Picked up a beater

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Picked up a beater

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Kind of a foul weather backup to my 71 carbine. Both made in 1941. Haven't shot the full mag yet to see how much of a difference it makes on accuracy.
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If I go with friends to Colorado next year I'm thinking of having it chambered in 348 Ackley Improved. Does 348ai out of a 20 inch barrel gain enough to make it worth the change?
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If that's a beater, I'd hate to know what you'd call my guns...... :D
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Fine looking beaters :P
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Heh, the carbine has more carry wear than you can see but it's nice enough that I'd want to use something else on a hard hunt. The customized model 71 might be the perfect beater/backup rifle with the receiver drilled for a scope mount, barrel shortened at 20 inches, and full mag.

With today's bullets from Woodleigh and Hawk is 348 AI out of the short barrel necessary any more? Thinking of all of the bear sign my buddies see where they hunt in Colorado.
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I'm skeptical that improving the chamber would be worth it. The AI is not going to do anything the 348 can't do with those setups. Not my guns, but I think I would just find a load acceptable in both and keep things simple.
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Interesting....never saw someone putting a full mag on a 71. I'd definitely check to see that carbine style barrel band is "freefloated". 71's are notorious for the forened cap being too tight and if you combine that with a tight barrel band it will throw your shots all over after a couple of rounds to heat it up.

I see it has the bolt peep, a very desirable sight indeed.

Sure wouldn't call it a beater....I'd call it a nice 71 with a couple of contemporary mods.....

Leave the chamber alone....the A.I. is a solution to a nonexistent problem in the 348.

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Hey Six, my carbine is #20181 and the custom is #21956. Imagine I've got some work to do as the barrel band feels like it's welded in place. The forend feels floated though. Interesting configuration. I really like the extra rounds if things get exciting.
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I was off a year on the custom, it's from 1942.
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Walker wrote:
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Hey Six, my carbine is #20181 and the custom is #21956. Imagine I've got some work to do as the barrel band feels like it's welded in place. The forend feels floated though. Interesting configuration. I really like the extra rounds if things get exciting.
Only the first shot from a cold barrel will matter. If things get exciting, the action will be so close that any minor variation in accuracy will be meaningless.

I would shoot that full tube carbine and see what it will do from a cold barrel. (One shot, cool it down, then fire another......). Then test and see if repeat shots open things up.
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I know beaters, as over decades of collecting I've bought many just to fix up. I don't see any beaters there?
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Yeah Guys, maybe not a beater but with the upgrades I'm not worried about nicks and dings on the full mag carbine. That original carbine was my Grail gun, so I'm more protective of it. I'll keep both in the original chambering and put the savings toward good bullets and a change of shorts... for after the excitement.
I picked up new brass back when it was cheap and Barnes-X bullets from a board member so I just need to get a load that works well enough for both.
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Walker....let me explain something to you on "beaters"......a quality gun with a minor alternation is called "non collectible", "beater", "junk", all for one reason.....it's an excuse for the buyer upon making a deal with the seller to get it without parting with anymore money he has to........a "beater" in my opinion is a gun that was abused, never cleaned, drug behind a horse, stock held together with duct tape, barrel chopped to 16 inches, a scope welded on..and so forth....

A $5000 gun with 2 extra 1/8" holes is still worth $4,500 but the price suddenly drops to $2500. You still have two nice guns there...the carbine is especially desirable....

Forgot how many times I've seen knowledgeable people beat down the unknowledgable seller with excuses like.."it has a nick on the wood", there's a split in the tang area, I see heavy rust in the bore..(when it's dust)....and so on....then the new buyer gleefully walks away with his new prize and has it all fixed up nice in a couple of hours.....(yea, I've done that)----006
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I follow... the full mag 71 is one that I'd take into weather and terrain that I won't take the carbine into. Not a beater but it won't lose any value going up the mountain.

The carbine receiver has carry wear on the bottom so it's not mint and I'd be comfortable in the woods with it.
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Wow. Two short rifle 71s?!
Bra-vo sir.

Like Six said, to me a beater is a firearm that has been abused. Wear is not abuse, and I actually love the look of a Winchester with wear that has been well cared for.
If I buy a rifle as a "beater", I still find myself caring for it as I would any other rifle. It's the creed of the rifleman.

I also think we have reached a point where ANY functioning 86 action is not a beater. :D

I do hope your new purchase gives you more time afield with a wonderful rifle. I'm sure that was your idea behind the acquisition. I've done that many times myself.
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The bolt peep on the custom is really nice. I've heard they tend to work loose but this one's tight. Playing with an old merit hunting aperture I can actually see the front sight without my glasses.
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Really like that full mag 71. I have a second 71 rifle that was re-stocked and am thinking of making it a carbine. If you were going to have this done who would you recommend?? If I were just shortening the barrel there is a local gunsmith quite capable. Adding a full length magazine I am not so sure of. Thanks for any info you can share....
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Personally, 71's are so hard to find and such a classic, I would not be inclined to modify one. If I was going to move from .348, the improved version does little in the way of improvement. If you want to change it, you could go 450 Alaskan or 50 Alaskan. 348 case expanded to 458 or 510. These are a whole new level of thump on the 71.
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The .348 is a pretty powerful cartridge as is. I'm not sure I would do anything but shoot it until it was a part of me.
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Already have one original one and the second one is already messed with so I would like to make some changes that I would like. I am not set on those changes though....
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The previous owner had also converted another 71 deluxe to full length mag with the 24 inch barrel. He was in his 70s and raising money for a sailboat. If he's still available I'll ask who did the work, he may have done it himself though.
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Thank you!
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There's nothing like heading to the wood's in class!
Those 71's are oozing class!
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Sorry to report the previous owner passed on last year.
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