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I've been a life member since the late 60's, and can tell you that I don't like this development in the NRA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... story.html
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I've been a life member since the late 60's, and can tell you that I don't like this development in the NRA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... story.html
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My ad blocker kept me off the site, but I caught enough of the headline to understand your angst. On the other hand, WaPo is a hard left socialist mouthpiece, so I imagine they put the worst possible spin on the story. Let's hope so, anyway.
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Gee, a 57 percent pay raise for Wayne @#*&@* La Pierre? With all the stuff that's going down?
I'm out. I'm done. Second Amendment Foundation.
I trust the Washington Post.
I'm out. I'm done. Second Amendment Foundation.
I trust the Washington Post.
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If it's true it sucks, the NRA must be doing okay to afford such obscene increases maybe a little swamp draining at the top is required.
From my experiences in the UK without a powerful pro-gun lobby you are on your own against the government, even if you have right on your side you have lost before you start. In my opinion one large powerful organisation is better than a few small groups no matter how sincere and hard working they may be.
When handguns were about to be outlawed in Britain I went on marches through London several times, I wrote letters to the government and personally spoke to politicians, I spent money joining the few shooters rights groups that sprung up at the time, all to no avail. I looked at your NRA with envy and was saddened that British shooters had sat on their backsides till it was too late.
If the NRA is broken then fix it, don't throw it away.
From my experiences in the UK without a powerful pro-gun lobby you are on your own against the government, even if you have right on your side you have lost before you start. In my opinion one large powerful organisation is better than a few small groups no matter how sincere and hard working they may be.
When handguns were about to be outlawed in Britain I went on marches through London several times, I wrote letters to the government and personally spoke to politicians, I spent money joining the few shooters rights groups that sprung up at the time, all to no avail. I looked at your NRA with envy and was saddened that British shooters had sat on their backsides till it was too late.
If the NRA is broken then fix it, don't throw it away.
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That kind of thing has been going on since the 1960s, and rears its head every once in awhile. It seems like the typical thing that large corporations do where those at the top start getting paid more than they are probably worth, and get lots of side 'benefits' of dubious ethics.
On the other hand, there is no other group with that degree of clout, and it is hard to put a dollar value on some of that intangible things that a charismatic leader does. He may be way over paid and doing things that I don't think are ethical, but his name is recognized by many legislators and they do tend to back down on the NRA. If I send them $20 and they only use $19.15 of that for the pro-gun cause, instead of $19.93, I may not like it, but it is still membership contributions mostly well spent.
Like others here, I also keep up membership and contribute to the Second Amendment Foundation/CCRKBA, and Gun Owners of America. One of the biggest issues I think is that NRA members don't contribute to the Institute for Legislative Action, which is where the political clout actually comes from. Also, life membership paid twenty years ago doesn't benefit them nearly as much current annual contribution, weather through getting a grandkid an annual membership, or signing up for an extra annual membership for yourself.
The way I feel about Wayne Pierre is kind of like the way I feel about Donald Trump. I may not like or approve of some of the things he does, but he is an effective leader dwho we need at this point. If somebody shows up to take over the organization who can do a better job, I will vote to that end, but I won't abandon the organization.
As to the Washington Post; the only thing I trust them to do is to put any pro-gun organization in the worst light possible. They're probably not lying outright about the situation, but I won't let them rile me up too much.
On the other hand, there is no other group with that degree of clout, and it is hard to put a dollar value on some of that intangible things that a charismatic leader does. He may be way over paid and doing things that I don't think are ethical, but his name is recognized by many legislators and they do tend to back down on the NRA. If I send them $20 and they only use $19.15 of that for the pro-gun cause, instead of $19.93, I may not like it, but it is still membership contributions mostly well spent.
Like others here, I also keep up membership and contribute to the Second Amendment Foundation/CCRKBA, and Gun Owners of America. One of the biggest issues I think is that NRA members don't contribute to the Institute for Legislative Action, which is where the political clout actually comes from. Also, life membership paid twenty years ago doesn't benefit them nearly as much current annual contribution, weather through getting a grandkid an annual membership, or signing up for an extra annual membership for yourself.
The way I feel about Wayne Pierre is kind of like the way I feel about Donald Trump. I may not like or approve of some of the things he does, but he is an effective leader dwho we need at this point. If somebody shows up to take over the organization who can do a better job, I will vote to that end, but I won't abandon the organization.
As to the Washington Post; the only thing I trust them to do is to put any pro-gun organization in the worst light possible. They're probably not lying outright about the situation, but I won't let them rile me up too much.
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Well, because the article is in the leftist, anti-gun, anti-NRA Washington Post, I don't believe it. If I read it in an official NRA public release, yep and I can understand. The NRA is under constant attack and fighting back takes money. Besides, everything costs more than in the past. People whine about the NRA and how it works, but without it we would probably be armed like England...
