Yeah.... but I had to say it!It's falling on deaf ears.
-Stretch
Yeah.... but I had to say it!It's falling on deaf ears.
stretch wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:40 amYou are correct in all of that, Beaker.These safety questions require years of testing, research and the expenditure of hundreds of millions of dollars (or more) for every drug compound released to the market. After a drug product is released to market strict monitoring must be performed to document and study adverse effects such as adverse patient reactions, various medical complaints, lack of efficacy complaints, etc. These complaints and findings a required to be reported to the FDA.
Many of those studies are funded in the end by Big Pharma. They pay the universities to come up with
the results that they want. Some of the results of those studies are "tweaked." The studies conducted
for Zoloft, Prozac, and Vioxx are three that come immediately to mind. Homicidal ideation for the first
two - (and other psychotropic drugs), and heart attacks for Vioxx were all known side effects, but the
results were deliberately misreported so that the drugs could go to market. Greed trumps the well-being
of American citizens. (Do a little bit of research about the current organic vs. synthetic insulin scam if
you don't believe me.) The penalties for misreporting are simply a cost of doing business, and Big Pharma
can well afford the fines. No one goes to jail.
Note that such studies for cannabis are illegal to conduct. How very convenient for Big Pharma!
Cannabis has been known for decades to ease pain and restore appetite in cancer patients undergoing
chemotherapy. It's also very effective in the treatment of long-term chronic pain with many fewer
side effects than narcotics. It's also impossible to overdose on marijuana, unlike alcohol, codeine,
oxycontin, methadone, morphine, heroin, fentanyl, etc.. It's virtually certain that the sort of studies
you talk about would confirm all of this; but as long as the Big Pharma lobby has a chokehold on
Congress and the shareholders' greed continues to make profit a bigger priority than national health,
the needed studies will never happen. There's no corporate money in an herb that sick people can
grow in their own homes, so there will be no funding for transparent, independent studies to prove
or disprove it's effectiveness.
-Tom
Blaine you are wrong. There are documented cases. The data is hidden from you on the internet.
Ok, end of show...Provide something beside a meme or an aluminum foil-wrapped conspiricy theory.Beaker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:55 pmBlaine you are wrong. There are documented cases. The data is hidden from you on the internet.
https://www.facebook.com/27822668589712 ... 41/?type=3
For your other assertions and conspiracy theories please show credible documentation or evidence to support your assertions
I had to rush my ex to the hospital after her first dose of Vioxx. Yep - cardiovascular event symptoms.The data that ultimately persuaded the company to withdraw the drug indicated 15 cases of heart attack, stroke or blood clots per thousand people each year over three years, compared with 7.5 such events per thousand patients taking a placebo.
But the company never directly tested the theory that it used to explain the worrisome results of the clinical trial in 2000. Merck was criticized for what some charged was playing down the drug's possible heart risks; in one case, it received a warning letter from the Food and Drug Administration for minimizing "potentially serious cardiovascular findings." And when outside researchers found evidence indicating Vioxx might pose dangers, Merck dismissed their data.
BlaineG wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:01 pmOk, end of show...Provide something beside a meme or an aluminum foil-wrapped conspiricy theory.Beaker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:55 pmBlaine you are wrong. There are documented cases. The data is hidden from you on the internet.
https://www.facebook.com/27822668589712 ... 41/?type=3
IOW, there are "documented" cases that you know all about, but "I" will never see. Got it.
Ok, I thought I was done We are talking about pot and only about pot. Please don't deflect by adding other drugs and issues into the conversation. And as I already said, NOT talking about idiots that kill themselves while high. (sarcasm on) You sound like the script for the 30s film Reefer Madness or maybe Our Government saying for decades that agent orange was harmless. Etc, etc.On a side but related issue how do you feel about legalizing coca or coca leaves for personal use? Native indians have used it for for centuries as a herbal medicine and anesthetic. What about crude cocaine extracted from coca leaves? Remember it used to be added quite often to cough syrups, home remedies, what we would consider today to be over the counter (OTC) medicines and in soft drinks such as Coca-Cola, etc. Where should we as a society ( and therefore the government) draw the line between readily available OTC medicines, Rx only (prescription medicines) or totally prohibited substances such as cocaine, THC and related substances? Do you advocate no restrictions at all for any substance being any substance can be purchased legally and without a prescription for any use such as cocaine, THC, aspirin, opium or heroin, etc as many people do?
