is very blunt and a good game bullet...but the best of their offerings is the 35-200-FN. As a point of comparison...the 30-06 with a jacketed 180 grain bullet will get 2800+ fps...the 35 Whelen with a 200 grain jacketed bullet will do that, and go on to 2950fps with careful loading. Some of my heavy loads??? No, Lyman’s 47th edition Reloading Handbook.

30 grains of 4759 under a 200 grain cast bullet will give 2000 fps. 13 grains of Red Dot will give close to 1500 fps and 17 grains of Unique will go 1700 fps. 4+ grains of Bullseye will go 900 fps and quiet 9, (under the 290 grain it will be even quieter). My barrel length is 23 inches so I can’t get them silent...but past 25 to 30 yards it’s less then that cap gun we spoke of. 15 grains of Green Dot goes 1600+ fps. 9 to 10 grains of 231 will break 1000 fps...all with the 200 to 250 grain cast bullets.

I had my Whelen made in 1968 in Richmond Va., it was first chambered in .358 Winchester...then rechambered to 35 Whelen...for 30 years I used it as a standard 35 Whelen. In 1999 I rechambered it to the 35 Brown/Whelen Improved...it’s velocities went up over 10% of the standard when the pressure is kept the same. And that is the problem with those that write about the improved over the standard in the Whelen and in a number of other caliber/cases...like the 30-30 Imp. They don’t load to the same pressure in the new imp/case. So they report then that the conversion isn’t worth it....and barley-corn comes in different flavors too...if you want to believe it !

Full article.....

https://leverguns.com/articles/paco/small_charges.htm

[CowboyTutt]

Thank you Ray!!!! Wow, Paco was on fire that time!!!

-Tutt

[Mainehunter]

Found the article that I was looking for, but he doesn't mention using 2400 which is strange. Could have sworn he used it.

TOP HUNTING CARTRIDGE of the 20TH CENTURY
The 35 Whelen has been a very good cartridge for me. But it didn’t start with the happy chance of getting a rifle in that chambering...my first Whelen was built in 1968 in Virginia...but it all started for me, in Africa ten years before that.

I had purchased in North Africa, a Mauser 9.3X57mm built in the 1930s, but getting ammo even in 1958 was difficult. And when I could find it, it was expensive. So I had the rifle rechambered to 9.3 X 62mm which was popular, but again ammo was expensive and limited. But my madness wasn’t completely in full swing...trading one hard to find cartridge for another...I planned to use 30-06 cases and reload....

The arab gunsmith that rechambered the rifle made me a mold that had cavities on each end...it was round and had two independent sprue plates...one cavity was 280 grains with a rounded flat nose...the other was 200 grains with a flat nose. Also he made a small die that opened the 30-06 necks just tight enough to seat the cast bullets...a seating die and a sizing die also. I hardly used the sizing die, because I used military ammo. I would pull the military ball, remove the powder...(looked like IMR 4198 in those days) open the neck, pour the powder back in and seat the cast bullet..usually the 280 grainer. I hunted all over Africa with this rifle and load......I harvested little 40 lb Tommies to one very large Hippo...and everything in between. I figure my velocity was around 2300+ fps.

I even killed a nasty female elephant that was making mud holes out of natives, I used a solid 280 grain bullet over the same load. The bullet was steel jacketed with a rounded blunt nose.....I shot her at 10 yards low between the eyes. She stood long enough after being hit, to where I was about to shoot her again when she just slumped down on her belly and died.....the village she had been raiding had a week long feeding party on her....

I always wondered about that shot. She didn’t move, hit right where I aimed...saw the dust come off her head...thought she would fold or charge..but she just stood there...then down. Interesting, considering she had been such an aggressive @#%$ to start with. I have shot elephants with a 375 H&H, ammo loaded for Africa, with the same weight bullet...probably around 2400 to 2500 fps and got very different reactions...certainly the difference in .366 caliber and .375 caliber made little difference in killing power...and a few hundred fps more sure didn’t make much either. I guess I was just lucky the day I brained her....

