Random Handloading Thoughts.....

[Ray]

KirkD's toilet paper case filler technique is all you'll ever need.....

single sheet, one ply, rolled into tube, folded in half, double end down against powder, folded end up.....forget the polenta, farina, grits, dacron, etc.

With reduced loads in very large, necked cases that are difficult to look into and gauging powder level for the purpose of guaranteeing no double or triple loads, try throwing charges into clear medical sample tubes/vials first.....invert case to insure empty, add powder, filler (if needed), seat bullet.....

4.5 c.c of trailboss (no filler) and the 235 speer .375 in a 9 pound .375 H&H is like shooting a .22 hornet.....

your thoughts ?

[wm]

Back in the old days I followed the example set by some of the guys who showed me how to handload. They used those styro foam sheets you used to get when buying meat. They would punch out little circles and use those. Worked great in straight wall cases. Bottle necked not so much.

When shot the Styrofoam reacted with the heat and evaporated.

Can't find Styrofoam much any more.

Wm

[cas]

The secret to reduced loads is buying another gun in a smaller cartridge. You guys are wasting perfectly good excuses to lie to yourself.

[crs]

One of my best tricks is finding a left over cache of .458 DG ammo just before beginning to load replacements.
In this case it was 15 rounds of .45-90 ammo - enough to kill several bison, water buff, or Cape buff.

[rossim92]

KirkD's toilet paper case filler technique is all you'll ever need.....

single sheet, one ply, rolled into tube, folded in half, double end down against powder, folded end up.....forget the polenta, farina, grits, dacron, etc.

With reduced loads in very large, necked cases that are difficult to look into and gauging powder level for the purpose of guaranteeing no double or triple loads, try throwing charges into clear medical sample tubes/vials first.....invert case to insure empty, add powder, filler (if needed), seat bullet.....

4.5 c.c of trailboss (no filler) and the 235 speer .375 in a 9 pound .375 H&H is like shooting a .22 hornet.....

your thoughts ?

WILL THE QUILTED KIND HELP ANY?

[bikerbeans]

New or used TP?

BB

[1894c]

New or used TP? :shock:
BB

I'd go with new, because you don't want to spread some random DNA back into polite society... actually, I like KirkD's idea alot... :)

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[marlinman93]

Never used fillers, tp, or anything else in my loads, and never will. I use powders that don't need them. Simpler and safer.

[piller]

Does the TP wipe your bore?

[Jay Bird]

Never used fillers, tp, or anything else in my loads, and never will. I use powders that don't need them. Simpler and safer.

I agree......fillers can be hazardous even if properly done. That's why there is Unique and 5744.---6

[rossim92]

Does the TP wipe your bore?

roflmao!

[marlinman93]

Never used fillers, tp, or anything else in my loads, and never will. I use powders that don't need them. Simpler and safer.

I agree......fillers can be hazardous even if properly done. That's why there is Unique and 5744.---6

Years ago I bought a copy of "The Modern Schuetzen Rifle" by Wayne, Dell, and Schwartz. Charlie Dell did some experiments with smokeless powders and wads, fillers, etc. He was able to "ring" chambers creating a neat little lateral bulge almost at will. There were plenty of powders he tried that would ring the chamber if a filler or wad was used. But none of them would ring a chamber without any filler or wad.
After reading his trials, and experiments, it just confirmed my not ever using them.

[piller]

I am very curious as to how that could work. To do it, it would have to create an overpressure situation. A very big overpressure situation. Were these fast burning powders which the fillers forced into an area that was actually too small for their burn rate? Could that have been the cause of an overpressure situation of epic proportions? Generally, most rifle powders do not give pressures over 65,000, and it usually takes over 90,000 to cause a bulge in a rifle barrel. These are generalizations, and not necessarily the most accurate pressures. Just used to show that it does not seem intuitive that reduced powder charges would cause increased pressures.

[Jay Bird]

Piller...I'm no ballistician but from what I understand, the filler, or wad of some sort acts as an obstruction, the same way a chunk of dirt or something in the barrel will cause a bulge or ring. It does not need much pressure to do this....think a .22 slug is halfway down the barrel and you shoot another round...it will leave a ring....sometimes...

I "think" that's the way it happens. What I do know for sure, I've seen several old rifles with rings in the chamber from people using fillers/wads.--6

[piller]

OK. A temporary blockage could explain a pressure spike. I had not considered that.

[marlinman93]

Piller...I'm no ballistician but from what I understand, the filler, or wad of some sort acts as an obstruction, the same way a chunk of dirt or something in the barrel will cause a bulge or ring. It does not need much pressure to do this....think a .22 slug is halfway down the barrel and you shoot another round...it will leave a ring....sometimes...

I "think" that's the way it happens. What I do know for sure, I've seen several old rifles with rings in the chamber from people using fillers/wads.--6

Perfect description Sixgun! And exactly what Charlie Dell said was happening. Since there is something over the powder, and a bullet at the end of the case, the powder begins to build pressure and then slams into the bullet. That reaction rings or bulges the chamber instantly. And it doesn't take more than once to happen.
I've got a very rare and expensive Ballard #7 Long-Range rifle in .44-100 sitting here with a bulged chamber. I bought it that way because someone ringed the chamber using small charges of smokeless and a wad. Perfect bore in it, so I hope to have the chamber reamed and lined; then rechambered in the original .44-100 caliber.

[Jay Bird]

Thanks Marlinman....anyone who plays with the old guns for a long enough time learns these things, either through his or others mistakes. I've posted this before here on the board but for some reason, I get blown off with one guy specifically telling me, "everyone does it"....oh well, that's their guns.---6

[piller]

I did some reading. It seems that the double base propellants which have nitroglycerine in them will ring a chamber if there is too much open space between the powder and the bullet. A secondary detonation occurs when the first base burns then the pressure wave hits the stationary object. The bullet. It seems that this does not occur when the double base propellant has only a small space between it and the bullet, or when the powder is not up against the primer such as would happen if you raise the muzzle straight up before firing. That also explains the damaged old shotgun barrels that were so common when smokeless powder really took over. Some fellow wrote a book about his experiments, and he could ring a chamber almost at will with a reduced load of double base propellant and the firearm pointed straight up. That was without a wad or filler. What I noticed was that it was double base powder in almost every case.