Mike
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Very well said gamekeeper and AJMD429 and only too true. Those who turn their back on the NRA, those who don't vote will allow the opposition to win through apathy. "Also known as the bystander effect, bystander apathy occurs when, during an emergency, those standing by do nothing to help but instead stand by and watch." (Wikipedia) Though it seems overwhelming and hopeless at times we have to remain proactive. If the 2nd. amendment falls then the 1st. will be the next and so on. I do tire of hearing people say "they can't do that, it's against the Constitution". They can, they will and they have already done it in far too many states. The following became popular in the late 60's and it's probably more relevant now than back then. "If you aren't part of the solution, you must be part of the problem".
Please forgive the rant and I do realize I'm preaching to the choir here but it can be so frustrating to hear, after the smoke has cleared "why didn't the (whatever applicable organization) stop them?"
Please forgive the rant and I do realize I'm preaching to the choir here but it can be so frustrating to hear, after the smoke has cleared "why didn't the (whatever applicable organization) stop them?"
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I lost faith in the NRA "leadership", if you can call it that, when I saw how much they were spending on wardrobe and such. The same thing is happening with the UAW and the Teamsters before them. Anytime an organization gets too big to be monitored by the rank and file the salaries go up and the looting begins.
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Doc AJMD said it best......
It's left wing propaganda from the notorious left wing W.P.
It sounds like liberals decrying the rich man when a conservative goes against "the ones at the top". I remember the NRA before Wayne LaPierre......it was a million members.....look at us now.---6
Wayne is my hero....he deserves all that's coming to him. Do you really think people at the top in other organizations live frugal?
He had the time to stop and shake the hand of a peon.
It's left wing propaganda from the notorious left wing W.P.
It sounds like liberals decrying the rich man when a conservative goes against "the ones at the top". I remember the NRA before Wayne LaPierre......it was a million members.....look at us now.---6
Wayne is my hero....he deserves all that's coming to him. Do you really think people at the top in other organizations live frugal?
He had the time to stop and shake the hand of a peon.
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I believe there is something wrong there at the top. The fact is maybe the leadership has been in charge a little too long, gotten too comfortable giving each other perks, and lost sight of what their purpose is.
And Yes I am a Life Member (30 years now), long time volunteer, and had this sinking feeling for several years that leadership was getting isolated in their ivory tower.
Wm
P.S. This goes along with the issues that the NRA let down their guard with Russian influencers, the NRA TV debacle, Oliver North 'coup attempt', Ackerman & McQueen PR firm lawsuit, etc.
And Yes I am a Life Member (30 years now), long time volunteer, and had this sinking feeling for several years that leadership was getting isolated in their ivory tower.
Wm
P.S. This goes along with the issues that the NRA let down their guard with Russian influencers, the NRA TV debacle, Oliver North 'coup attempt', Ackerman & McQueen PR firm lawsuit, etc.
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I've always been an annual member, never have done the lifetime thing. It's too late in life for me to consider that now. When my membership is due again I think I'm going to renew with an associate membership. The cost will be less and I won't get the magazine but I'll still be counted as a member in the grand tally for political purposes. Maybe if enough people did that it would send the message that needs to be sent.
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The NRA isn't structured in a manner to self-control the organization. Elections are pretty much restricted to the offered candidates and the majority of the members have NO real say in how it's run or what happens. I belonged to it for well over forty years and finally gave up on it about two years ago. I strongly support the 2nd amendment, and I was a firearms instructor for many years. However, mismanagement (some say corruption) can occur anywhere. I'm not anyone's piggy bank. If they want to survive, they'd better clean up their management. They count on blind obedience and seem to get enough of it to stay in business. I'm not blind either. I'd like to get back to supporting them again, I always believed they were there to protect my rights, not pick my pocket.
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I would be curious as to the various ways people 'support the Second Amendment' without belonging to the NRA.....do they donate hundreds of dollars to the SAF, CCRKBA, GOA, JPFO, or other groups, and/or do they sign up to testify at city, county, or state legislative hearings....?
'Supporting the Second Amendment' is a fine thing, but has to be done in some semblance of an effective manner, or it is just blowing smoke.
'Supporting the Second Amendment' is a fine thing, but has to be done in some semblance of an effective manner, or it is just blowing smoke.
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"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
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I am a member of the NRA, and I can't do what they do on my own. OK, I do have some hesitation about some of the spending. That said, I thy to vote for the best choices in the elections every year. I just do not believe what the Washington Compost says. If they want me to quit being a member, they are not the ones who might ever come close to doing that. B
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Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up---Robert Frost