I was also fortunate to be on two culling operations in two years in Africa. They were designed to not only get a meat supply for a number of native villages but to also stop the herds from eating the villages crops. I averaged more than 30 animals a day on the first operation...and that much, or a little more on the second...that kind of sustained shooting with one rifle builds confidence.....

Jumping to Virginia 10 years later...I bought a commercial Mauser action and wanted to build a 35 Whelen on it. The rifle smith didn’t have a 35 Whelen reamer so we chambered it to 358 Winchester to begin with. I certainly learned to respect that cartridge. In a bolt action rifle the 358 is a fine round. But my heart wanted a 35 Whelen...mainly because it is so close to the 9.3X62 I had in Africa...

Finally I bought a Whelen reamer and opened the chamber...I have never been sorry. I used it in that chambering for almost 30 years...then last year I ran a Brown-Whelen Improved reamer into my chamber....and started working with that. The whole idea was to test all the articles I’ve read about the Imp chambers not giving that much better velocities than the standard chambers...well I get up to 300 fps more with some loads...and when you start pushing Lyman’s fine 280/290 grain cast round nose over 2600 fps...that’s belted magnum country. Take a look at your reloading books and see how many cartridges give over 4300 ft.lbs of muzzle energy....you will find it interesting...
Certainly the history of this fine round developed in the early 1930s and named in honor of the late great rifleman Townsend Whelen...has been document before very well. Ken Water’s in his article on the round did an excellent job and it can be found in his Pet Loads articles collected into book form and sold by Wolfe Publications (Handloader and Rifle magazines).

Close friend John Taffin is having a Winchester 1895 leveraction refitted with a 35 Whelen barrel....and that should be an outstanding combination. Especially since the box magazine of the 95 can take spitzer shaped bullets...back in the 1930s and 40s a number of the older 95s in 30-03 and 30-06 were rebored and rechambered to the Whelen round....and they turned out to be thumpers of large game to the first order. Though I found in shooting a friend’s ‘95 Whelen conversion in 1978, it ‘kicked some’, to be british about it....he didn’t change the steel butt plate. And it does need a good recoil pad.

In the stock of my Whelen bolt gun I have two decelerators installed, and a good thick recoil pad. It’s now a ***** cat in recoil with the heaviest of loads. I have no need to prove my manhood or some such taking a lot of recoil...so I tame all heavy rifles as much as possible. And believe me when you start pushing a 280/290 grain bullet at over 2600 fps...it recoils!

My barrel is 23 inches long, it tapers from a good inch down to .70 at the muzzle. The wood in the stock is dense walnut with very straight grain, the action has been glass bedded...and it has both iron sights and scope blocks. Right now it has a Tasco variable that goes to 9 power....

I like having iron sights on my rifles if at all possible. You never know when on a hunting trip your scope goes south...so the irons will keep you in the game. And since I have killed antelope with the iron sights...at fairly long ranges...I’m confident in using them. I have found that for my eyes express sights work exceptionally well. Many find just the opposite..I even like them on handguns.

I’m sure I saw very few telescopes on a rifle in Africa in the late 1950s...but again that was 40 years ago. I had a small sniper scope that came with my 9.3 Mauser. It was around three power and German military all the way. Out of the second World War I’m sure. It had a course post and a number of cross lines marked in single digits that I’m also sure meant 1 for 100 meters, 2 for 200 meters and so on out 600 meters. I used it only on rare occasions....

A good 30-06 will push a 180 grain jacketed hunting bullet to 2800 fps. And that is a fine load...you could hunt the world with it. 61.5 grains of A2520 and a 180 grain .358 caliber bullet from my Whelen will easily break 3050 fps...I can push the Remington 150 grain spire point made for the 350 Rem/Mag to well over 3200 fps. This is not slamming the 30-06...it is and most likely will always be one of the top premier cartridges of the 20th century. It’s just showing that the Whelen is in a much different ballistic class, made for much heavier game, even though it uses the same cartridge case.