BlaineG wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:54 pmOk, I thought I was done We are talking about pot and only about pot. Please don't deflect by adding other drugs and issues into the conversation. And as I already said, NOT talking about idiots that kill themselves while high. (sarcasm on) You sound like the script for the 30s film Reefer Madness or maybe Our Government saying for decades that agent orange was harmless. Etc, etc.On a side but related issue how do you feel about legalizing coca or coca leaves for personal use? Native indians have used it for for centuries as a herbal medicine and anesthetic. What about crude cocaine extracted from coca leaves? Remember it used to be added quite often to cough syrups, home remedies, what we would consider today to be over the counter (OTC) medicines and in soft drinks such as Coca-Cola, etc. Where should we as a society ( and therefore the government) draw the line between readily available OTC medicines, Rx only (prescription medicines) or totally prohibited substances such as cocaine, THC and related substances? Do you advocate no restrictions at all for any substance being any substance can be purchased legally and without a prescription for any use such as cocaine, THC, aspirin, opium or heroin, etc as many people do?
That is the sort of research I like to see. Natural products should be looked at with an open mind. There are products which can be created by nature (Our Creator in my mind) which we cannot. Warfarin is one of many. There is an anti-breast cancer drug which is isolated from the needles of the Pacific Yew tree. Humans can't synthesize that to my knowledge. There are many natural products which we can use. It is sort of stupid to avoid several classes of products which could possibly have medicinal properties just because someone might use them recreationally. By that sort of warped logic, we should not even use alcohol to clean anything because some folks enjoy using another type of alcohol recreationally. Warped self serving logic.oldAG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:10 pm I stumbled on this thread from a re-direct from another shooting forum. The general discussion here is taking a somewhat different direction from the other site.
It is a bit depressing to see, again and again, reference to "the powers that be" saying that the medicinal properties of cannabis oils (Cannabidiol) need much more research before it can be contemplated that such valuable properties exist, or can be shown to be effective, if at all.
In the State of Israel there are Doctors of Medicine who have been researching those properties since the mid 1960's. Their research has been published, but it seems that too many people don't want to listen.
Growing "the crop" is managed with great care because the final product/s are specifically prescribed to individuals who require a script that is unique to them. The drug stores are able to dispense those scripts. A major hospital manages patients who (used to) have severe epilepsy that is now controlled very well. Other maladies are similarly managed well.
The truth is out there. It's a matter of educating the nay-sayers, or perhaps more importantly, slapping down "big pharma's" hold on the drug industry.
Take a bit of time and google this : - cannabidiol research israel
piller wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:21 pm By the way, don't bother trying to give me the natural is safe baloney. Rattlesnakes are as natural as can be. Jimsonweed is natural, and one product from it has medicinal use. If you try to use the plant recreationally, it might kill you. Not everything which is natural is safe for consumption.
I don't think most people really know what they would be willing to do to save the their families life or what you would do if you lived with chronic pain, thank God I only have one of those but again if you've never lived in chronic pain you just don't understand it or what you are willing to do to live with it. I'd rather not live the rest of my life on Fentanyl and you want to talk about things killing you....piller wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:21 pm By the way, don't bother trying to give me the natural is safe baloney. Rattlesnakes are as natural as can be. Jimsonweed is natural, and one product from it has medicinal use. If you try to use the plant recreationally, it might kill you. Not everything which is natural is safe for consumption.
Pillar, You are exactly right.piller wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:01 am A product from Jimsonweed gives relief from chronic pain from a damaged heart. I am for finding uses for natural products. Heck, rotten sweet clover hay gave us warfarin. I just don't accept the natural is safe BS. Some natural things are safe, and some natural things are deadly.