Elmer Keith for example long before the powders we have today that up the velocities of the Whelen substantially, recommended the cartridge for the heaviest of America’s game....he even spoke of guiding folks that took brown and big grizzles with it...as well as moose. He also said he and his father used it on elk for many years...
I have a precious few Nosler 275 grain jacketed round nose bullets left. I save them for big game....moose and up. When I bought them 20 plus years ago at 13 dollars a box for fifty I thought the price outrageous...Now!!!! I wish I had bought ten boxes....oh well. My load for them is simple at 52 grains of the wonderful H335 and 2450 + fps. Too bad I can’t find a few solids of that weight or near it...they would do everything the vaulted 375 H&H can do...

Midway put out for sale a run of R-P nickel plated (electroless I’m sure) 35 Whelen cases. I bought 100 and have been trying to wear them out since I got them back around three years ago...still working on them...and now some are formed to the improved version and still going strong....I have used old military match 30-06 ammo cases since I have had the rifle...they seem to last forever....and the match cases don’t have the crimped primers the standard military cases have. Of course finding them today is getting difficult because of the 308's eclipse of the 06. But if you run into some at a gun show or some where, don’t be afraid to buy them.

I load my Whelen’s hunting loads to 50,000 to 55,000 psi...naturally I have many reduced and medium loads. But if I am going for the big ones or the long shots I load to it’s potential. So if you have a 35 Whelen or are building one be sure the action is strong enough for the full loads I mention here. Many die manufacturers make an expanding die that will open 30-06 brass with one pass...then load and fire. It’s worth the few dollars extra when ordering Whelen reloading dies....sometimes it’s just and insert that goes in the sizing/decapping die...what ever you get it pays for itself in the long run.

The old IMR powders on the slow side like 4350 and 4831 with the heavy slugs from 275 up thru 300 plus grains were good yesteryear...and are still good today...but the whole field of ball powders has changed all that. Today velocities can be reached that were attainable only with over pressure loads just a decade or so ago....

The best all around powder I have found in the Whelen...and really in the 358 Winchester as well as the 356 Win/levergun round is H335. It doesn’t always give the highest velocities but it sure gives some of the highest with excellent accuracy with just about any bullet weight with high end loads.....one of the velocity champs with bullets up to 200 grains is A2520...pushing a 180 grain bullet at the velocities near 3000 fps. And it will push the 200 grain bullet very close behind it. And with 57 grains in the standard case under the jacketed 250 grain bullets we are talking 2500 fps plus. And 53 grains under my 275 grainer will push them as I said 2450 fps +.
Remington’s 150 grain spire point is just the berries for the Whelen. In actual tests with this bullet loaded to 3200 fps and a 3 inch high at 100 yards...it is down 14 inches at 350 yards....66 grains of the old time 3031 is still hard to beat in the standard case....just as 57 grains of ReLoader #7 under the 150 spire point is today. The 3031 load will go close to 3200 fps and the Reloader will cut 3250 fps and that’s in a 23 inch barrel. And this bullet is a large game bullet made for the old 350 Rem/Magnum so it’s not some explosive varmint slug that will ruin a lot of meat. I have taken many deer with it...it is a lightning strike on animals up to 200 lbs.

My old notes from 1971 show that I had a load with IMR 4198..45 grains under a 250 grain hard cast Lyman round nose gave 2800 fps! I have a very special built Hoch mold. It was built 20 years ago to my design and drops a 325 grain hard cast bullet...340 in soft lead. With 57 grains of WW760 it gets very near 2200 fps...and I have never had one stay inside an animal all the way up to very large feral cattle well over a ton in weight. It’s a flat tipped round nose, bore riding and gas checked....It just fits my box magazine when loaded correctly, it is the heaviest bullet I have ever used from a 35 caliber rifle.

The afore mentioned Lyman 3589 280/290 grain bullet is my favorite. I can cast it soft...but water tempered...gas checked and Apache Blu lubed, at 1500 fps it is fun yet deadly on small game. Also loaded to around 1000 fps with 8 grains of Bullseye and a small wisp of Dacron holding the powder to the primer...I have take things like Javelina, large eating birds like turkey, and all kinds of varmints at close range.

I was brush hunting Javelina in 1979 when I spotted a mule deer about fifty yards from me. This is a quiet load...about like a kids cap gun. I shot him in the heart. He leaped up, kicked into his chest, and ran in a dead run for about 100 plus yards and fell down in a cloud of dust. Dead when I got to him. The Lyman soft cast bullet was against a low rib on the opposite side..it had mushed the heart...not the ideal deer load...but in a pinch with a dead on shot, it does the business.

When I had this rifle built I made sure it had deep and wide rifling for cast bullets. It shoots all manner of 357 bullets...cast and jacketed. I once had a 173 grain cast Keith bullet loaded to way over 2000 fps. Shot a little rabbit in the head at about 25 yards. It seemed like a long instant after the shot...there was a plopping sound. It was the top of the rabbit’s head, forehead up and the two ears hitting the ground after it had gone straight up....that’s all that was left except for tufts of fur blowing helter skelter....
I have taken deer and black bear...antelope and elk...I don’t know how many coyotes out to long range and back...feral dogs, crows, wild cats, one cougar treed by dogs, and all kinds of vermin. In the wilds of Virginia on power line cuts I have shot deer grazing at very long range....I have shot heavy feral cattle at ranges to 150 yards. And with rocks and such...if you can see the target you can walk shots into it...this is one of those calibers that pushes up dust when things are hit....

And then came the 35 Imp/Whelen. Let me say that I’m not sorry that I improved my rifle’s chamber. But it will not do anymore than the standard chambering would on the lower 48 states game...save yourself the extra cost of reamers and special dies. But if you want 93% of the power of the great 375 H&H Magnum...if you want brass that doesn’t stretch, necks that rarely need trimming, and one of the nicest looking loaded rounds you can find then mayhaps the Improved version Whelen is what you are looking for.
And as for the critics saying that it doesn’t up velocities enough to make it worth it. I can get near heavy 375 H&H Magnum velocities with 15 to 18 grains less powder! I think it is worth it, if you are going to take it to Africa...going to take it to Canada or Alaska...it will bring down the largest of the thin skinned game. And I don’t know why anyone would...except a situation like I faced in 1958...but with the right bullet it will even take down elephant! Many gun writers I respect have said that the all around rifle/caliber for the world can be the 375 H&H. Well 375s take extra long actions...expensive actions and with the 300 grain Barnes bullets for the Whelen...the 375 doesn’t even have that edge any more..you can hunt small game with a 375 H&H but it’s not really adaptable to handgun velocities up to medium deer loads...the Whelen especially the Improved version can do it all...it’s the poor man’s magnum rifle round.....



BEST LOADS OVER 30 YEARS....
60/4320 IMR 220 JRN/Speer 2740fps/3668ft.lbs 1954Speer/catalog
62.5 WW760 280 Lyman cast 2514fps/3930ft.lbs heavy game
45/4198 IMR 250 Lyman/cast 2800fps/4353ft.lbs most powerful
57/A2520 250gr WW JSN 2530fps/3554 ft.lbs heavy game
52/H335 275 JRN 2455 fps/3681 thick skin game
61.5/A2520 180 JSN 3059 fps/3740ft.lbs best all around jacket/load
53/H335 250 gr WW/JSN 2525 fps/3540ft.lbs heavy game
57/ReL #7 150gr Rem Jacketed 3248 fps/3514 ft.lbs medium game
57/WW760 325 Hoch 2210 fps/3525ft.lbs for large game
8/Bullseye 280 Lyman 1001 fps/640 ft.lbs pest/sm game load

The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.p.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
John Taylor - "African Rifles and Cartridges"

[Nath]

Hey...I wasn't far off!
"20 grains of 2400 under this 290 grainer will break 1500 fps for near 1500 ft. lbs of muzzle punch. "

Good ole' Paco

[AmBraCol]

Is the info you're looking for in his "small charges" article?


https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco ... harges.htm

Or perhaps this is the article you're looking for?

http://35cal.com/35whelen.htm

[Mainehunter]

Is the info you're looking for in his "small charges" article?


https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco ... harges.htm

Or perhaps this is the article you're looking for?

http://35cal.com/35whelen.htm

Small Charges article I already have. The 35 Whelen is what I needed, Thanks!